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LithuanianThreads: 1
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Joined: Sep 15, 11 ♂ 		 Sep 15, 11, 19:37    #1
Hello there. I'm here to discuss the so called "Polish discrimination" by Lithuania.
Today i saw a Lithuanian TV Show that showed us a little town beggining with P letter in Poland (Cant remember the name)
It has over 80% of Lithuanians living in that town, so City's name is written in Polish and then in Lithuanian. However, the Lithuanian name has been colored by white and red (Polish flag) so it couldnt be seen... So who is discriminated? Also, when you talk with your friend in Lithuanian in Cafe, Polish person turns to you and says "Hey, can you talk in Polish? I dont understand you"
In that city Lithuanians has a hate towards them by Polish people.

Now, still, they cry that "their rights are being violated" in Lithuania, when they DONT EVEN PUT A SIGN "AWARE OF CHILDREN" near the LITHUANIAN SCHOOL in POLAND , even if it's a LAW in POLAND to put these signs near EVERY SCHOOL!
Would you see that in Lithuania?

Polish people just cant understand that Vilnius/Wilno is LITHUANIAN city, it has been built by Lithuanians.. Just because they have occupied it for few years it doesnt mean its theirs. Check some maps from middle ages.

We used to have some cities from todays Belarus, Ukraine, Russia, Kaliningrad (Karaliaučius), so what, we should claim them as ours? We live today, stop the discrimination in Poland of Lithuanians, and we will stop the non existing discrimination of Polish minorities in Lithuania.
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Joined: Aug 13, 11 ♂ 		 Sep 15, 11, 19:50    #2
However, the Lithuanian name has been colored by white and red (Polish flag) so it couldnt be seen

Some vandals did it in retailation for what Lithuanians do in broad dailight, on public TV.

Polish people just cant understand that Vilnius/Wilno is LITHUANIAN city, it has been built by Lithuanians..

And the person who retook it for Poland considered himself a Lithuanian, so what are whining about? Your so called Lithuania should be rather called ŻmudĽ.
BTW there were no people living in Wilno before the war who spoke Lithuanian, that's a funny fact.
IronsideThreads: 59
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Joined: Feb 26, 09 ♂ 		 Sep 15, 11, 19:51    #3
How old are you L?
LithuanianThreads: 1
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Joined: Sep 15, 11 ♂ 		 Sep 15, 11, 19:57    #4
That doesnt matter Ironside

What im trying to achieve is just a simple understanding of Lithuanian and Poland Nations. The wars are over and we're living NOW, not in the PAST.
David_18Threads: 111
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Joined: Jan 4, 07 ♂ 		 Sep 15, 11, 20:03    #5
What im trying to achieve is just a simple understanding of Lithuanian and Poland Nations. The wars are over and we're living NOW, not in the PAST.

Sucha pity really that brothers from Lithuania got so much hate inside them :(

Could be an influx from to many Russians in your country?
GregrogThreads: 3
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Joined: Feb 2, 09 ♂ 		 Sep 15, 11, 20:11    #6
You are right Lithuanian. Nobody in Poland thinking about taking back Wilno, Lwów etc(except some extremist, but they are really small minority). We do not care about it mostly. You are telling us that the wars are over, so the are, but it looks like your government is forgetting about that and it is fighting polish minority in Lithuania.

Today i saw a Lithuanian TV Show that showed us a little town beggining with P letter in Poland (Cant remember the name)
It has over 80% of Lithuanians living in that town, so City's name is written in Polish and then in Lithuanian. However, the Lithuanian name has been colored by white and red (Polish flag) so it couldnt be seen... So who is discriminated? Also, when you talk with your friend in Lithuanian in Cafe, Polish person turns to you and says "Hey, can you talk in Polish? I dont understand you"


You are talking about Puńsk and here you looks like you don't understand a few things:
1. this act of vandalism is act of vandalism, not a policy of a state
2. bilingual signs are guaranteed to the minority in Poland
3. same signs are forbidden in Lithuania. Not so long ago there was a TV show in Lithuania ("we love Lithuania" or something like that), where a group of youngsters get in the privet home in Ejszyszki and put down a sign with street name in both languages.
4. I have never heard that anybody in PL in the cafe are telling other people in what language they have to talk. I haven't, but it may be truth.
5. I heard that it is very problematic to talk in Polish when you are in Wilno. That is it unwelcome.

