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Does anybody care about the elections?

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sobieskiThreads: 82 Posts: 1,143 Joined: Jun 1, 08 ♂	Jul 1, 10, 19:35 #1
It could be the tropical weather or the holiday season...but I have yet to meet the first friend/colleague here in Warsaw who genuinely cares about the Sunday elections. As for now for me only the papers and TV stations are talking about it (it is their job after all). The rest of the country is off to Mazuria or the seaside I think... Not good for BK though...

WroclawThreads: 77 Posts: 7,404 Joined: Apr 1, 06 ♂ [Moderator]	Jul 1, 10, 19:48 #2
sobieski: The rest of the country is off to Mazuria or the seaside I think. those who have the correct documents can vote in a place that isn't their home town.

frdThreads: 8 Posts: 1,956 Joined: Feb 3, 09 ♂	Jul 1, 10, 19:54 #3
Exactly my mom was in the city council to get these a few days ago she went on holidays and she's gonna vote in the mountains; o

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Edited by: sobieski Jul 1, 10, 19:56 #4

Yes I know this. In our local gmina here in Warsaw people were waiting for hours to get the documents to vote - presumably - on the seaside. But it is not a topic between people, as far as I can see.
Anyway, good. BK needs every Warsaw vote there is.
Also there are almost no billboards around. Could be because the candidates had little time to prepare themselves.
Yesterday was the big debate on TV - I read today about it in the papers -. I wonder who watched it to be honest. BBQ time I think it was for half the country.

warszawskiThreads: 60 Posts: 2,388 Joined: May 21, 10 ♂	Jul 1, 10, 21:18 #5
sobieski: Anyway, good. BK needs every Warsaw vote there is. I have a suspicion that J K will win. No facts or info just gut feeling.

enkiduThreads: 18 Posts: 983 Joined: Sep 23, 08 ♂	Jul 1, 10, 21:26 #6
warszawski: I have a suspicion that J K will win. No facts or info just gut feeling. I feel exactly the same. Funny clip:

frdThreads: 8 Posts: 1,956 Joined: Feb 3, 09 ♂	Jul 1, 10, 21:42 #7
warszawski: I have a suspicion that J K will win. No facts or info just gut feeling. Same here, I kind of see a similar situation to the previous presidential election when polls where showing clear victory of POs candidate in the end LK won.. and I do care about the election, Sunday's gonna be a rough day ;o

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Jul 1, 10, 22:48 #8
No, it's all about slogans. Polish political discussions are a grim affair. BK will need to increase his internet propaganda barrage as he is going downhill fast. Take sth that could be interesting and dull it down, then you have Polish politics.

frdThreads: 8 Posts: 1,956 Joined: Feb 3, 09 ♂	Jul 1, 10, 22:55 #9
Seanus: Take sth that could be interesting and dull it down, then you have Polish politics what do you mean? not enough affairs ; o? How "more interesting" should Polish politics be?

CrowThreads: 367 Posts: 7,316 Joined: Feb 14, 07 ♂ [Suspended]	Jul 1, 10, 22:59 #10
i care.

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Jul 1, 10, 23:00 #11

sobieski:

It could be the tropical weather or the holiday season...but I have yet to meet the first friend/colleague here in Warsaw who genuinely cares about the Sunday elections. As for now for me only the papers and TV stations are talking about it (it is their job after all). The rest of the country is off to Mazuria or the seaside I think... Not good for BK though...

People are so cynical about politicians these days.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Jul 1, 10, 23:01 #12
Komorowski doesn't even know his own manifesto as JK showed. I wonder what foreign policy plans JK has.

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Edited by: frd Jul 1, 10, 23:03 #13

Crow:

i care.

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sobieski:

Yesterday was the big debate on TV - I read today about it in the papers -. I wonder who watched it to be honest. BBQ time I think it was for half the country.

People read/watch it later, I haven't seen a single one live.. just read about them later on.. I have to agree that people rarely talk about the upcoming voting..

but I'd say it is more like a silance before storm

mafketisThreads: 17 Posts: 1,880 Joined: Mar 31, 08 ♂	Jul 1, 10, 23:04 #14
Seanus: I wonder what foreign policy plans JK has. **** off every other country for no good reason and bring about deep buyers' remorse as quickly as possible? (what I expect to happen should he win)

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Jul 1, 10, 23:21 #15
He seems to have changed his tune on Russia but the man is a two-faced so and so.

