Damien Perquis Football player granted Polish citizenship insulted by the PIS ?

LwowskaKrakowThreads: 49 Posts: 504 Joined: Mar 9, 07 MEMBER ♀	Sep 24, 11, 10:22 #1
Is it true that Damien Perquis a French football player of Polish ancestry who was granted Polish citizenship to play in Poland was called " a French S***** who should not wear the Polish Eagle (!?)" by Jan Tomaszewski a former Polish football player and PIS Politician ? If so, this old PIS bigot is giving Poland a really bad image for the world of Sport and in general especially before 2012 !

gumishuThreads: 17 Posts: 3,943 Joined: Apr 6, 09 ♂	Sep 24, 11, 10:36 #2
Damien Perquis was personally spat on by Jarosław Kaczyński - this is the sort of politics PiS is about (ok I have no idea what mr Tomaszewski said about Perquis - neither did I know that Tomaszewski is a member of PiS)

MyMomThreads: 9 Posts: 185 Joined: Aug 13, 11 ♂	Sep 24, 11, 11:09 #3
Nobody pays attention to what Tomaszewski says and nobody knows he is PIS member. Anyway, I don't like this sort of propaganda on Polish forums (read by foreigners) so I will vote PIS just to **** you off.

delphiandomineThreads: 42 Posts: 9,954 Joined: Nov 25, 08 ♂ [Suspended]	Sep 24, 11, 12:24 #4
Anyway, I don't like this sort of propaganda on Polish forums (read by foreigners) so I will vote PIS just to ** you off. That's okay, we'll vote PO just to ** your type off.

gumishuThreads: 17 Posts: 3,943 Joined: Apr 6, 09 ♂	Sep 24, 11, 12:31 #5
That's okay, we'll vote PO just to **** your type off. are you allowed to take part in the parliamentary election if you are not holdin Polish citizenship - I ask out of curiousity not out of spite

teflcatThreads: 6 Posts: 1,076 Joined: May 29, 11 ♂	Sep 24, 11, 12:35 #6
Damien Perquis was personally spat on by Jarosław Kaczyński Details please.

gumishuThreads: 17 Posts: 3,943 Joined: Apr 6, 09 ♂	Edited by: gumishu Sep 24, 11, 12:36 #7
Damien Perquis was personally spat on by Jarosław Kaczyński Details please. no way - google it yourself :) ok I'll save you the effort - it wasn't spit actually - Kaczyński just misfortunatetly sneezed on Mr Perquis's black suit while the two were being introduced to each other - that's the sort of PR disaster Kaczyński sadly is ;)

MalopolaninThreads: 8 Posts: 198 Joined: Sep 5, 10 ♂	Sep 24, 11, 12:39 #8
If so, this old PIS bigot is giving Poland a really bad image for the world of Sport and in general especially before 2012 ! Perquis is nobody. Tomaszewski is the legend.

MyMomThreads: 9 Posts: 185 Joined: Aug 13, 11 ♂	Sep 24, 11, 13:03 #9
are you allowed to take part in the parliamentary election if you are not holdin Polish citizenship - I ask out of curiousity not out of spite No he cannot, immigrants fortunately aren't allowed to vote in the parliamentary elections. But it's good to know who he would vote for if he could - this way I know exactly which party I should not vote for.

teflcatThreads: 6 Posts: 1,076 Joined: May 29, 11 ♂	Sep 24, 11, 13:06 #10
immigrants fortunately aren't allowed to vote in the parliamentary elections. They are if they've been granted Polish citizenship.

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Edited by: delphiandomine Sep 24, 11, 13:10 #11

are you allowed to take part in the parliamentary election if you are not holdin Polish citizenship - I ask out of curiousity not out of spite

Sadly, no. It's a shame, because I would probably put far more effort into voting than the vast majority of people who just vote blindly for one party without thinking.

Still - I can vote at European and local levels. In the runoff in Poznan between Grobelny and the PO nobody, I spoiled my vote ;)

But it's good to know who he would vote for if he could - this way I know exactly which party I should not vote for.