The act of vandalism by painting Lithuanian name of Punsk has been condemned by polish authorities and locals.
pawianThreads: 90
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Joined: May 30, 08  Pictures: 2 ♂ 		 Sep 15, 11, 20:12    #7
=Lithuanian]and we will stop the non existing discrimination of Polish minorities in Lithuania.

How can you stop something that doesn`t exist? :):):):)

Nice logic.
IronsideThreads: 59
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Joined: Feb 26, 09 ♂ 		 Sep 15, 11, 20:17    #8
What im trying to achieve is just a simple understanding of Lithuanian and Poland Nations. The wars are over and we're living NOW, not in the PAST.

Fine, stop discrimination of Poles (or Lithuanians of Polish culture). It is you who is stuck in the past,idiots!
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Joined: Apr 19, 08  Pictures: 1 ♂ 		 Sep 15, 11, 20:58    #9
Could be an influx from to many Russians in your country?


Should I then say that a Jewish influx made a little racist troll out of you, Dodik?

Lithuanian you won't find a country where a minority isn't at all discriminated, at least to an extent. You'll always find there people who complain about that and instigate on both sides. There's little you can about that, you either have to come to terms with that or go back to where you belong.
I've never seriously considered moving to another country, even though I don't like many things about mine. That was the reason why.
SomersetThreads: 7
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Joined: Sep 6, 11 ♂ 		 Sep 15, 11, 21:12    #10
Villnius was a Jewish city till the end of the 19th centuary, and the lithuanians made up only 0.8 % in 1939 ( Poles 65 % Jews 35 %). You desevred everything you got from Uncle Joe after collaborating with the Nazis. you facists.
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Joined: Apr 1, 11 ♂ 		 Sep 16, 11, 00:23    #11
Some vandals did it in retailation for what Lithuanians do in broad dailight, on public TV.


This vandal attack is not the first. As always none responsible was arrested.

Fine, stop discrimination of Poles (or Lithuanians of Polish culture). It is you who is stuck in the past,idiots!


Ironside, you claimed that you don't hate lithuanians, yet you insult again...

Anyway, this "polish minority discrimination" has little to do with reality. If you take education law, just look in to Poland's education laws for minorities. It's all politicians, who seek cheap fame.
MyMomThreads: 9
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Joined: Aug 13, 11 ♂ 		 Sep 16, 11, 00:39    #12
Anyway, this "polish minority discrimination" has little to do with reality.

That's not what former Lithuanian prime minister Gediminas Kirkilas said on Lithuanian radio. He confirmed that Lithuanian government fails to collaborate with Polish minority.
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Joined: Apr 1, 11 ♂ 		 Sep 16, 11, 00:47    #13
That's not what former Lithuanian prime minister Gediminas Kirkilas said on Lithuanian radio. He confirmed that Lithuanian government fails to collaborate with Polish minority.


Seeking cheap fame. You should have seen comments about him in news website :)
hague1cmaeronThreads: 21
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Joined: Mar 30, 10 ♂ 		 Sep 16, 11, 01:26    #14
Lithuanian

Brave attempt, but the only thing that you have managed by posting on here using your loigc, is to confirm the suspicions many Poles have of Lithuanians as a nation of small minded people. If you are afraid of Lithuanian culture being diminished, you should take it up with your elites who gave up on the Lithuanian peasant dialect a long time ago and instead all started speaking Polish.
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Joined: Apr 23, 11 ♂ 		 Sep 16, 11, 01:58    #15
Damn. Two countries that were great allies and so much anger here :|
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Joined: Apr 10, 10 ♂ 		 Sep 16, 11, 06:57    #16
What are Poles doing living in Lithuania? Total BS. Kick them out, now! Ship them to US. Lithuania for Lithuanians.
IronsideThreads: 59
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Joined: Feb 26, 09 ♂ 		 Sep 16, 11, 10:15    #17
Anyway, this "polish minority discrimination" has little to do with reality.