CrowThreads: 367 Posts: 7,316 Joined: Feb 14, 07 ♂ [Suspended]	Jul 1, 10, 23:55 #16
Poland is important Slavic power and those elections are very important for us Serbs

wildroverThreads: 180 Posts: 8,188 Joined: Jun 7, 07 ♂	Jul 2, 10, 02:27 #17
sobieski: Does anybody care about the elections? Nope... no matter who you vote for....the government always gets in....

pgtxThreads: 49 Posts: 6,327 Joined: Feb 14, 09 MEMBER ♀	Jul 2, 10, 02:32 #18
sobieski: Does anybody care about the elections? Komorowski will win, Kaczynski will lose... it's won't change anything, it all will be a bad decision whatever you do...

ZedThreads: - Posts: 304 Joined: May 25, 10 ♂	Jul 2, 10, 03:08 #19
I keep my fingers crossed. GO BK go!

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Jul 2, 10, 13:10 #20

For the first time in the current election campaign, due to end on Sunday, Kaczyński leads Komorowski according to a survey in Rzeczpospolita: Kaczyński - 49%, Komorowski - 47%. Four percent are still undecided, so it could be a very close race.
The same thing happened in 2005. Only just before the election did L. Kacyzński and PiS begin leading in the polls. And ultimately they won. So maybe there is still a chance for Kaczyński. True, the Polish president's powers are limited, but a Kaczyński win would help uphold the cherished democratic institution of checks and balances which prevents power monopolies. Otherwise the PO crowd, controlling the governemnt, Sejm, Senate, Presidency, varioos key institutions and much of the oopinion-moulding media would be able to force through with impunity legislation mainly serving the Brussels bureacracy, corporate tycoons, lobbyists, crafty wheeler-dealer types, shady businessmen and corrupt officialdom as well as assorted, yuppies, eggheads and snobs - the PO's main clientele.
Those who read Polish check out: http://www.rp.pl/temat/2.html

kondziorThreads: 2 Posts: 441 Joined: Oct 16, 09 ♂	Edited by: kondzior Jul 2, 10, 16:23 #21
Go Duck, go! You can make it!

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Jul 2, 10, 18:38 #22
The Duck is growing in stature and I think people just want to see Tusk struggle as JK will not make his job easy.

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Jul 2, 10, 18:49 #23

JK would have enough powers to make this country the fool of Europe. Bigoted, Radio Marija-sponsored. Thinks the world ends basically at Plac Wilsona. Has a paranoid vision of seeing enemies everywhere. Has a cherished tradition of double-dealing. Made backroom deals with Lepper and Giertych.
In all Western countries the president represents the country in the outside world. I do no think JK would show an image of a modern Poland.

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Jul 2, 10, 20:49 #24

sobieski:

JK would have enough powers to make this country the fool of Europe

I think that Komorwski will make Poland fool much easier since he is a completely incompetent person, he doesn't have basic knowledge,

he doesn't know the constitution (he proved it many times),

he didn't know that Norwey is not the member of EU,

he was using in campaign slogans about pullin out soldiers from Afganistan putting polish soldiers in a great risk saying such things in public (not suprising then that soldiers are so against Komorowski),

he says that Poland may not use its gas because the method of mining is destructive for the environment (while all the scientists say that this method is not being used for many years and mining of the gas doesn't pose any danger for the environment)

he doesn't distinguish Gross Domestic Product notion from budget deficit,

he doesn't distinguish notions of netto payer from netto beneficiary so he has probably no idea about EU politics

he and Tusk can't even lead the investigation of the biggest polish tragedy in Smolensk and death of the former president in Smolensk, they don't explain all the fishy facts around this crash so if they can't or don't want to do this so how can they lead the whole country properly?

For me all these facts and many others are the biggest shame for Poland not this that president is a catholic or want to clear Poland from former communist (who for example still gets extremely high pensions and have never taken responsibility for what they did in PRL).

JK won't be perfect president but I prefer the president who will fight for Poland's rights (even at the expense of liking form some country) from the president that will do whatever Russia or EU ask him just to be in good relations with them no matter if Poland may lose.

Polonius3Threads: 1,005 Posts: 4,834 Joined: Apr 11, 08 ♂	Jul 2, 10, 21:36 #25
Komorowski at one point in the campaign said: 'A few days ago we discussed pulling out of NATO with PM Donald Tusk.'

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