Why are Czechs more effective than Poles and Poland?

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Edited by: hague1cmaeron Jul 18, 10, 01:57 #31

southern:

Recently in CR I noticed a high degree of functionality in almost every aspect(transportation,services,etc.Everything seemed to run smoothly and Czechs really understood what one needs and always do sth in front to predict and satisfy the need.They are extremely efficient.Is this due to germanic influence on czech lands?Or due to different neighbours,historic traditions?
How do they manage to be so highly operational?Maybe Hitler was right calling Czechs the most dangerous Slavs?They seem to take from their neighbours everything worthy they have to offer.Even the houses they built during communism are vastly superior than polish ones built in the same period.

It is due to them having rolled over in the second war, and the fact that no fighting took place on Czech land in the first. So the 'top' element in their society survived relatively undisturbed. That is why they could entertain and flirt with such options like communism, where for a time being it was a genuinely popular ideology.

milky:

They have the great roads of central and western europe unlike most of Poland. They have the german influence(well located in Europe)

Yes, Poland is also very familiar with German influence, 6 million dead, industry destroyed and children stolen.

Torq:

Apparently, their tactics was better.

Well they do say its is better to die fighting than live on your knees.

Chicago PollockThreads: 10 Posts: 638 Joined: Apr 10, 10 ♂	Jul 18, 10, 03:32 #32
Poles have hate/love relationship with Poland. For the most part they have strong cultural identity with their families but overall, hate Polish society. Poland is a divided country and has been for a long time.

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Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Jul 18, 10, 03:53 #33

hague1cmaeron:

That is why they could entertain and flirt with such options like communism, where for a time being it was a genuinely popular ideology.

...as everybody could see during the Prague spring.

hague1cmaeron:

Yes, Poland is also very familiar with German influence, 6 million dead, industry destroyed and children stolen.

Not to forget the millions of Poles immigrating to Germany over the centuries...searching for a better life.

hague1cmaeron:

Well they do say its is better to die fighting than live on your knees.

Well...besides a handful of uprising the whole Eastern bloc DID live on it's knees for 60 years.
What makes you think Poles are different to everybody else?

BzibziohThreads: 6 Posts: 3,648 Joined: Oct 15, 08 ♀	Jul 18, 10, 04:34 #34
Bratwurst Boy: Well...besides a handful of uprising the whole Eastern bloc DID live on it's knees for 60 years. It's not exactly that Free West Block hurried to engage Soviet Union militarily, either. So is that making them cowards too? Bratwurst Boy: What makes you think Poles are different to everybody else? You mean beyond not having murderous tendencies toward our neighbors?

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Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Jul 18, 10, 04:38 #35

Bzibzioh:

So is that making them cowards too?

Realists I would say...People choose life to atomic death, that's why we can speak to each other today on PF, HC too.

Bzibzioh:

You mean beyond not having murderous tendencies toward our neighbors?

Well in your time you made it till Moscow too....without any invitiation that is!
Not to forget the "fondness" alot of Ukrainians still harbor for you deep down in their hearts...;)

BzibziohThreads: 6 Posts: 3,648 Joined: Oct 15, 08 ♀	Jul 18, 10, 04:45 #36
Bratwurst Boy: Realists I would say... So how come we were on our collective knees and they were just realists? Hypocritical much? Bratwurst Boy: Well in your time you made it till Moscow too....without any invitiation that is! I don't remember Poles inventing any zyklonB on the way.

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Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Jul 18, 10, 04:48 #37

Bzibzioh:

So how come we were on our collective knees and they were just realists? Hypocritical much?

Read back what HC wrote...
It's stupid to single out a people from the Eastern Bloc for cowardness....we were all in the same boat.

Bzibzioh:

I don't remember Poles inventing any zyklonB on the way.

Yeah...they would had been scientific masterminds back then...you didn't invent the gun powder or the bullets either...tsk tsk...
Still in the last century the preferred killing method in the wild East was still the club and the spade! ;)

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Jul 18, 10, 04:52 #38

Why are Czechs more effective than Poles?
It all depends on the location: the closer to Russia a country is, the more fukced up its history, economy, social life and standards are, unless you live on an island discovered for the first time in 1850s by the Western world or separated by a formidable thousand kilometers wall. As far as I know from geography Poland is not an island and mountains are in the wrong place. Czechs were partially saved by the distance. And they too were invaded by Soviet bastards in 1968.

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Edited by: Bzibzioh Jul 18, 10, 05:01 #39

Bratwurst Boy:

Read back what HC wrote...

You were willfully misunderstanding there but I'm nice so I didn't point that out. He was talking about beginning of WW2, you about commie times.

