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CrowThreads: 367 Posts: 7,316 Joined: Feb 14, 07 ♂ [Suspended]	Edited by: Crow Sep 17, 10, 21:56 #1
Polish interests to determine Zakayev's fate Serbian B92 news / 17 September 2010 \| 12:05 \| Source: Ria novosti http://www.b92.net/eng/news/world-article.php?yyyy=2010&mm=09&dd=17&na v_id=69730 WARSAW -- Poland will only extradite Chechen separatist leader Akhmed Zakayev to Russia if this meets its national interests, Prime Minister Donald Tusk said on Friday.

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Sep 17, 10, 22:00 #2

And what is your opinion on that, Crow? I agree with it, this is Poland's call and not for Russia to try and decide for them. When you consider how many deaths Putin was responsible for in Chechnya, he has no business stirring things up here. Poland has a contingent of Chechens in Pruszków, a former Polish mafia stronghold. They don't want to kick off a war here though this could be a pretext if played wrongly. Tusk is treading on eggshells on this one.

FlaglessPoleThreads: 7 Posts: 1,394 Joined: Aug 19, 10 ♂	Sep 17, 10, 22:35 #3
Seanus: Chechens in Pruszków Interesting, is the Chechen mafia a big problem in Poland and in your opinion what are the main reasons for their presence here? And what about the rest of Eastern Europe? Is Poland their favorite spot?

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Sep 17, 10, 22:37 #4
Not the Chechen mafia, FP, the Polish mafia. Many ordinary Chechens are reputed to live in Pruszków now. That could create conflict.

CrowThreads: 367 Posts: 7,316 Joined: Feb 14, 07 ♂ [Suspended]	Sep 17, 10, 22:53 #5
Seanus: And what is your opinion on that, Crow? never, i mean really never, in their history Serbs allayed itself with non-Slavs against other Slavs

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Sep 17, 10, 22:55 #6
That wasn't what I asked, Crow. Russia wants to hit Zakayev hard but Poland is taking a rights-based approach. Which position do you support?

FlaglessPoleThreads: 7 Posts: 1,394 Joined: Aug 19, 10 ♂	Sep 17, 10, 22:58 #7
Seanus: Chechens are reputed to live in Pruszków I see, I didn't know that. I found this article http://www.radio.cz/en/article/58549 6 years old but it does shed light on ..well my ignorance in this case.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Sep 17, 10, 23:00 #8
There was a thread on it here earlier, FP. If Tusk blocks this guy, he will be ousting a freedom fighter. Poles know a thing or two about fighting for more than freedom. For their very lives in Warsaw.

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Sep 17, 10, 23:07 #9

Seanus:

Which position do you support?

i support any Polish independent choice. Problem is that Poland isn`t independent

if independent, Poland would show respect on Russian sovereignty and internal Russian questions. As part of NATO and EU, Poland simple must provoke Russia.

Now, Russia knows that Poland isn`t independent but Russia needs good relations with Poland. This situation frustrate Russia. Hostile non-Slavs greatly profit from Polish-Russian disputes. This way Poland is eternal hostage of both- of its own `friends` and of Russia. Knowing that only combined action of Poles and Russians may save Serbia on the long run, i truly suffer when again and again Poles and Russians exhausting each others.

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Sep 17, 10, 23:13 #10

Crow:

Problem is that Poland isn`t independent

Learn to use Google sometime.

Crow:

Poland would show respect on Russian sovereignty and internal Russian questions.

No it wouldn't because people have a conscience and they don't like to be responsible for the death of another human being just because Putin thinks he is a terrorist.

Crow:

Now, Russia knows that Poland isn`t independent but Russia needs good relations with Poland

Last I heard their relationship was quite cordial of late. What newspaper do you read?

Crow:

non-Slavs

More than a year in Poland and I have never heard anybody call themselves that.

Crow:

This way Poland is eternal hostage of both

Incase you forgot, Poland has been a russian hostage for a long time and I am sure they don't want to repeat the experience.

Crow:

Knowing that only combined action of Poles and Russians may save Serbia on the long run

Now that was the funniest thing I heard today...

Crow:

i truly suffer when again and again Poles and Russians exhausting each others.

The only sensible sentiment expressed so far!

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Sep 17, 10, 23:29 #11

Raj_ryder:

Learn to use Google sometime.

you google

and please, don`t provoke. i know a lot of about time when Poland was independent. Today, its not the case

Raj_ryder:

No it wouldn't because people have a conscience and they don't like to be responsible for the death of another human being just because Putin thinks he is a terrorist.

Putin isn`t Russia. Then, Russia deserve independence same as any other country in the world. Poland shouldn`t put itself on the side of those who endangering Russian independence, especially when Poland itself isn`t independent.

