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AWESOME action of private detective K.Rutkowski in Norway!


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grubasThreads: 20
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On Tuesday night Polish private detective rescued 9 y/o Polish girl Nikola from Norwegian foster family.The girl was taken away from her Polish parents living in Norway by Norwegian CPS and given to Norwegian foster family on May 30th.Girl's parents contacted K.Rutkowski and asked for help with rescuing the child and he took up the challange. Nikola who was at all the time in a telephone contact with the detective escaped her prison thru the window with the help of Rutkowski's team which had to use climbing ropes to lower the girl down from her room.The whole Polish family was then immediatelly transported to Poland leaving all their belongings behind.I have to say I didn't like Rutkowski but now I think he's the Man.Up yours Norwegians,you won't be stealing Polish children!
Marynka11Threads: 8
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It wasn't AWESOME. It was illegal.
pgtxThreads: 49
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this girl must have been with a foster family for a reason, right? ...
it wasn't awesome...
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grubas:
rescuing the child

Kidnapping the child.
grubas:
The girl was taken away from her Polish parents living in Norway by Norwegian CPS

Never a decision taken lightly. I wonder what was so bad that the poor child had to be taken to a place of safety?
grubas:
thru the window with the help of Rutkowski's team which had to use climbing ropes to lower the girl down from her room.

He (and the parents) will probably be extradited for that, and rightly so. Now he's no longer a Samoobrona politician he doesn't have any immunity from prosecution in Poland.
grubas:
AWESOME

Irresponsible, illegal, foolish, cruel and dangerous. I hope the poor kid's going to be OK.
f stopThreads: 33
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Joined: Dec 9, 09  Pictures: 1 ♀ 		 Jun 30, 11, 19:20    #5
That is true, the summary is very one sided. What the parents were monsters? No other info..
But, it led me to this: "approximately 300 businessmen or their children were kidnapped
in Poland last year, with the current rate running at about one a day"
WTH??
http://pressmith.com/pdf/Kidnapped%20PM13_2003.pdf
WroclawThreads: 77
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f stop:
with the current rate running at about one a day


i think it's been like that for a number of years.
mafketisThreads: 17
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Joined: Mar 31, 08 ♂ 		 Jun 30, 11, 19:24    #7
The girl was in contact with her parents by phone and cooperated with Rutkowski and the Norwegian authorities can't give any particular reason for her being taken from her parents in the first place apart from seeming 'sad'.

Pending more information (which might well change things) I'm tenatively supportive of Rutkowski.

Unlike many here, I'm suspicious of unaccountable government agencies that take children from their parents for no clear reason.
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mafketis:
no clear reason.

this case isn't clear from both sides...
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pgtx:
this case isn't clear from both sides...

Maybe but its the childs parents.
JonnyMThreads: 16
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mafketis:
Unlike many here, I'm suspicious of unaccountable government agencies that take children from their parents for no clear reason.

In the UK there usually has to be either immediate danger to the child or a combination of several serious factors that make it undesirable for the child's well being if they have to remain in the family home. During the time in a place of safety, there is (almost) always contact between the child and the family. Contact is denied only in cases where the presence of family members is distressing to the child, and this, in my experience, is rare.
HarryThreads: 62
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I know from personal experience that very nearly killing a child due to multiply illegal and irresponsible actions is not considered sufficient by Polish courts to cut off unsupervised access to said child.

Please note: I have no children.
RobertLeeThreads: 12
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Joined: May 26, 11 ♂ 		 Jun 30, 11, 20:43    #12
Here you have the picture of that girl after rejoinig her parents:
http://wiadomosci.gazeta.pl/Wiadomosci/51,80273,9871762.html?i=0
Real sadness in her eyes, no wonder the Norwegians took her.

But seriously, I think that kidnapping immigrant children is a good deal for the Norwegians: the real parents have to pay 1000 Euro a month for their kidnapped child as long as it stays with foster Norwegian family.
I have read that Norwegians take away up to 3000 immigrant children per year. Screaming at the child may be interpreted as "psychological violence" and valid reason to take the child from her real family.

As to Mr Rutkowski - well, he made a fortune on people desperately needing help. IMO he was best portrayed in the brilliant Polish TV-series "Pitbull" - as a crook who is only interested in money.
Marynka11Threads: 8
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RobertLee:
http://wiadomosci.gazeta.pl/Wiadomosci/51,80273,9871762.html?i=0

Brrr, the mother looks like a praying mantis. (sorry, couldn't help myself)
frdThreads: 8
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The whole kidnapping aside Rutkowski is known to have been mingling with the wrong crowd. Despite his "required" detective ties and all I still feel bad after hearing about his part in the whole Olewnik case. Not to mention him being in Samoobrona... He sways in whatever direction the wind blows..
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Marynka11:
It wasn't AWESOME. It was illegal.


