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What is better for Poland being in the EU or being in a slavic union ?

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convexThreads: 47 Posts: 7,189 Joined: Nov 25, 09 ♂	Mar 7, 10, 16:30 #31
Mr Grunwald: Not close to Slavic languages I agree but not close to the Slavic culture? Hungarians are about as Slavic as Romanians :)

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Edited by: Crow Mar 7, 10, 17:59 #32

Mr Grunwald:

Well since Lithunians WANTS to be anything but not Polish

same as for Poles, Serbians (Racowie) done some services to Lithuanians, during Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. I am sure that Lithuanians won`t be problem

In eventual Slavic Union (let`s say- Sarmatian Confederation) Polish language as official wouldn`t mean that people are forced to be Polish. Polish language in Sarmatian Confederation would be same as English in USA, Canada, Australia or EU. we must choose one language as official for practical reasons (Polish is most suitable) but, heritage/culture of Sarmatian Confederation would be based on general Slavic/Western culture, as it is USA for example based on Anglo heritage or EU on Jewish, among others.

convex:

Hungarians are about as Slavic as Romanians :)

Hungarians are Hungarized Slavs, Romanians are Romanized Slavs

Mr Grunwald:

Not close to Slavic languages

Hungarian language has a lot of Slavic elements and roots of Hungarian culture are in Slavic heritage.

Mr Grunwald:

Well since Lithunians WANTS to be anything but not Polish it may be a bit difficult, also considering that Latvia and Estonia had Russian occupation under their boot, they don't like to hear anything about Slavic-Union or something. BUT weird enough ive found some pro-Polish sentiments from Latvia-Estonia since they know that Poland "always" have an anti-Russian stand in politics.

Sarmatian Confederation (Slavic Union) won`t provoke Russia and Russia won`t provoke us. We would deal with our idiotic politicians and Russians with their. We would show mutual respect and tolerance, for there is no alternative.

convexThreads: 47 Posts: 7,189 Joined: Nov 25, 09 ♂	Mar 7, 10, 18:03 #33
Crow: Hungarians are Hungarized Slavs, Romanians are Romanized Slavs Genetically, Serbians are closer to Albanians than Hungarians...

CrowThreads: 365 Posts: 7,192 Joined: Feb 14, 07 ♂	Mar 7, 10, 18:07 #34
convex: Genetically, Serbians are closer to Albanians than Hungarians... Albanian genetic samples aren`t comparable to Serbian. Albanian genetics is closest to Lebanese genes. That`s what genetic examination proved

HarryThreads: 59 Posts: 7,996 Joined: May 2, 07 ♂	Mar 7, 10, 18:14 #35
Crow: Albanian genetic samples aren`t comparable to Serbian. Damn right, genetically Serbians are Neanderthals.

convexThreads: 47 Posts: 7,189 Joined: Nov 25, 09 ♂	Mar 7, 10, 18:15 #36
Crow: Albanian genetic samples aren`t comparable to Serbian. Albanian genetics is closest to Lebanese genes. That`s what genetic examination proved John Novembre has done some excellent research into this. You might want to check it out. How do you classify a group of people as Slavic? Through genetics, or through culture?

CrowThreads: 365 Posts: 7,192 Joined: Feb 14, 07 ♂	Edited by: Crow Mar 7, 10, 18:18 #37
Harry: Damn right, genetically Serbians are Neanderthals. yes, remember that when you hear that Serbian army coming to London convex: How do you classify a group of people as Slavic? Through genetics, or through culture? both

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Mar 7, 10, 18:22 #38

convex:

How do you classify a group of people as Slavic? Through genetics, or through culture?

Good question, in fact I think this could easily be a thread on its own.
It opens up a whole debate about what it means to be a Slav or Polish or Polish American or a Polish immigrant or a non genetic Slav living in Poland and being influenced by the culture etc...
It is not a simple question but I would debate the contrary to any claim put forward, not because I want to play devil's advocate but because I'm an arse :p

TakaJedna	Mar 8, 10, 00:28 #39
Since when Lithuania, Latvia or Estonia are Slavic???????

Czarnkow1940Threads: 11 Posts: 167 Joined: Mar 5, 10 ♂	Mar 8, 10, 01:16 #40
TakaJedna: Since when Lithuania, Latvia or Estonia are Slavic??????? Since yesterday ;)

f stopThreads: 28 Posts: 2,681 Joined: Dec 9, 09 ♀	Mar 8, 10, 03:53 #41
convex: John Novembre has done some excellent research into this. that looks like work

CrowThreads: 365 Posts: 7,192 Joined: Feb 14, 07 ♂	Mar 8, 10, 05:26 #42
Czarnkow1940: Since yesterday ;) even if we disregard discussion on their origin, they are Slavic by their cultural background but never mind even that,.... what is most important for them in this moment, Slavija with Poland as leading force is the only thing that can protect them in a world that globalize. Sarmatian Confederation is their/our only salvation. That is Serbian message to them

Czarnkow1940Threads: 11 Posts: 167 Joined: Mar 5, 10 ♂	Mar 8, 10, 05:34 #43
Crow: Sarmatian Confederation is their/our only salvation. Its against the interests of the West I dout they would allow it to happen

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Edited by: Crow Mar 8, 10, 06:24 #44

Czarnkow1940:

Its against the interests of the West I dout they would allow it to happen

you mean its against interests of `false west` and in interest of true West/Slavs.

Of course, THEY would complaint. Expect THEM to compliant. Just looking how THEY desperately populating mujaheedines on Balkan.

Freedom is precious thing. Sarmatian Confederation would be result of revolt, after numerous enslaved Slavs rebel.