Bratwurst Boy:

Yeah...they would had been scientific masterminds back then...you didn't invent the gun powder or the bullets either...tsk tsk...

No, Poles didn't devastate Russia on that expedition to the point Russia had still to recuperate 60 years later.

Bratwurst Boy:

Not to forget the "fondness" alot of Ukrainians still harbor for you deep down in their hearts...;)

I hate when ppl are adding stuff after I answered already.
With Ukrainians we are even. It's not our fault they can't decide whether they want to belong to Western or Eastern civilization. To this day.

optsThreads: 12 Posts: 333 Joined: Jul 29, 06 ♂	Edited by: opts Jul 18, 10, 06:08 #40
Why are Czechs more effective than Poles? Because Poles are not Czechs. Why this forum attracts so many retarded foreigners who ask stupid questions?

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Edited by: hague1cmaeron Jul 18, 10, 09:18 #41

Bratwurst Boy:

Bratwurst Boy

Come now BB I was just using an example by way of contrast, you know that i really like Germany. Goodness knows you are trying your best, spreading your milk of human kindness to Poland through EU funds, like you said providing jobs, saving the EU project.

You know people want forget, 20 years from now they will say, yes it was that iron Frau who bailed out Greece and saved the EU project.

I seriously respect her, I cannot think of another EU leader with so much integrity, she comes across as so honest, she must be in the wrong line of business:)

I also remember when they were negotiating the EU budget a few years back and there was a deadlock, so she stepped up to the mark and for the good of the EU she spent a few extra marks.

You know I know a few Germans, and without exception they are a decent, friendly people who make great food and are very knowledgeable. I have the older generation in mind since i don't know any young ones, so I can't judge.

hague1cmaeronThreads: 20 Posts: 1,519 Joined: Mar 30, 10 ♂	Edited by: hague1cmaeron Jul 18, 10, 11:33 #42
I should say some might want to forget but most won't. BTW the new presidents seem to be getting on really well:)

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07 ♂	Jul 18, 10, 15:28 #43
hague1cmaeron: who make great food At last one who knows to appreciate our cuisine! :)

TorqThreads: 65 Posts: 4,023 Joined: Apr 10, 09 MEMBER ♂	Edited by: Torq Jul 18, 10, 15:31 #44
Bratwurst Boy: At last one who knows to appreciate our cuisine! :) I'll be staying in Berlin for a couple of days in August - where's the best place for Bratwurst, BB? :)

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Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Jul 18, 10, 15:50 #45

Torq:

where's the best place for Bratwurst, BB? :)

Hmm....why not trying out the famous Currywurst for once? Ja I know it's exotic but really worth a try! :)

Konnopke is famous for that one even outside of Berlin:
http://konnopke-imbiss.de/
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konnopke%E2%80%99s_Imbi%C3%9F

But here are more places:
(You can get there also Bratwürste) :)
http://www.currywurst-berlin.com/9501.html

*get's hungry*

TorqThreads: 65 Posts: 4,023 Joined: Apr 10, 09 MEMBER ♂	Jul 18, 10, 15:52 #46
:) Looks oldschool! I'll check it out, thanks!

saschaThreads: 10 Posts: 3,425 Joined: Jun 10, 10 ♂	Jul 19, 10, 14:00 #47
Bratwurst Boy: Hmm....why not trying out the famous Currywurst for once? Ja I know it's exotic but really worth a try! :) "German" Currywurst??? Where did you get the Curry from?? Better offer Sauerkraut und Eisbein...

convexThreads: 47 Posts: 7,189 Joined: Nov 25, 09 ♂	Jul 19, 10, 14:44 #48
Bratwurst Boy: Konnopke is famous for that one even outside of Berlin You just have to deal with the douches that live in the neighborhood, much like Vinohrady. sascha: "German" Currywurst??? Where did you get the Curry from?? Paprika grows in Germany :) ....and the Czech Republic..

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Edited by: peterweg Jul 19, 10, 17:43 #49

southern:

How do they manage to be so highly operational?Maybe Hitler was right calling Czechs the most dangerous Slavs?

southern

Czechoslovakia was far more industrialised than Poland at an earlier date. Industry produces money, money allows a better infrastructure, infrastructure makes a country more efficient. Poland was more agricultural and has a history of being occupied and destroyed by invaders. Czechoslovakia also inherited the wealthy of the Austro- Hungarian empire, given them a advantage in infrastructure and industry.

Britain, in contrast has not been invaded for nearly a thousand years, had access to the worlds oceans and natural resources (a legal imperative - slavery was banned) to industrialise.

In summary, Czechoslovakia was lucky.

