So Close, Yet So Far: Polish Writers On Ties With Russia

David_18Threads: 111 Posts: 1,212 Joined: Jan 4, 07 ♂	Jun 19, 10, 17:37 #1
Interesting article "Never trust Russian authorities," Andrei Sakharov once advised his friend Bronislaw Geremek, the renowned Polish scholar and pro-democracy leader. http://www.rferl.org/content/So_Close_Yet_So_Far_Polish_Writers_On_Tie s_With_Russia/2076482.html Your thoughts?

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Jun 19, 10, 17:40 #2
That's more like it, David, looking to future ties. For me, Geremek said it all in the first part of the article. However, I'd only change his wording from always to often. You can't always trust anybody in this world!!

David_18Threads: 111 Posts: 1,212 Joined: Jan 4, 07 ♂	Jun 19, 10, 20:20 #3
Seanus: You can't always trust anybody in this world!! Not even family!!

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Jun 19, 10, 20:27 #4
Especially so-called family in international relations. Just look at Russia/Serbian relations. Russia help them only when they feel like it. Tusk and Komorowski will really look to edge closer on different fronts.

David_18Threads: 111 Posts: 1,212 Joined: Jan 4, 07 ♂	Jun 19, 10, 20:39 #5
Seanus: Especially so-called family in international relations. Money, not morality, is the principle commerce of civilized nations. Thomas Jefferson

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Jun 19, 10, 20:43 #6
Exactly! Look how they treated Serbia in the gas crisis. Many Serbs froze due to their gas being cut. As for Poland, they know the importance of gas and will work on self sufficiency.

David_18Threads: 111 Posts: 1,212 Joined: Jan 4, 07 ♂	Jun 19, 10, 21:40 #7
Seanus: As for Poland, they know the importance of gas and will work on self sufficiency. Lets hope this gas shale project workes out.

♂

Jun 20, 10, 12:12 #8

Here's to hoping! I just hope that naivete doesn't overtake reason here. My Polish friend was commenting on it this morning, at the naivety of his own people. He was really pouring it on, worried like Piłsudski was of where his country is going.

However, I urge caution with Russia. Yes, an olive branch has been given but Tusk needs to use his head. I'm not convinced that Russia has been open in their investigation over Smolensk though I am prepared to give leeway.

David_18Threads: 111 Posts: 1,212 Joined: Jan 4, 07 ♂	Jun 24, 10, 23:36 #9
Seanus: I'm not convinced that Russia has been open in their investigation over Smolensk though I am prepared to give leeway. Do i smell some conspiracy theories???? You never know right?

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Jun 24, 10, 23:38 #10
What's a conspiracy theory, David? Enlighten me! Is it one that many have worked extensively on at the expense of the lazy official line? I don't know.

SashaThreads: 2 Posts: 1,597 Joined: Apr 19, 08 ♂	Jun 24, 10, 23:43 #11
Seanus: Russia help them only when they feel like it. Do we always have to help them?

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Jun 24, 10, 23:46 #12
Yes, you know how the Poles feel about payback for historical wrongdoings ;) ;)

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