Raj_ryder:

More than a year in Poland and I have never heard anybody call themselves that.

its above every-day things

Raj_ryder:

Incase you forgot, Poland has been a russian hostage for a long time and I am sure they don't want to repeat the experience.

among else, that`s my point exactly. Poland should choose independence not another masters.

Raj_ryder:

Now that was the funniest thing I heard today...

actually, that happened. It saved us once.

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Sep 17, 10, 23:36 #12

Crow:

Today, its not the case

Enlighten me...who is the colonial master of Poland?

Crow:

Russia deserve independence same as any other country in the world.

As does Chechnya...something I dont expect you to understand.

Crow:

its above every-day things

Yup its deeply personal...they say it in the privacy of their bedrooms..

Crow:

Poland should choose independence not another masters.

Your'e imaginative arent you?

Crow:

actually, that happened. It saved us once.

How about you stop genocide and murder and live with your neighbors peacefully and nobody will have to save you? hows that? ohhh but wait you never did any of those things did you? i mean the media was completely manipulated and they lied to world. Afterall, you dont have a single dishonest bone in your body. Get a mirror man take a long look.

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Edited by: Moderator Sep 17, 10, 23:57 #13

Raj_ryder:

Enlighten me...who is the colonial master of Poland?

its well know fact

Raj_ryder:

As does Chechnya...something I dont expect you to understand.

and Polish politicians are the persons who should learn Russia what is good for Chechnya, Russia and Poland?

crazy

Raj_ryder:

Your'e imaginative arent you?

i`m realistic

Raj_ryder:

you just repeat NATO/EU anti-Serbian war propaganda.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Edited by: Moderator Sep 18, 10, 00:01 #14
Anyway, back to the thread. What is the Polish interest here? Justice and fair play I say :)

CrowThreads: 367 Posts: 7,316 Joined: Feb 14, 07 ♂ [Suspended]	Sep 18, 10, 00:06 #15
Seanus: What is the Polish interest here? it should be survivor of Poland, on the first place. Seanus: Justice and fair play I say :) survivor of Poland is ultimate justice

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Edited by: Seanus Sep 18, 10, 00:09 #16
Why must Poland be caught between a rock and a hard place time and time again? I think Tusk will cave into pressure from Putin. I just hope he analyses the case on its individual merits.

CrowThreads: 367 Posts: 7,316 Joined: Feb 14, 07 ♂ [Suspended]	Edited by: Crow Sep 18, 10, 00:17 #17
Seanus: Why must Poland be caught between a rock and a hard place time and time again? because Serbs are weaken now. If (When) Serbs strengthen, you would see. It would be magical

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Edited by: asik Sep 18, 10, 01:21 #18

Seanus:

Why must Poland be caught between a rock and a hard place time and time again?

I don't think Poland is in such situation, only scared of everything people/nation would see it like that. We, us a nation, were scared and brainwashed for too long.

Mr Zakayev came to Poland to attend Chechen's meeting because he was invited by our Polish Eurodeputy (forgot his name- but this was officialy announced in the press and could be found through google).
The man was officialy found not guilty of crimes in the UK and has a refugee status over there because of that. His 'crimes' were simply fabricated by Russians and we Polish know, it's not for the first time the Russians are more then able to do such things.

Poland doesn't need any further proof of this man innocence because it was already recognised by a free and independent country.

The Russian government cannot dictate what other country should do.
I am really proud that our Polish government is not affraid to show to others, especially to Russia, that they respect freedom, law and order!

To the Crow

Stop that bull..t about Slavs!
I don't think Poland would ever again trust Russia or see them us our brothers - no way! You don't know what are you talking about if you expect this.
You Serbs can freely love them, we don't care what you like or do, until you respect others freedom.

grubasThreads: 20 Posts: 1,452 Joined: Feb 1, 10 ♂	Edited by: grubas Sep 18, 10, 01:29 #19
asik: I am really proud that our Polish government is not affraid to show to others, especially to Russia, that they respect freedom, law and order! It may be a cold winter in Poland this year.Polish goverment needs to worry about Poles not Chechens.If they want to worry about Chechens they should phuck off to Chechnya.Freedom,law and order in Poland?You got to be kidding.

southernThreads: 116 Posts: 10,955 Joined: May 17, 07 ♂	Sep 18, 10, 01:34 #20
Give the terrorist to Russians and everyone will be happy.

asikThreads: 2 Posts: 547 Joined: Feb 17, 09 ♀	Sep 18, 10, 01:35 #21
grubas: It may be a cold winter in Poland this year.Polish goverment needs to worry about Poles not Chechens.If they want to worry about Chechens they should phuck off to Chechnya. Why do you see it as a worry?? The man is innocent and Russia must respect our Polish court decision.