And I hope that the Norwegian special forces come to Poland and kidnap the parents/this "detective" to put them on trial.

Poland's not going to extradite them in a million years - so why not do as they did and take them to Norway in the dead of night?
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Marynka11:
Brrr, the mother looks like a praying mantis. (sorry, couldn't help myself)

A picture does tell a story...
mama
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delphiandomine:
And I hope that the Norwegian special forces come to Poland and kidnap the parents/this "detective" to put them on trial.

Ain't gonna happen dude but sure Norwegians look like fools now.
f stop:
A picture does tell a story...

The child looks happy.
rybnikThreads: 29
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f stop:
A picture does tell a story...

OMG! The body language between mother and daughter speaks volumes. The mother has alcoholic/drug-addict written all over her face. I've seen it hundreds of times.
RobertLeeThreads: 12
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f stop:
Marynka11:
Brrr, the mother looks like a praying mantis. (sorry, couldn't help myself)
A picture does tell a story...

The parents hired Rutkowski, who isn't cheap, left behind all their properties and life in Norway, just to have their daughter back.

delphiandomine:
And I hope that the Norwegian special forces come to Poland and kidnap the parents/this "detective" to put them on trial.

One could hope that Polish child services kidnap some child of some Norwegian diplomat, claiming that the kid looks sad.
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rybnik:
OMG! The body language between mother and daughter speaks volumes. The mother has alcoholic/drug-addict written all over her face. I've seen it hundreds of times.


you cant just look at people and see that, its called blood tests, the little girl looks happy
and thats the most important.. I am sure if she was abused in anyway she wouldnt be smiling
and she seems to be showing the camera that hey, I am with my mother now, the mother
looks pissed to me and I would be to if someone tried to take my child, there is no place to hide
from my wrath.. especially where my child is concerned.
WroclawThreads: 77
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RobertLee:
The parents hired Rutkowski, who isn't cheap, left behind all their properties and life in Norway, just to have their daughter back.


which gives the idea that if they took the case to court they would lose.

more to this than meets the eye.
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Wroclaw:
which gives the idea that if they took the case to court they would lose.

If there has to be a court case it has to be done in Poland.
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Patrycja19:
the little girl looks happy

the little girl might be happy now that she's got the attention of many well-meaning people. Or, she might think that now she has confirmation that her parents do love her.
And you can tell an alcohol/drug abuser just from looking at one.
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grubas:
If there has to be a court case it has to be done in Poland.


i meant why didn't they bring court action when they were in norway... where they all lived.
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f stop:
Or, she might think that now she has confirmation that her parents do love her.

What do you mean "she might think"?Some people sell their children for a $200,and these parents I am sure spent way more than that to be with their daughter not to mention that they left everything they had behind.How can you question their feelings?
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Wroclaw:
i meant why didn't they bring court action when they were in norway... where they all lived.

Because Norway is a country where screaming at kid is a valid reason to take it away from parents?
I believe in Rutkowski's marketing flair here - he probably researched the case, making sure he won't face humiliation but glory in front of the cameras.
Monia  Jul 1, 11, 00:13    #27
Wroclaw:
if they took the case to court they would lose.



Not necessarilly , bear in mind that they might be seperated from thier daughter for years during the court trials and appeals , maybe they chose the simpler and quicker way , although illegal . After reading the article it seems to me than Norvegian side committed a crime .
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grubas:
How can you question their feelings?

Oh, I can. I question everything. Let's just wait and see. :)
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RobertLee:
I believe in Rutkowski's marketing flair here - he probably researched the case, making sure he won't face humiliation but glory in front of the cameras.

And he indeed does now.They have overwhelming public opinion support behind them and nobody in Poland will dare to touch them.(in a sense of deportation or prosecution).
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grubas:
Ain't gonna happen dude but sure Norwegians look like fools now.


They're not going to appreciate looking like fools, that's for sure. I'd say that the parents in this case have almost certainly caused a lot of pain for Polish parents in Norway in a similar situation - Norway is almost certainly going to refuse to disclose the location of the child in future - unless the Polish courts cooperate.

RobertLee:
One could hope that Polish child services kidnap some child of some Norwegian diplomat, claiming that the kid looks sad.


You forget that diplomats are entitled to diplomatic protection.

Wroclaw:
which gives the idea that if they took the case to court they would lose.


What's exceptionally stupid is that they seem to think that they're safe now that they're in Poland. Given the circumstances, it wouldn't be particularly shocking if the Polish services take the child away in a couple of months.

Interesting article here - http://www.nrk.no/nyheter/verden/1.7696499

It essentially says that Rutkowski acted in cooperation with the Polish consul. If that's true, then Poland should be absolutely ashamed of herself.

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