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So, what people here think about this?

few words about city

Warsaw

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw

Warsaw (Polish: Warszawa [varˈʂava] is the capital and largest city of Poland. It is located on the Vistula River roughly 370 kilometers (230 mi) from both the Baltic Sea coast and the Carpathian Mountains. Its population as of 2009 was estimated at 1,709,781, and the Warsaw metropolitan area at approximately 2,785,000. The city area is 516.9 square kilometers (199.6 sq mi), with an agglomeration of 6,100.43 square kilometers (2,355.4 sq mi) (Warsaw Metro Area – Obszar Metropolitalny Warszawy).

flag of Warsaw
Warsaw Coat of arms
Warsaw
PlasticPoleThreads: 10
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I believe there's a good chance it will happen, Crow.
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PlasticPole:
I believe there's a good chance it will happen, Crow.

me too

So, voice from Serbia goes for Warsaw ;)
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Do you really think Russia would allow such power to go to Poland, Crowie?
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Seanus:
Do you really think Russia would allow such power to go to Poland, Crowie?

of course. It would be best balance of power
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If Poland's government keep doing such good job in Polish-Ukrainian relations, many Ukrainian votes would go for Warsaw.
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Russia is not so easy to convince crow ...
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The stumbling block is and always will be Russia, Crow. Poland showed solidarity with the Baltic states and Ukraine and Belarus so they will huddle closer.
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slo:
If Poland's government keep doing such good job in Polish-Ukrainian relations, many Ukrainian votes would go for Warsaw.

last weak i had an opportunity to talk with one of my cooperants, director of one Slovak company in Serbia. Man traveled a lot of and you wouldn`t believe how he has interesting thinking. He spent some time in Moscow, Prague, Krakow, etc important Slavic towns

in our talks, during lunch, Pan-Slavic topic we reached when my friend mentioned how is interesting to him that `Polish bussines people has high interest for Serbian situation` and `that Poles very respect Serbs`. Next what he mentioned was that `Serbs shouldn`t that hard resist to EU no matter all what EU done to us, because there are strong Slavic block inside of EU and Slavs already organize themselves.` On that i added: `well, maybe we can form some Slavic association in EU for some balance of interests`. He simple said: `yes, things go in that dirrection`.

i was fascinated, felt like in some kandid camera. Man talks to me like that he escaped from some Pan-Slavic forum or from Polishforums ;). Anyway, man was real. Probably, we attract people and situations that we deserve to attract. Its the law of attraction


just for the info for those who might be interested >>>

other things that we mentioned in case with Slavic situation was: Kragujevac town in Serbia in case with German atrocities on Serbians during WWII (Germans killed 7000 man, woman and children/schoolchildren); Svatopluk`s Great Moravia and fact that in that time Slovaks and Serbs practicaly lived in one state- from Slovakian Morava River to the Serbian Great Morava River; we also mentioned Polish intervention at Wienna when Sobieski reppeled Turkish invasion; Slovak-Czech situation; Slovak-Czech/Serbian linguistic similarities/differences;
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I would vote for London.
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Lodz_The_Boat:
Russia is not so easy to convince crow ...

Poland should rely on Serbians when it comes to Russia, instead to trust to France, Britain, Germany or USA and blindely follow their foreign-pollitical agendas

don`t forget that Poland won its independance (after WWI) just after played on Serbian card

time means:
I would vote for London.

its not resonable

London would for sure try to prevent formation of any Slavic unity and so, it would be sooner or later target of Slavic wrath

what i want to tell you, forget about London
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Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂ 		 Sep 20, 09, 15:05    #12
"Poland should rely on Serbians when it comes to Russia". What exactly does that mean, Crow? Russia is your friend but has stood by and watched as some of the worst atrocities have unfolded on Serbian territory. I don't think normal Serbian villagers who have lost family members feel such respect for Russia.
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Seanus:
I don't think normal Serbian villagers who have lost family members feel such respect for Russia.

Don't be so idiotic Seanus. Why they shouldn't? Was it Russia who bombed Belgrade in 90-th, was it Russia who acknowledged Kosovo? I bet that they feel hatered against you instead!
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Russia was weak when it came to Kosovo. Subservient to America. Against me? When I have spoken against the attacks of Oric&co!?

You are friends when you want to be. Friends don't cut off the gas like Gasprom did. Friends stick to their principles.
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Seanus:
Friends don't cut off the gas like Gasprom did. Friends stick to their principles.

Who said that we are friends? As for me, I think that all these minor states are just riffraff.
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Serbia and Russia are known as friends. Minor states? States are as big or as small as they are and that's that. Not everyone wants to be a land grabbing, imperialistic state like Russia.

Nevermind, your vodka is good. I'm sure it helps you to nurse your wounds after a minor state, Chechnya, won a war with you.
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Seanus:
Minor states? States are as big or as small as they are and that's that. Not everyone wants to be a land grabbing, imperialistic state like Russia.

Yeah, exactly minor or inferior states! Please give up all this UN-humanitarian bullsh!t, there are only few nation in europe who have right to make history - Russia, Germany, France, England. Other are just passive observers and objects of historical process.
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Every country makes its own history in its own way. England happens to do things as Great Britain. Many Scots are fighting in Afghanistan. Remember Afghanistan, CK?
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Crow:
What are chances for Warsaw to become capital of eventual Slavic confederation ?

the confederation has 0 chance of coming to fruition so the same goes for Warsaw.
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Seanus:
Remember Afghanistan, CK?

Yes I do! But now it is your problem, your new Vietnam, isn't it?
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Is it? How would you know, are you there? I don't imagine Russian passports being very welcome there.
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Crow:
Slavic wrath

Sounds like a death metal band.

Crow:
forget about London

Ok then i suggest Plock!
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Plock is the most picturesque village in Scotland, glad you know it ;) ;)

Płock is nothing in comparison.
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Seanus:
Is it? How would you know, are you there? I don't imagine Russian passports being very welcome there.

I can judge only by British soldiers who return home inside zinc coffins. And I see that you are not welcome there as well Seanus!
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Seanus:
Plock is the most picturesque village in Scotland, glad you know it ;) ;)

Didn't know there was one in Scotland.

Seanus:
Płock is nothing in comparison

Gets my vote for crows seat of empire.
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Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂ 		 Sep 20, 09, 19:00    #26
Well, I have no plans of reserving a holiday there so it doesn't really matter. I'm not aware of any of our soldiers being beheaded though. Being captured by Mujas, that seems to be a Russian speciality.
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Seanus:
I'm not aware of any of our soldiers being beheaded though.

I want to remind you that decapitation is the most noble way of death. Many saints were beheaded in past. Do you remember your own qween Mary or her descendant Charles i?
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The most noble way of death? You really are a clown, you know that? It's draconian and barbaric.

I don't think your soldiers felt so noble when they were waiting for their treatment.
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Read somewhere today that the talib leadership have said beheading is to stop, as is filming it and that pows are to be shot instead.
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Seanus:
It's draconian and barbaric.

Well, you can propose humane? Let me guess....electric chair....no? Wait a minute....I guess I know, it should be good hemp rope! It is so english and fabulous....

But may be you will prefer simple torturing of prisoners? Then you can use expirience of CIA and jailers of Abu Grabe! It is not so barbaric and even sometimes fun....especially homosexual simulations...mmmm, delicious and exciting! Those Arabs had a great time for sure!

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