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SeanusThreads: 22
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Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂ 		 Mar 11, 10, 23:49    #91
Nasser Oric carried out the first Srebrenica. He really made the Serbs angry with what he did and there was bound to be revenge. I'm not saying that two wrongs make a right, just that I'd understand if his henchmen mutilated my family.
CrowThreads: 365
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Joined: Feb 14, 07 Pictures: 1 ♂ 		 Mar 12, 10, 00:04    #92
rock:
you can not imagine to the hate you manage to raise.

that hate on everything what is Serbian exist since ottoman Turks invaded Serbian lands on Balkan and then polluted souls of Islamized Serbs with the seed of evil

How i see things, it is protagonists of Islam who chooses to be enemy, not the Serbs. Serbs didn`t choose their role but, my people shall stand to the challenge.

Freedom to Slavija! Down with invaders!
Filios1Threads: 15
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Joined: Nov 13, 07 ♂ 		 Mar 12, 10, 00:43    #93
rock:
You are a big liar Crow. Forget about Mujas, ask Bosnian muslims ( 2.000.000 remained, 200.000 killed) what they think about Serbs.

lol, rock, do you really think you are fooling someone?
Why do you say forget mujas? Mujas were operating amongst these so called 'peaceful' Bosnian Muslims, who themselves made up a large contingent of armed militia aimed at eradicating Serb families. Those who commited crimes, righlty got pay back from our good friend Ratko.
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Joined: Dec 9, 09 Pictures: 1 ♀ 		 Mar 12, 10, 01:19    #94
Crow:
Serbs didn`t choose their role but,

I remember reading that some Serbs did take on the Muslim religion way back, in order to survive. true?
SeanusThreads: 22
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Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂ 		Edited by: Seanus  Mar 12, 10, 08:01    #95
What I will say is that they shouldn't have allowed innocent civilians to become embroiled to the extent to which they did. Many Sarajevans lost their lives by forcibly being dragged into the conflict. The carnage was grotesque at times! Crow, you have to admit that Serbian snipers were a bit OTT there. I understand 'drastic times, drastic measures' but how were residents of Sarajevo supposed to live under such oppressive conditions?

I never want to see the day that Warsaw becomes that way.

I saw many Muslim folk in that city and they were thoroughly decent folk, of course. Izetbegovic with his Caliphate and Tudjman/Milosevic with Kakadardevo deserve to rot for causing the misery that they did.
CrowThreads: 365
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Joined: Feb 14, 07 Pictures: 1 ♂ 		Edited by: Crow  Mar 12, 10, 08:59    #96
f stop:
I remember reading that some Serbs did take on the Muslim religion way back, in order to survive. true?

unfortunately, its true. During occupation, Turks were cruel savages and some of our people in fear took Islam.

When Islamization penetrated on Serbian lands, it went thru Kosovo, Metohija, Rashka (known in medieval Poland as Ras- that`s why name of Racowie for Serbs in Poland), Bosnia and Herzegovina.

But, what i can confirm a lot of Serbs returned to Christianianty after Turks were expeled (200 years ago) and even today, in every new day we have rapports how our people returning to Christian way. For example, internationaly famous filmmaker Emir Kusturica returned from Islam and converted to Christian Orthodox way, as he said: `because that was religion of his ancestors before they were forced to take Islam due to Turkish occupation`. In his family even lived memory on his `SLAVA day` while they were Christians (SLAVA- Saint protector celebration- old Slavic pre Christian custom preserved Christianized among Orthodox Balkan Serbs). So, he even continued to celebrate his SLAVA day (St. George's Day).

Nemanja (Emir) Kusturica
Kusturica
Nemanja (formerly Emir) Kusturica - internationaly famous filmmaker

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emir_Kusturica

On Đurđevdan (St. George's Day) in 2005 Emir was baptised into the Serbian Orthodox Church as Nemanja Kusturica in Savina monastery near Herceg Novi, Montenegro. To his critics who considered this the final betrayal of his Bosnian Muslim roots, he replied that: "My father was an atheist and he always described himself as a Serb. OK, maybe we were Muslim for 250 years, but we were Orthodox before that and deep down we were always Serbs, religion cannot change that. We only became Muslims to survive the Turks."

