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Edited by: SeanBM  Jul 1, 11, 22:00    #61
€80 billion for Poland new EU budget

Torq:
Poland is ready to suffer for the greater common good of Europe, as she always was.


Suffering €80 billion, you poor thing ;)



How is it in all this debate, non have provided how much Poland was able to spend of the €67,28 billion?
That would be interesting.

Poland will receive 67,28 billion Euro from European Union for the years 2007-2013.

I see this money being spent everywhere, infrastructure and businesses alike, I know several people who have received hefty grants to expand their businesses and it's working.

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 Jul 1, 11, 22:04    #62
Tusk accuses European leaders of hypocrisy http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jul/01/polish-pm-european-leaders -hypocrisy
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 Jul 1, 11, 22:09    #63
Grzegorz_:
Butt, you've been totally brainwashed by EUnuchs.

You do not even have an idea what Europe as a common idea means.
enderThreads: 13
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 Jul 1, 11, 22:14    #64
sobieski:
You do not even have an idea what Europe as a common idea means.

How do you know you are not European.
alexw68  Jul 1, 11, 22:28    #65
PennBoy:
Tusk accuses European leaders of hypocrisy http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jul/01/polish-pm-european-leaders -hypocrisy

Bloody hell. That is statesmanly stuff. Hugely impressive diagnosis. Who'd have thought it?

(The message is far too nuanced for the PiS lot to even understand, let alone critique. It is genuinely aimed at a pan-European audience, and not the opposition back home. Respec' to the Don!)

PS in a recent poll 80% of Poles supported EU membership. Now try and match that with Polish political parties' share of the vote and their pronouncements on Europe. Messy, isn't it?
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Edited by: Amathyst  Jul 1, 11, 22:28    #66
Nojas:
That budget is highly likely to be voted down by Sweden, UK, Denmark and Holland. At least UK and Sweden is from what I have read angry about it. Sweden has for years fighting to stop the subsidies of agriculture, and now also threats to stop the budget since it doesn't stop big payouts for farmers. Unfortunatly political threats usually just stop at that, threatening.

Sweden, UK, Denmark is also angry because we are all proposed to pay even more in the new budget. Plus of course the UK would be severely damaged if the EU-taxation for financial transactions comes through, and of course for all EU-countries if the EU-VAT is also implemented. And in general, the swedish ministers (who has done a good job during the crisis, of which we have seen very little in Sweden) thinks that it is not right to up the EU-budget with 5% when people in europe is struggling to get a job and big cuts in public spending is being done in almost all countries. I fully agree with that. It's disgusting, but what to expect from incompetent old maoists like Barrosso?


Oh we are angry about it....1,000s of jobs are being axed and services cut back..libraries shut down and hospitals struggling because inflationary costs are not being met..pensions being attacked..We are damaging ourselves day by day to ensure poorer nations PROSPER! WHY! The EEC worked, the EU does not! The protests in the last days are a start, the British public have had enough of that Barrosso he is a dirty self-severing Portuguese peasant who shouldnt be allowed a voice since his country is phukkin bankrupt! No wonder he wants more money from us!!!!!!!!!!

GET US OUT OF THIS MADNESS...
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 Jul 2, 11, 01:29    #67
Grzegorz_:
They would gain much more If there was free market instead of CAP.


Yes, and you'd see the Polish countryside fall even further behind. It's in a mess as it is (with most of the wealth coming from outside, rather than inside) - a free market would see the cities prosper while the 2 million peasants would...well...see their land bought for peanuts by big farmers.

Grzegorz_:
Because as we all now, before 1st May 2004 Polish farmers used to starve to death daily.


The sheer poverty in the countryside during the 1990's is well documented. Even today, those without external sources of cash are doing pretty damn badly.
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 Jul 2, 11, 01:55    #68
€80 billion isn't that much for a country like Poland.... Greece could have told you that with their politicians' NOM NOM NOM
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 Jul 3, 11, 12:54    #69
JonnyM:
More likely lose out badly since farming here isn't exactly efficient.


It is much more efficient than in western europe. Otherwise, how else would they be so successful on the common market despite being discriminated by EU with regard to the level of subsidies ?

JonnyM:
One of the sillier things I've read here


I'm not surprised that you are not able to see long term effects of such investments... I will try to help you... Would building TGV in Somalia (paid by EU, UN...) really help people living there, would that develop the country ?

sobieski:
You do not even have an idea what Europe as a common idea means.


Please educate me, should be fun.

delphiandomine:
a free market would see the cities prosper while the 2 million peasants would...well...see their land bought for peanuts by big farmers.


And what the hell would be wrong with that !??? LOL ! This is exactly what I've been saying, EU slow down development of Poland. It freezes the overemployment in farming instead of letting it disappear naturally - something what happened in all modern countries decades ago.
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 Jul 3, 11, 18:34    #70
Grzegorz_:
It is much more efficient than in western europe. Otherwise, how else would they be so successful on the common market despite being discriminated by EU with regard to the level of subsidies ?


Uh, only the big producers are successful - and that's because prices are lower.

Small producers? Forget about it - they're selling to local markets only, if at all. As for "discriminated against" - Poland agreed to it as part of the accession deal.

Grzegorz_:
Please educate me, should be fun.


It means you don't have to queue your sorry ass on the German border for several hours.

Grzegorz_:
And what the hell would be wrong with that !??? LOL ! This is exactly what I've been saying, EU slow down development of Poland. It freezes the overemployment in farming instead of letting it disappear naturally - something what happened in all modern countries decades ago.


Uh - what are you going to do with the inevitable 1.5 million unemployed then?
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 Jul 3, 11, 19:01    #71
I've just heard that the figure is to be 125b EURO. Buzek no doubt pulling some strings ;)


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