CrowThreads: 367 Posts: 7,316 Joined: Feb 14, 07 ♂ [Suspended]	Edited by: Crow Sep 18, 10, 01:42 #22
Zakayev has Russian blood on his hands, blood of innocent people. Poland shouldn`t side with him If he was freedom fighter as he call itself his targets would be exclusively armed Russian personal but no, he chooses to terrorize civilians. No shelter for terrorists in Poland!

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Edited by: grubas Sep 18, 10, 01:48 #23

asik:

The man is innocent and Russia must respect our Polish court decision

And how do you know it?Regardless is he innocent or not Poland needs to avoid being caught between rock and hard place.Who had this idea about organizing this congress in Poland?Must have been some anti Polish phuck.

southern:

Give the terrorist to Russians and everyone will be happy.

Agree but not for free.Favor for favor.

asikThreads: 2 Posts: 547 Joined: Feb 17, 09 ♀	Sep 18, 10, 01:55 #24
Crow: Zakayev has Russian blood on his hands, blood of innocent people. Poland shouldn`t side with him Crow it is not up to me to decide if it is true what you write or not. There is no proof the man is terrorist and Poland must follow it's court decision.

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Edited by: Crow Sep 18, 10, 02:09 #25

asik:

You Serbs can freely love them, we don't care what you like or do, until you respect others freedom.

Racowie has quite nice sense for freedom. Poles knows it very well

asik:

I don't think Poland would ever again trust Russia or see them us our brothers - no way! You don't know what are you talking about if you expect this.

Poland will, Poland will. Just because Serbs wants that, because it suits us

and Russians would apologize to Poland as many times as it is necessary to Poles

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Sep 18, 10, 02:40 #26

Interesting information

Russia is testing Polish government and some details from the article:

Zakajev freely visited Poland before, actually three times this year . No-one was after him, no-one even heard about his arrest warrant issued by Russia. His previous visit was just three weeks earlier.....
...This Chechen Conference is kind of a test to see how free of Russian's influence and independent is Polish government...... and was organised by Denis Teps the President of this Conference who is seen as possible agent of Russian KGB.....

Ahmed Zakajew jest poszukiwany międzynarodowym listem gończym. Tuż przed Kongresem rzecznik prasowy prokuratury zapewnił, że jeśli tylko Zakajew przyjedzie do Polski, zostanie aresztowany. Tymczasem w tym roku był w Polsce już trzy razy, m.in. trzy tygodnie temu, by zapiąć przygotowania do Kongresu na ostatni guzik. Wcześniej nie tylko nie został aresztowany, ale w ogóle nie było dyskusji na ten temat. Dlaczego służby bezpieczeństwa przypomniały sobie teraz o nakazie aresztowania?

To prawda, Zakajew był wcześniej w Polsce, ale nie został aresztowany. Obecny Kongres i przybycie Zakajewa są sprawdzianem dla polskiego rządu – czy jest wolny od wpływów rosyjskich, czy jest krajem suwerennym, niezależnym od Rosji, czy jest w stanie samodzielnie kształtować swoją politykę.

More here:
http://konflikty.wp.pl/kat,1020377,title,Czy-kongres-Czeczenow-jest-sp onsorowany-przez-Rosjan,wid,12674766,wiadomosc.html?ticaid=1ae7a

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Sep 18, 10, 11:50 #27

Asik, I meant according to the prevailing tide of international relations. Tusk doesn't have the balls of LK, neither does Kommie. He knew, in many areas, what the Polish interest was. Lech fought for regional justice in Kosovo and Georgia. Now, I supported the Russian position in Georgia but there was some reason to support Georgia against the heavy-handedness of the Ruskies. I just hope that Tusk isn't a floater on this one.

CrowThreads: 367 Posts: 7,316 Joined: Feb 14, 07 ♂ [Suspended]	Edited by: Crow Sep 18, 10, 12:12 #28
Polish interests to determine Zakayev's fate well, Zakayev is past then Zakayev's fate in Poland (moze spat spokojne) deal is deal

king polkakamonThreads: 1 Posts: 1,018 Joined: Dec 30, 09 ♂	Sep 18, 10, 12:38 #29
grubas: southern: Give the terrorist to Russians and everyone will be happy. Agree but not for free.Favor for favor. You can keep one of his ears in Poland.

CrowThreads: 367 Posts: 7,316 Joined: Feb 14, 07 ♂ [Suspended]	Edited by: Crow Sep 18, 10, 12:55 #30
king polkakamon: You can keep one of his ears in Poland. hahahah hhahahah hahahahah ahahahahaha hahahah true. Let that Polish nightclub guardian with the saber deal with him. Whack his ear for the good of Poland

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