It's exactly that kind of stupid logic that results in PO dominating Polish politics. Negativity just doesn't win elections - never did, never will.

LeopejoThreads: 6 Posts: 154 Joined: Sep 16, 09 ♂	Sep 24, 11, 14:42 #12
I read yesterday in the newspaper that Poland ranks second lowest out of 30 countries (EU, USA, etc.) in immigrant rights. As an example, they brought out that in Poland a foreigner cannot be a candidate in any elections, nor can he vote in parliamentary elections. Only EU citizens, resident for more than three years in Poland, can vote in administrative elections.

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Edited by: delphiandomine Sep 24, 11, 14:45 #13

As an example, they brought out that in Poland a foreigner cannot be a candidate in any elections, nor can he vote in parliamentary elections. Only EU citizens, resident for more than three years in Poland, can vote in administrative elections.

Utter nonsense.

EU citizens can vote in municipal and European elections from the minute they obtain the EU residence certificate, which takes about a month at the most to get. They need to go to the Urzad Miasta each time to get a paper which confirms their vote - but that's a five second job.

The rules are harmonised throughout the EU in this respect - those with valid residency can vote in these elections. Incidentally, they can also be candidates if they chose to be. It would be rather insane if a European Union citizen couldn't stand for European election!

As it stands, I can't think of anything in Poland that EU citizens cannot do that Poles can do, except voting. Heck, there's even an Nigerian posel!

LwowskaKrakowThreads: 49 Posts: 504 Joined: Mar 9, 07 MEMBER ♀	Sep 24, 11, 15:17 #14
Nobody pays attention to what Tomaszewski says and nobody knows he is PIS member. Exept when Gazeta Wyborzca and main Polish French and German newspapers write about this... Tomaszewski also insulted another player E Polanski who is Polish but raised in Germany. Anyway the PIS will not win the elections in my opinion but the damages on Poland ' s image are big.

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Edited by: gumishu Sep 24, 11, 15:30 #15

Anyway the PIS will not win the elections in my opinion but the damages on Poland ' s image are big.

actually wouldn't you prefer people around you spoke their minds instead of going around the business of creating an 'image'

btw if the Western media love to suddenly quote Jan Tomaszewski who is nobody for them (ever heard any Western media quote Tomaszewski on anything before???) just happens to currently support PiS, isn't it that you are actually witnessing an effort (more or less conscious) on creating a negative image of the whole political movement (not a first incidence and most probably not the last one)

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Sep 24, 11, 16:37 #16

btw if the Western media love to suddenly quote Jan Tomaszewski who is nobody for them (ever heard any Western media quote Tomaszewski on anything before???) just happens to currently support PiS, isn't it that you are actually witnessing an effort (more or less conscious) on creating a negative image of the whole political movement (not a first incidence and most probably not the last one)

It is disturbing. I recall how some British newspaper referred to Tusk as modern and enlghtened or some **** like that :)

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Sep 24, 11, 17:13 #17

actually wouldn't you prefer people around you spoke their minds

No sorry i would have done without this Polish guy on the political scene insulting someone who got Polish citizenship just because he had Polish roots and was not born in Poland and who did the same against someone who was born in Poland and raised in Germany.

I don't prefer at all people like that to speak their minds and express their hate and hostility for no reason, i would prefer them to shut up . They are an embarrassment for Poland. As for Kaczyński spitting on this football player he is just lucky he did not do that with Zinedine Zidane!

gumishuThreads: 17 Posts: 3,943 Joined: Apr 6, 09 ♂	Sep 24, 11, 17:17 #18
As for Kaczyński spitting on this football player he is just lucky he did not do that with Zinedine Zidane! heh - you actually believed this - think yourself how low you think of Kaczyński for a moment - and how much it is based on whatever you actually seen him do or say

LwowskaKrakowThreads: 49 Posts: 504 Joined: Mar 9, 07 MEMBER ♀	Sep 24, 11, 17:25 #19
Well if you had said that Jean Marie Le Pen burnt a Polish woman alive because she was not French i would have believed you too! Lol

gumishuThreads: 17 Posts: 3,943 Joined: Apr 6, 09 ♂	Sep 24, 11, 17:58 #20
Well if you had said that Jean Marie Le Pen burnt a Polish woman alive because she was not French i would have believed you too! Lol am I so convincing or what? :)

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Oct 22, 11, 09:47 #21

Damien Perquis is launching a legal action against Jan Tomaswewski , hopefully Tomaswewski should pay a huge fine and make a public apology for his kind statements in the Sports world and before the cup in Poland.