No mister, you words have little to do with reality. Are you friend of Benas ©imkus?

Total BS

yep Chip your wrote total BS:)
piktoonisThreads: -
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Joined: Apr 1, 11 ♂ 		 Sep 16, 11, 15:03    #18
No mister, you words have little to do with reality


Is that so? And what IS the reality?

Benas ©imkus


Who is he?
Mr GrunwaldThreads: 34
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Joined: Dec 16, 08 ♂ 		 Sep 16, 11, 15:36    #19
What are Poles doing living in Lithuania? Total BS. Kick them out, now! Ship them to US. Lithuania for Lithuanians.


It seems you follow the German version of nationality, as I am more for an patriotic one (ethnicity doesn't mean nationality) I say they can stay! It's a proof of the Polish-Lithuanian republic ever excisted! I would treasure it.

Pitty that SOME nationalistic Lithuanians can't see the bigger picture
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Joined: Nov 16, 06 ♂ 		 Sep 16, 11, 15:54    #20
In that city Lithuanians has a hate towards them by Polish people.


Yes, I'm sure they are terrorized by the remaining 20%... you guys start creating real problems out of these issues... What's going on, are Russians doctoring it or what ?

You desevred everything you got from Uncle Joe after collaborating with the Nazis. you facists.


Be gone damn ****.
IronsideThreads: 59
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Joined: Feb 26, 09 ♂ 		 Sep 16, 11, 16:27    #21
Is that so? And what IS the reality?

Yes, it is !That you are avoiding all real issues.Denial and deflection!
Who is he?

fascist and sergeant in Lithuanian army.Probably your subordinate.
pawianThreads: 90
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Joined: May 30, 08  Pictures: 2 ♂ 		 Sep 16, 11, 23:32    #22
=Grzegorz_]What's going on, are Russians doctoring it or what ?

It is an interesting supposition. For some time I have been thinking that foreign agents in Lithuanian authorities which pass anti-Polish bills are doing everything to create tensions between Lithuanians and Poles.
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Joined: Apr 1, 11 ♂ 		 Sep 17, 11, 07:11    #23
Yes, it is !That you are avoiding all real issues.Denial and deflection!


Care to elaborate?

fascist and sergeant in Lithuanian army.Probably your subordinate.


You really should stop using drugs :D

It is an interesting supposition. For some time I have been thinking that foreign agents in Lithuanian authorities which pass anti-Polish bills are doing everything to create tensions between Lithuanians and Poles


And i thought that it was polish government infiltrated, who is now waging propaganda war.
adnarThreads: -
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Joined: Sep 18, 11 ♂ 		 Sep 18, 11, 00:54    #24
Well... I am actually Pole, but with Lithuanian roots (having family in Kaunas, Marijampole and Vilnius) and living in Suwałki (or Suvalkai if you prefer it that way). All bad situations are caused by vandals only. The city you are talking about is Puńsk (or Punskas in Lithuanian). Indeed, there is a strong Lithuanian minority in there, but noone discriminates them. As I already mentioned, accident in Puńsk was made by vandals, and believe me, that mostly due to my Lithuanian roots I am ashamed of this. Even though I don't know the language, I feel very uncomfortable when I hear about such situations happen. I am sure that Polish and Lithuanian people are friends, but there are some groups that damage it. Also media create bad view on our relations.

Puńsk has Lithuanian-Polish signs, people who live there can both speak Polish and Lithuanian. They also have schools with Lithuanian language of lessons. It is because we have laws that tell us to do so.