Revolt already started,... just look how political scenes inside of Slavic countries beginning to crumble, how are Slavic elites divided because of that what happening to Serbs, just spot how are other Slavs upset because of obvious injustice to their Serbian kin Slavic brethren, see how public in Slavic countries react on violation of borders of Slavija.

Things are in the move, mega trends telling that to us.

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Edited by: Exiled Mar 8, 10, 10:06 #45

Crow:

Albanian genetics is closest to Lebanese genes.

I don't see any similarity between albos and the glorious Phoinices from which today's Lebanese are straight descendants.I firmly believe Albanians came from Caucasus in the 11th century(to be more precise they were invited by Byzantines as soldiers) which is a theory supported by serbian historians and very likely since
1.albanian language is very close to chcechnyan and this of Dagestan
2.There are almost no words of illyric origin in albanian language(which is strange given the theory of Albanian nationalists that Albos are straight descendants of ancient illyrians-unfortunately for them greek historians have described illyrian language and its translations although it was not a written one)
3.Albanians are called by Turks Arnauts which means in turkish the ones who never got back,probably refering to their immigration from Caucasus and that Albanians never got back(to Caucasus) meaning that turkish tribes preserved a rememberance of Albanians while they were located in Caucasus.

Czarnkow1940Threads: 11 Posts: 167 Joined: Mar 5, 10 ♂	Mar 8, 10, 10:11 #46
Exiled: Just looking how THEY desperately populating mujaheedines on Balkan. There no hope for the south Slavs theres already too many muslims.

ExiledThreads: 5 Posts: 729 Joined: Jan 17, 10 ♂	Mar 8, 10, 10:13 #47
South Slavs have a huge potential,unfortunately they are in latent condition like sleeping.

Czarnkow1940Threads: 11 Posts: 167 Joined: Mar 5, 10 ♂	Apr 21, 10, 12:20 #48
PLAT: I want Poland to go down the toilet. its a bad sore spot shoud cease to exist and RUSSIA should swallow it up. Russia is already in toilet why would Poland want to join them ;)

CrowThreads: 365 Posts: 7,192 Joined: Feb 14, 07 ♂	Apr 21, 10, 13:24 #49
if we can imagine some vast Slavic Confederation rich with all kind of natural resources, fully operational and modern, democratic, free market economically oriented, in balance with nature and its original Slavic heritage, spirituality and culture,... we can easily conclude that nothing on this Earth can offer more to Poland then it can that eventual Slavic Confederation

kondziorThreads: 2 Posts: 400 Joined: Oct 16, 09 ♂	Apr 21, 10, 20:11 #50
Crow: ...imagine rich Slavic Confederation... That's the problem, man. I cannot imagine that. **** poor, with delusions of garandour, sure. Rich, no way. Call me shallow if you will, but money is much more important for me then some ancient affairs. IMHO Poland needs focus on becoming rich now. First things first. Then, we can thing of other, less important matters.

Miguel ColombiaThreads: 3 Posts: 711 Joined: Apr 20, 10 ♂	Apr 21, 10, 20:42 #51
kondzior: IMHO Poland needs focus on becoming rich now. What for? Rich people aren´t happy. Rich countries aren´t perfect. With Western economies in free fall, I don´t think of Poland as a rich country anytime soon.

kondziorThreads: 2 Posts: 400 Joined: Oct 16, 09 ♂	Apr 21, 10, 20:53 #52
Poor countries are even less perfect (more imperfect?) And define "soon" I, for one, think that Poland can become rich in about one hundred years or so. If Russians wont invade us, that is...

CrowThreads: 365 Posts: 7,192 Joined: Feb 14, 07 ♂	Apr 21, 10, 22:54 #53
kondzior so, you are Eurabian nice to meet you. I am Slavic

smurfThreads: 40 Posts: 580 Joined: Sep 8, 09 ♂	Apr 21, 10, 22:57 #54
errr..... whats a Slavic Union? Ain't at least 2 of the countries you mentioned Baltic? We have a saying where I'm from....Go Back To Russia

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Apr 21, 10, 23:01 #55

kondzior:

I, for one, think that Poland can become rich in about one hundred years or so. If Russians wont invade us, that is...

I from a foreigners point of view think that the country has immense potential.

Crow:

nice to meet you. I am Slavic

And ofcourse that makes you better...

smurf:

Ain't at least 2 of the countries you mentioned Baltic?

Yes they are, but for some idiots, it doesn't matter.

kondziorThreads: 2 Posts: 400 Joined: Oct 16, 09 ♂	Apr 21, 10, 23:04 #56
Crow Nah, I am Polish. Hi, nice to meet you too.

CrowThreads: 365 Posts: 7,192 Joined: Feb 14, 07 ♂	Edited by: Crow Apr 21, 10, 23:04 #57
Raj_ryder: And ofcourse that makes you better... i didn`t say that please, don`t reduce level of discussion to your level kondzior: I am Polish. Hi, nice to meet you too. ok. Then you aren`t Eurabian

Raj_ryderThreads: 16 Posts: 178 Joined: Jan 15, 09 ♂	Apr 21, 10, 23:08 #58
Crow: i didn`t say that Ok so what you said is that moment you introduce yourself to someone, you say,"hi, i am slavic". brilliant.

CrowThreads: 365 Posts: 7,192 Joined: Feb 14, 07 ♂	Edited by: Crow Apr 21, 10, 23:10 #59
Raj_ryder: brilliant. no comment smurf: whats a Slavic Union? its idea in erection

Miguel ColombiaThreads: 3 Posts: 711 Joined: Apr 20, 10 ♂	Apr 22, 10, 00:46 #60
Crow: . Then you aren`t Eurabian Isn´t that beautiful?

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