At the 2007 parliamentary elections he gave indirect support to Prime Minister Vojislav Koštunica and his center-right Democratic Party of Serbia. In 2007, he also supported Serbian campaign Solidarity - Kosovo is Serbia, a campaign against the unilateral separation of Serbian province of Kosovo.

He is currently living in Drvengrad, Serbia, the village he had built for his film Life Is a Miracle.

So, while people in western Europe more and more seek truth in Islam, islamized Serbs escaping from that evil and returning to Christianity and their old Slavic family custom- SLAVA.

God is good to Serbs! Long live Slavija, our Mother, our only option!
mafketisThreads: 15
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Joined: Mar 31, 08 ♂ 		 Mar 12, 10, 13:34    #97
Crow:
OK, maybe we were Muslim for 250 years, but we were Orthodox before that and deep down we were always Serbs, religion cannot change that. We only became Muslims to survive the Turks."

Okay, of course anybody has the right to change religions for any reason, but that has to be the stupidest reason I've ever heard.

He doesn't want to be identified as a Muslim? Fine. But IMO it's dumb to change to a religion just because you had some ancestors with the same religion. Is there any indication that he actually believes any of the principles of (Orthodox) Christianity? If he actually believes in Christian principles then wonderful and more power to him, but I find membership in a religion as an expression of group solidarity to be dumb and/or repulsive.
SeanusThreads: 22
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Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂ 		 Mar 12, 10, 13:36    #98
Kusturica looks like the Balkans very own Billy Connolly :) Crow, be glad that you have a united form of Christianity in Serbia. In Scotland and in NI, there are fractious schisms which undermine the whole religion, based largely on misunderstandings and a lack of theological grounding.

I haven't heard any Islam talkers today in Poland ;) ;)
z_dariusThreads: 22
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Joined: Oct 18, 07 ♂ 		 Mar 12, 10, 14:57    #99
rock:
I never support Arab influence in Bosnia. Bosnia learned islam from Turks and I hope they will follow our way of living. Secular and muslim at the same time.
rockThreads: 5
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Joined: Jun 13, 08 ♂ 		Edited by: rock  Mar 12, 10, 17:32    #100
f stop:
I remember reading that some Serbs did take on the Muslim religion way back, in order to survive. true?

No, they are not.

If it were so, you could find very few christains in the Balkans. Turks ruled Balkans for 500 years and for most of the Turks it is still motherland like Anatolia. Millions of Turks settled in Bulgaria, Greece, ex-Yugoslavia and Romania and Balkans became a motherland.

At the end of 19th century and the first quarter of 20th century we lost our lands. More than 1.000.000 Turk were killed by christains during these process. None of the Europeans are talking about this genocide now. Some of the Turks are still living in these countries.
Some of them mixed with Bosniaks and Albanians and became Bosniak and Albanian.

Islamization process in the Balkans was volunteerily happened.

Bosniaks were not orthodox like this showmen Custurica says. They were BOGOMILS who were considered as heretical by Serbs and Greeks. If you are interested then read about Bogomils. When Turks came they convert to islam as they do not have classical christain belief.

Read this info carefully pls.


The Bogomils spread westwards and settled first in Serbia; but at the end of the 12th century Stefan Nemanja, king of Serbia, burned them, persecuted them and expelled them from the country. Large numbers took refuge in Bosnia, where they were known under the name of Patarenes or Patareni. There, they were also brought into connection with the indigenous Bosnian Church, which was also considered heretical by the Pope and Byzantines, but was not actually Bogomil in nature. From Bosnia, their influence extended into Italy (Piedmont). The Hungarians undertook many crusades against the heretics in Bosnia, but towards the close of the 15th century, the conquest of that country by the Turks put an end to their persecution. It is alleged that a large number of the Bosnian Paterenes, and especially the nobles, embraced Islam. Few or no remnants of Bogomilism have survived in Bosnia.
sami  Mar 12, 10, 21:25    #101
The Fastest Growing Religion in the World
youtube.com/watch?v=ElysVtm0ZLc&feature=related
ArienThreads: 6
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Joined: Oct 20, 08 ♂ 		Edited by: Arien  Mar 12, 10, 21:27    #102
sami:
The Fastest Growing Religion in the World

..amongst retards. (Seriously, does this look like an Islam forum to you?)