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Jul 19, 10, 18:59 #50

peterweg:

Czechoslovakia also inherited the wealthy of the Austro- Hungarian empire,

peterweg:

Czechoslovakia was lucky

And Poland was lucky as well since it inherited the wealth of german empire(which was more advanced than the austrohungarian empire) and this of austrohungarian empire(in its teritorry) as well.Why Hungary which also inherited the Austrohungarian empire is now in shutters?There must be some reason and the difference in mentality is obvious to anyone visiting these countries.

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Edited by: Torq Jul 19, 10, 19:04 #51

southern:

the difference in mentality is obvious to anyone visiting these countries

Oh, really?

Apparently you missed my post, Southern...

http://www.polishforums.com/news-politics-4/czechs-more-effective-than -poles-poland-45237/#msg943895

... you're forgetting that Poles and Czechs are close Slavic cousins (culturally and linguistically)
and people in Poland very often have friendship and family ties with Czech Republic,
so nobody will buy your fairy tales about "more Germanic influence", "better effectiveness"
etc. etc.

CrowThreads: 365 Posts: 7,192 Joined: Feb 14, 07 ♂	Jul 19, 10, 20:48 #52
Czechs Serbs see Czechs as Boii and Czechs see Serbs as Skordisci. We are both (Czechs and Serbs) aware that Celts were Slavs.

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Edited by: GARBM1 Jul 19, 10, 23:25 #53

why are the Czechs more effective than the Poles.... are you kidding me.... Why is it that the Poles invaded UK after the european union entry & the number of czechs is small in comparison............. why ... bcause the Poles are willing to get off there arse & make something given the opportunity... perhaps the Czechs think the are more refind or sophisticated .... which is bulsh* I lived in Prague & ran a restaurant there, I know alittle bit about Czechs & they are small in comparison to the Poles... by the way Im Scottish & hold no natural bias to either country only from what I have seen.... the comment is racisist ...& the guy is a misinformed muppet......

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Jul 19, 10, 23:36 #54

Yeah but have you lived in Poland? Getting sth things done here is awkward when you have old hags from communist times being far from helpful. However, there is hope and I have been lucky enough to come across helpful souls, whether it be in a hospital, insurance agency or tax office. Still, the attitude and efficiency has to improve. There is potential but they have to give the heave-ho to old biddies that are just taking up space. I can imagine the Czechs being more effective than such types though don't tar all administrative workers with the same brush. Poland just needs to offload excess baggage and get sharper people in those jobs.

TorqThreads: 65 Posts: 4,023 Joined: Apr 10, 09 MEMBER ♂	Edited by: Torq Jul 19, 10, 23:37 #55
sascha: Very disrespectful Hey - I did put 'wink' smileys at the end of the post (two of them!), didn't I? sascha: whole Europe owes most of its cultural identity I wouldn't say 'most'. Besides, modern Greeks have as much in common with ancient Greeks as modern day Italians have with ancient Romans :)

zetigrekThreads: 59 Posts: 2,710 Joined: May 20, 10 ♂	Edited by: zetigrek Jul 20, 10, 00:56 #56
Why are Czechs more effective than Poles and Poland? they had real intelectual and patriot type named Vaclav Havel... and we did not. Seanus: There is a Germanic influence evident in Prague which might account for their efficiency. and u dont see germanic influence in polish cities? ...that's weird Sean (since u live in Silesia...)

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07 ♂	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Jul 20, 10, 01:08 #57
sascha: "German" Currywurst??? Where did you get the Curry from?? Yeah..you "German", you should know about the famous Berliner Currywurst, every German does! Grönemeyer did even sing about it...another proof that you are a true Serbian. ROFL

southernThreads: 116 Posts: 10,900 Joined: May 17, 07 ♂	Jul 20, 10, 01:10 #58
GARBM1: Why is it that the Poles invaded UK after the european union entry & the number of czechs is small in comparison....... So the fact that hundreds of thousands of Poles had to emigrate shows that they are more effective?I thik it shows the opposite.

David_18Threads: 111 Posts: 1,202 Joined: Jan 4, 07 ♂	Jul 20, 10, 01:35 #59
southern: So the fact that hundreds of thousands of Poles had to emigrate shows that they are more effective?I thik it shows the opposite. They are just taking a small piece of what the Uk owes Poland after they sold them out in Yalta and forced the poles to live under the communists.

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Edited by: sascha Jul 20, 10, 01:47 #60

Bratwurst Boy:

Yeah..you "German", you should know about the famous Berliner Currywurst, every German does! Grönemeyer did even sing about it...another proof that you are a true Serbian.

Eloquence wherever you write sth. Entertaining on child level, but as I said already.No improvement. Just babbling, no arguments and gay(quoting yourself).

By the way, classic grilled sausage is my favorite. Did you buy Groenemeyers LP with the song about Currywurst? Its great.

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