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joepilsudskiThreads: 44
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Note: I have read about this man from Piotr Bein & other Polish journalists, but I am not familiar with the details & history...Maybe PF members could help on background.

On June 11, 2010, a badly decomposed body was discovered wedged in between the seat of a parked vehicle in a shopping center located in Karolinka, Opole, in Poland. The cadaver was decomposed beyond recognition, and DNA tests turned out to be inconclusive in establishing the identity of the victim. However, papers and documents discovered inside the vehicle led police to conclude that the deceased individual was Dariusz Ratajczak, a professor of history who formerly taught at the University of Opole. He was 48 years old at the time of his death. Family members confirmed the fact that the deceased was indeed Dariusz Ratajczak. After being questioned, a number of witnesses told the police that the car had only recently been parked there. In fact, just prior to his demise, Ratajczak had been planning a business trip to Holland, where he had been hired to work as a translator.

In fact, Dariusz Ratajczak’s troubles began with the publication of his booklet, “Dangerous Topics,” in March, 1999. The treatise was self-published and limited to only 320 copies, but gave credence to the old maxim that the ‘pen is mightier than the sword’. Ratajczak’s essay provoked a firestorm of criticism among his contemporaries. In the month following the book’s publication, a rather surprised Ratajczak was summoned to the editorial offices of the Gazeta Wyborcza, a leading Polish newspaper, where he was sneeringly told, “We’ll trample you into the ground for that little book, and the little sub-chapter on the Holocaust.”

http://www.freedomportal.net/forum/index.php/topic,2900.0.html
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What was the subject of Ratajczak's book?
joepilsudskiThreads: 44
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He question 'accepted' version of WWII, the camps, and Polish role.

In other words, he questioned the Jewish version of history.

I have not read his writing, but now I will try to see what he wrote that had him murdered.
StuThreads: 27
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joepilsudski:
I will try to see what he wrote that had him murdered


Says who that his "book" got him killed? He was doing some extra job in the Netherlands ... . Maybe he had gambling debts ... ?

Any proof ... ?

The fact that one cannot extract DNA from a decomposed body is BS. They are able to extract DNA from a mammoth calf in Siberia, from Bobby Fischer (http://www.nypost.com/p/news/international/bobby_fischer_body_child_c ase_dug_rbn2QoVTvMXo98o0LXU5HJ) and even from Ötzi, who died 5.000 years ago (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/five-millennia-on-iceman-of -bolzano-gives-up-dna-secrets-2041236.html).

So I've got my doubts about the correctness of the facts in the "article" from "Freedomportal".
joepilsudskiThreads: 44
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Proof?...I am not detective, and I only read some rather fragmented translations of commentary by Polish writers, as I said...If you read the link, it appears he was murdered...For gambling debts?...I don't believe he had history of this.
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The "article" is full of the "author's" opinions. He uses terms like "willful and malicious persecution", "profound insights and spontaneous genius", "convert history into a handmaid of current political interests of equally morally and intellectually cheap ruling elites".

When I read an article about someone, then I like to be the judge of that!

So I don't believe the "article" one little bit.
aphrodisiacThreads: 22
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joepilsudski:
In the month following the book’s publication, a rather surprised Ratajczak was summoned to the editorial offices of the Gazeta Wyborcza, a leading Polish newspaper, where he was sneeringly told, “We’ll trample you into the ground for that little book, and the little sub-chapter on the Holocaust.”

how can a newspaper summon anybody, it is not a police quarter in communist times.
Stu:
The fact that one cannot extract DNA from a decomposed body is BS.

they did, it was not conclusive.
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Here is a link, in Polish; you can translate via Google:

http://macgregor.salon24.pl/195441,dr-dariusz-ratajczak-nie-zyje
SeanusThreads: 22
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Geez, can people not just learn to ignore opinions? The man was voicing his, whether it was right or wrong, and he got set upon. That's just not on!
joepilsudskiThreads: 44
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Seanus:
Geez, can people not just learn to ignore opinions? The man was voicing his, whether it was right or wrong, and he got set upon. That's just not on!