;)
CrowThreads: 365
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Joined: Feb 14, 07 Pictures: 1 ♂ 		Edited by: Crow  Mar 12, 10, 21:46    #103
rock:
for most of the Turks it is still motherland like Anatolia.

why you humiliate yourself

rock:
Bosniaks were not orthodox like this showmen Custurica says. They were BOGOMILS who were considered as heretical by Serbs and Greeks. If you are interested then read about Bogomils. When Turks came they convert to islam as they do not have classical christain belief.

you are crazy. When Turks came in Bosnia, there were not any Bosniaks (Bosniak nation was invented by Turks and considered Serbs who accepted Islam). Only Bosnian population in that time were Serbs. Bosna was just one of many Serbian lands on Balkan. Polish Queen Jadwiga originate from that time Bosnian Serbs of Kotromanic house that were connected with Nemanjic Imperial dynasty

But, it would be correct to say that among Bosnian population there were Serbs who were Bogomils.

and! for your information, little lesson from Serbian medieval history... many of those Serbs Bogomils who lived in Bosnia (Bosna) were not originally Serbs from Bosnia but Serbs from Rashka (Ras), from Kosovo, from Sumadija. It is because that time Bosna had semi-autnonmous status among Serbian lands and when Tzar Dushan the Mighty of Nemanjic`s (originally Catholics but after problems with Vatican in case with limitations of their power they converted to Orthodoxy) started to deal with Bogomilism (it was forbid to spread Bogomilism), most of Serbs that were Bogomiles escaped and/or was expelled to Bosnia and it was allowed them to stay there by local rulers. So, originally, bearers of Bogomilism in Bosnia were Serbs who migrated from central Serbian lands, not the Bosnian Serbs. Most of Bosnian Serbs were Orthodox with some percent of Catholics.

Now rock, take mirror and see yourself in your stupidity.
zolllaThreads: 1
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Joined: Sep 7, 08 ♂ 		 Mar 12, 10, 22:02    #104
jeden :

zollla is probably from muslim country, he is angry becouse, polish people don`t like him... Everybody call him Kebab...


im not from arabic countrys :) guess u will be know :)
enkiduThreads: 18
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Joined: Sep 23, 08 ♂ 		 Mar 12, 10, 22:05    #105
Geees...If we start with Bogomils, we end up discussing a Holy Grail. C'mon.
CrowThreads: 365
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sami:
The Fastest Growing Religion in the World

problem exist. Anyway, Slavic Confederation would be shelter to Slavs, our ultimate tower and receipt for progress.
king polkagamon  Mar 12, 10, 22:44    #107
Basically we solved the problem with the islamized Greeks by sending them to Turkey where they belong.
enkiduThreads: 18
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Crow:
Slavic Confederation would be shelter to Slavs

Ekhm... You are aware the fact that such thing as Slavic Confederation doesn't exist, don't you?
Also that there is a lot of Slavs (like Czechs) that don't give a damn about the religion, right?
CrowThreads: 365
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Joined: Feb 14, 07 Pictures: 1 ♂ 		 Mar 12, 10, 23:17    #109
enkidu:
Ekhm... You are aware the fact that such thing as Slavic Confederation doesn't exist, don't you?

that`s why i said `would be`

enkidu:
Also that there is a lot of Slavs (like Czechs) that don't give a damn about the religion, right?

Czechs aren`t problem
SeanusThreads: 22
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Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂ 		 Mar 12, 10, 23:31    #110
Czechs are fairly religious, just less so than Poles. One of my students is Czech and he was quite frank with his commentary on Catholicism. A German I know thinks similarly to him.

Taking over? I can't imagine Sharia Law here at all.
CrowThreads: 365
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Joined: Feb 14, 07 Pictures: 1 ♂ 		Edited by: Crow  Mar 13, 10, 00:29    #111
Czechs >>>

same as Polish public, Czech public raised for Serbs and because of situation on Balkan Czechs recognized problem.



After Czech government recognized Kosovo, pro-Serbian protest started with small group of people and turned into massive demonstrations on the streets of Prague >>>



rumors about agony of Racowie alarmed Slavic West. Combined Islamic-EU assault awaken our Slavic brothers and sisters!