"How can he pull on the White Eagle shirt, the one in which we true Poles won honours. A piece of French trash, of footballing trash, who never made his mark at home," Tomaszewski said."

What would this Jan Tomaszewski think if Polish Football players in France in Germany etc were publicly insulted this way and called "piece of Polish trash?"

hague1cmaeronThreads: 21 Posts: 1,652 Joined: Mar 30, 10 ♂	Oct 22, 11, 11:42 #22
gumishu: that's the sort of PR disaster Kaczyński sadly is ;) Hold on a second weren't you a Kaczynski supporter not to long ago?

Grzegorz_Threads: 81 Posts: 6,213 Joined: Nov 16, 06 ♂	Oct 22, 11, 15:21 #23
LwowskaKrakow: "How can he pull on the White Eagle shirt, the one in which we true Poles won honours. A piece of French trash, of footballing trash, who never made his mark at home," Unfortunately he's right. What part of this statement is not true in your opinion ?

LwowskaKrakowThreads: 49 Posts: 504 Joined: Mar 9, 07 MEMBER ♀	Oct 22, 11, 18:05 #24
Grzegorz you can become Tomaszewski 's defense lawyer in court against Perquis and the Polish club that hired him but it is doubtful you ll win Tomaswewski's case...

Grzegorz_Threads: 81 Posts: 6,213 Joined: Nov 16, 06 ♂	Oct 22, 11, 21:09 #25
He will most probably have to apologize... which doesn't change a fact that he's right... I think you don't know much about Polish football and thus don't understand what he ment.

JonnyMThreads: 16 Posts: 4,487 Joined: Mar 9, 11 ♂	Oct 22, 11, 21:21 #26
I think you don't know much about Polish football and thus don't understand what he ment. There is a wider issue, about language used in football and treatment of players (Posh Spice takes it up the whatever, throwing bananas, sectarianism etc) that means the issue must be dealt with before he is seen to be condoning the use of such language by fans.

isthatu2Threads: 13 Posts: 5,225 Joined: Apr 3, 08 ♂	Oct 22, 11, 22:18 #27
Oh god, its football,not a bloomin Knitting Circle :)

LwowskaKrakowThreads: 49 Posts: 504 Joined: Mar 9, 07 MEMBER ♀	Oct 23, 11, 09:50 #28
For sure Football is not Rugby but still hateful Politicians should not be allowed to spit their venom without having to answer for their actions

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Oct 23, 11, 12:44 #29

What is your take on buying foreign players and fast-track citizenship? SHould a national squad be precidely that -- a time compsoed of nationals? Hasn't sport in general degenerated into yet another mega-comemrcial venture with little of the 'noble rivalry' left? It's all about pricey transfers, broadcasting rights, people like Małysz plastered from head to to with comercial logos, 'Made in China' team-gadgets (mugs, T-shirts, mascots, souvenirs, [I couldn't believe it when I learnt there were things like Glasgow Rangers jam], etc.) not to mention stadium hooliganism, match-fixing and underworld involvement in sport.

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Oct 23, 11, 13:37 #30

Polonius3:

Hasn't sport in general degenerated into yet another mega-comemrcial venture with little of the 'noble rivalry' left? It's all about pricey transfers, broadcasting rights

It has indeed! Football stopped being a sport a few years ago and has become a big business for players, clubs, the FA and FIFA. Until there is a cap put on the ridiculous money involved in the game, most stadiums in the future will have empty seats, as fans won't be able afford to pay the inflated prices for tickets every season.

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