Exactly the point...He was apparently a very gentle man, with family, teacher, and may not have fully understood that certain opinions are dangerous...I started thread to gain more info since I was not really familiar with the case.
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Stu:
So I've got my doubts about the correctness of the facts in the "article" from "Freedomportal".

A look at some of their other articles sets the tone for their reliability.

Stu:

So I don't believe the "article" one little bit.

Me neither

Seanus:
learn to ignore opinions? The man was voicing his, whether it was right or wrong,

He was an active holocaust denier who had been using his university post to propagate and add respectability to his political beliefs - 'ram them down people's throats' even. There were also other problems that led to him being fired by the university.

He also had a radio show on Radio Maryja which even they eventually distanced themselves from. He was the guy who made the infamous comment about Jews smelling of onions.

aphrodisiac:
how can a newspaper summon anybody, it is not a police quarter in communist times.

Exactly; the guy liked controversy - as a commentator he made a living from airing his views, but indeed, a newspaper can't summon anybody.
MareGaeaThreads: 45
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Seanus:
The man was voicing his, whether it was right or wrong, and he got set upon.


Well, let's not jump to conclusions like the writer of the article or joe or other ppl. We do NOT know if he was killed because of his views. We don't even know IF he was killed as he could've just died by himself, committed suicide or whatever.

I for one think it's rather odd that a body can lay in a car for quite a while in the parking lot of a shopping centre, let alone that a CAR can sit so long there. Normally it would be towed away after a day or two.

In short, we do not know anything about the circumstances of his death, but apparently this is heading again to Jews, murderous Jews?

jonni:
A look at some of their other articles


That's what I always do in case of links given.


>^..^<

M-G (wonders)
joepilsudskiThreads: 44
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From the responses, it seems as if this was not reported on in Poland, or it was just given a passing mention...Am I correct in this?...What did Gazeta Wyborzca have to say, if anything?...Is this Adam Michnik's paper?
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joepilsudski:
or it was just given a passing mention.


Probably because most people are more interested in other matters, and the only suspicious circumstance is that somebody wrote a polemic about it on your freedomportal page in order to make paranoid capital out of someone's death.
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jonni:
Probably because most people are more interested in other matters, and the only suspicious circumstance is that somebody wrote a polemic about it on your freedomportal page in order to make paranoid capital out of someone's death.


Maybe...Perhaps he not big enough to merit notice of 'Polish' press...Not big, like Anna Lindh...She said wrong thing too, and she a Foreign Minister...She had accident.
MareGaeaThreads: 45
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Lemme guess, Joe, you're FrankDialogue on this forum where you got this story from?

>^..^<

M-G (same style, same spelling-errors, same content)
joepilsudskiThreads: 44
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MareGaea:
Lemme guess, Joe, you're FrankDialogue on this forum where you got this story from?


Absolutely...I use that pen-name because during the cold war, whenever Russian and American diplomats would meet, and ended up disagreeing about everything, the Soviets would say that 'Soviet and Americans met, and although no consensus was reached, there was a frank dialogue concerning matters of mutual concern'...See, I lived through the cold war, the Cuban missile crisis, and the gradual collapse of Communism...I think it a great pen name...Visit my website also: http:www.kultureamerika.weebly.com

I use joepilsudski here because this the first web forum I post on...When just a child, my parents would take me to the 'Pilsudski Club' which was a meeting place for Polish-Americans where they has weddings, parties, and a bar where members could drink and talk...And, of course, I feel that Pilsudski was the greatest Polish leader of the past 100 years.

BTW, the thread was very well done, all sourced from Polish journalists.
plk123Threads: 30
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http://www.revisionists.com/revisionists/ratajczak.html
wildroverThreads: 180
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If the report that the car was only recently put in the car park is correct , then this suggests murder...

The body was badly decomposed....he did not drive the car there himself...so it looks a bit naughty...


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