Our blood for Slavija! For life of Slavija! For light of Slavija!
SeanusThreads: 22
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Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂ 		 Mar 13, 10, 00:33    #112
Crow, were Serbian villagers taken by storm in 1991? It seems to me that Oric and Mujas just crept up and decimated them. Poles would raise the alarm bells very quick to eradicate the threat.
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Joined: Dec 16, 08 ♂ 		 Mar 13, 10, 02:40    #113
Seanus:
Crow, were Serbian villagers taken by storm in 1991? It seems to me that Oric and Mujas just crept up and decimated them. Poles would raise the alarm bells very quick to eradicate the threat.

You must remember that in 1991 there were still troops in Poland (Soviet ones I think I can't recall when they left)
Also it had freshly got herself freedom
I don't think Polish public could do much about it
segan  Mar 13, 10, 09:35    #114
check out this web site...if care is not taken poland will become as the situation in nigeria where muslems(islamist extreemist) attackes christains..
check out this web site
Type the web site on your browser type 3w's thendont anglicandioceseofjos.org/dogo
since i cant type the web site directly here
segan  Mar 13, 10, 09:37    #115
sorrry type 3w's then dot anglicandioceseofjos.org/dogo
segan  Mar 13, 10, 09:44    #116
3w's.anglicandioceseofjos.org/dogo.html



this is it
AmathystThreads: 30
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Joined: Nov 10, 06 Pictures: 1 ♀ 		 Mar 13, 10, 10:16    #117
rock:
Islamization process in the Balkans was volunteerily happened.

Im sure those that refussed to become muslims voluneteerily died?

rock:
At the end of 19th century and the first quarter of 20th century we lost our lands.

No, what happened is you were thrown out, they were not YOUR lands, you forcibly took it from others, its called occupation....What was left was a legacy of divided people based on religion caused by muslims.

segan:
check out this web site...if care is not taken poland will become as the situation in nigeria where muslems(islamist extreemist) attackes christains..

You may also like to note that they are attacking each other, Chrisitians have murdered musliims...but these savages dont need an excuse, I also cant really see rampaging Poles going from village to village with machetties killing babies. By the way these "Christians" in nigeria still brand children witches...they are not (in my book) true Christians, they are as fanatic as the muslims, if not worse!

http://www.mg.co.za/article/2009-03-01-nigerian-children-branded-as-wi tches-in-deadly-purge
king polkagamon  Mar 13, 10, 10:25    #118
Islamization in Balkans did not happen voluntirily.What happened was the following:If you were Christian you had to pay 10% of your income as a tax to the sultan.If you were a Muslim you had to pay no tax.So the christian population had a financial motivation to become Muslim and many(especially the poorest) surrendered.
After these areas were liberated many returned to Christianity again and the rest was deported.
mephiasThreads: 15
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Amathyst:
Im sure those that refussed to become muslims voluneteerily died?

king polkagamon:
What happened was the following:If you were Christian you had to pay 10% of your income as a tax to the sultan.

Amathyst As you can see it is not what happened.

Amathyst:
No, what happened is you were thrown out, they were not YOUR lands

Not so convincing an English say this. You were the master of occupation in dirtiest way.

Amathyst:
divided people based on religion caused by muslims

This more seems to be a fanatic christian view.

Amathyst:
they are not (in my book) true Christians,

This is something new.
DariuszTelkaThreads: 6
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Joined: Oct 4, 09 ♂ 		 Mar 13, 10, 13:04    #120
Amathyst:
but these savages dont need an excuse, I also cant really see rampaging Poles going from village to village with machetties killing babies. By the way these "Christians" in nigeria still brand children witches...they are not (in my book) true Christians, they are as fanatic as the muslims, if not worse!

What do you expect from a people that on the "wealth of nations" list ranks on an IQ of 67, and when we know that "mental retardation", starts at an IQ of 70 and downwards....then we can understand how "people" can do these things.

People might say, oh those tests are bias and you can't judge people by something made by europeans/americans. But I say otherwise. Just look at the country, the poverty, the corruption, the violence. It all ties toghether. Why is there no country in Europe that have the same problems as Nigeria..

The indiginous people of Zimbabwe, the breadbasket of Africa when whites were allowed to own farms, have an IQ of 66, even lower than the Nigerians, and there people kill elephants to survive.

Animal lovers, beware of strong pictures;

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1257292/The-Mail-apo logises-readers-pictures-speak-eloquently-politician-desperate-plight- starving-people-Zimbabwe.html

Dariusz
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