About language - Lithuanian is very hard to learn, and not many people know it in Poland (it is hard to find some learning courses in this language, cause it is not popular). They know that you actually can speak some Polish (many of you), so they try to communicate with you. It is not offensive to anyone, people just try to communicate. We know that using Russian is not good to use in Lithuania (due to history reasons) and unfortunately - it is quite hard to communicate in English too.
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Joined: Sep 18, 11 ♂ 		 Sep 18, 11, 13:55    #25
About language - Lithuanian is very hard to learn, and not many people know it in Poland (it is hard to find some learning courses in this language, cause it is not popular). They know that you actually can speak some Polish (many of you), so they try to communicate with you. It is not offensive to anyone, people just try to communicate. We know that using Russian is not good to use in Lithuania (due to history reasons) and unfortunately - it is quite hard to communicate in English too.

No, many of us do not speak polish, some old people might know basics (but only some). And I'm speaking only about eastern Lithuania.
If you know Russian then you have a lot bigger chance to talk with Lithuanian. It is because Russian language was state language for 50 years.
You mentioned that we wouldn't talk Russian because of political reasons, but it is not true. I heard that Latvians and Estonians have such habits, but not Lithuanians. Of course there might be some individuals who doesn't like when somebody speaks to him in Russian.
Furthermore keep in mind that rus people in Lithuania have older history then polish.
IronsideThreads: 59
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Joined: Feb 26, 09 ♂ 		 Sep 18, 11, 20:52    #26
Care to elaborate?

Why would you me to elaborate?
You really should stop using drugs :D

What made you think about drugs?
Furthermore keep in mind that rus people in Lithuania have older history then polish.

Is this rubbish is tech at schools ?
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Why would you me to elaborate?


You accuse of Denial and deflection! Elaborate that.

What made you think about drugs?


One moment you state one thing, next time you oppose yourself. Something is definitely not good with you :D
pawianThreads: 90
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Joined: May 30, 08  Pictures: 2 ♂ 		 Sep 18, 11, 22:03    #28
=piktoonis]And i thought that it was polish government infiltrated, who is now waging propaganda war.

Hey, who started the whole brawl? Poles or Lithuanians?

Of course, it was Lithuanian lawmakers who started it.

What did you expect? That Poles will take it silently?

But Polish reaction is very mild anyway. Let me tell you: Lithuania still is treated with every respect by Polish authorities. They fear that if pushed too hard, you might turn to Russians and become a member of Russian Empire again.
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Is this rubbish is tech at schools ?


What is so troublesome about it?
As I remember bigger part of GDL was made up of lands where Ruthenian language was spoken. Also official languages of GDL was Ruthenian and Latin, Polish became official only in 1697 (for last 100 years).
Poland and Lithuania were allies and afterwards both states united under same banner. But Lithuania had history of its own before that and it kept its own identity in commonwealth.
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Joined: Sep 18, 11 ♂ 		 Sep 18, 11, 23:18    #30
No, many of us do not speak polish, some old people might know basics (but only some). And I'm speaking only about eastern Lithuania.
If you know Russian then you have a lot bigger chance to talk with Lithuanian. It is because Russian language was state language for 50 years.
You mentioned that we wouldn't talk Russian because of political reasons, but it is not true. I heard that Latvians and Estonians have such habits, but not Lithuanians. Of course there might be some individuals who doesn't like when somebody speaks to him in Russian.
Furthermore keep in mind that rus people in Lithuania have older history then polish.

I understand that younger people do not speak Polish, but these "middle-aged" do understand it (at least a bit of it, basic things). I try to speak some Lithuanian when I am in Lithuania (as I mentioned I do not speak Lithuanian well, only basics), but most of Polish people would not know even basics (the same goes with Lithuanian people who I meet in our stores, because people from Eastern Lithuania go shopping to shopping centres in my town).

About Russian - I tried to speak it first time when I was in Lithuania and the reception of it was extremely bad (people were rude to me like I insulted them), plus my family told me it is better to use English if I am not a Russian person, or the best - Lithuanian. So all I wrote is based on what my family told me and my personal experience. I guess you live in Western Lithuania, right? Because all my experience was in the east.

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