Donald Tusk's Government Continues to Oppress Poles

Donald Tusk, following in the footsteps of his predecessor in the office
of Generalgouverneur

VIVA LA REVOLUTION.....Jeszcze Polska nie zginela.

Donald Tusk, following in the footsteps of his predecessor in the office
of Generalgouverneur - Hans Frank, continues the oppression of Polish
population, concentrating his efforts on Polish families with children.

Nice attempt a trying to deflect from the late president's pardoning of a crook linked to his son in law.

I agree with the policy if you are on welfare, you should not be subsidized to have children.

can only be opposed by a leftist.

It is also worth bearing in mind that although they have increased the VAT rate on other things, thy have lowered VAT on food.

Why do the Polish public let them get away with it?

Was it better under Russian rule ?

Poland was allowed to maintain the exception for baby clothes until now by the EU

As I always say - accept the EU decision, or leave. Poland's choice

it's not something that can be blamed on Tusk or indeed the current Government at all

Interestingly enough other countries, like for example Great Britain or Luxembourg are still allowed to maintain the low VAT rates (0% and 3% respectively.)

I am merely reporting anti-Polish, anti-family policies of Der Generalgouverneur
Tusk.

For those of you who can't read Polish - the cost of raising a child in Poland
(until he/she is 20 years old) is PLN 190,000 and for two children it's 322,000.

The almost 300% rise of baby wares VAT, is a perfect continuation of German WW2 nazi policy of oppressing Polish population.

Polish public is stupified by the government-controlled media and manipulated by primitive
sociotechnics: if you are with PO - you are intelligent, modern, educated, true European;
if you are against PO - you are xenophobic, anti-semite, backwards disgrace and you should
be ashamed of yourself. Primitive sociotechnics, but it works on a society stupified by Gazeta
Wyborcza, TVN and other mainstream media.

Interestingly enough, other countries like, for example, Great Britain or Luxembourg are still
allowed to maintain the low VAT rates (0% and 3% respectively.)

Yes, it is. Even if this was overlooked in negotiations before, there has been discussion about
it for the last 3-4 years and the government had enough time to negotiate the maintaining
of lower rates (as it's been done by other EU members, in many other matters in the past,
re-negotiation of terms is nothing extraordinary or new in the European Union.)

How about starting to concentrate on quality and not quantity, win!

Given that your city has never been under the rule of Der Generalgouverneur

So you mean that a person must pay 41,800zl as VAT on the cost of raising a child. How does
that compare to the cost of educating that child and providing health care to it? And don't
forget about the tax breaks available to parents.

The simple fact is that people who are selfish enough to have lots of children have long been subsidised by people who have none.

Which is only fair, given that so many (of the people in America who claim to be) Poles support
the continuation of WWII Nazi policy regarding the racial purity in Germany.

How about starting to concentrate on quality and not quantity, win!

Yet - when asked if they want to have Scandinavian style taxation, they point blank refuse.

The sad truth is that Poles simply wont admit it - but they grew up on social welfare and now that it's being taken away from them

Well, it is now.

The cost of educating a child, that parents have to afford (from primary school to university), is calculated at about PLN 60,000 (assuming that the child attends public schools where you don't have to pay monthly fees). That brings the basic cost of raising and educating
a child to about PLN 250,000 - the cost that is, of course, paid by the parents. For two
children it would be about 440,000 and for three, 620,000. Tax breaks cover only a small
friction of the cost.

I think common sense and simple logic would suggest that it's exactly the opposite.

The well-being of any society depends on the work of current and future generations.
Having and educating children is beneficial for the entire society, whilst the cost of it
rests, in the overwhelming part, on the parents.

When you take two people, with the same income - one of which has no children
and the other who has three, then the former will have on average PLN 620,000 more at
his disposal than the latter (who can hardly feel discriminated having over $200,000 to
spend on his own needs.)

Americans and Germans interest me vaguely. Well-being of Polish families, however, interests me a lot. Hence I protest against nazi politics aimed against them.

The well-being of any society depends on the work of current and future generations.
Having and educating children is beneficial for the entire society, whilst the cost of it
rests, in the overwhelming part, on the parents.

When you take two people, with the same income - one of which has no children
and the other who has three, then the former will have on average PLN 620,000 more at
his disposal than the latter (who can hardly feel discriminated having over $200,000 to
spend on his own needs.)

As the prophet observed: Quit rutting, just for a fuccking day. Let's work out this food/air deal. Then go back to your rutting.

In that case you should just vote to return to the Fatherland proper!

If I wanted to run a pair of Porsches for 21 years, I imagine that the cost would be more than
440,000 but do you hear me whining about the state not giving me tax breaks to do that?

Not at all: there are more than enough people on the planet and no shortage of people who
want to come and live in Poland without first being a financial burden on the state.

How much more would he have if he hadn't subsidised the selfish person's lifestyle choices?

Capital that can be invested in things like businesses that will provide future jobs of those children that you mention.

we should all just buy a couple of luxury cars and stop having children
at all.

But you see, I am a bit old-fashioned, and whilst I am not against immigration per se, I can't force myself to think of replacing young Poles with hordes of third world immigrants as being beneficial for Poland.

I don't know, but to have $200,000 extra in your pocket is still not too bad, as well as having someone who wipes your a** when you're not able to do it yourself, and that someone had to be born and raised by someone else - which required not only financial input but also sacrificing a lot of time and effort.

Sure, I don't deny that. I'm only against calling the person, who has 200 thousand bucks extra, in his pocket, "discriminated" :)

So you are putting your own views ahead of what is best for Poland

How much more would it be if I hadn't had to subsidise the children of the selfish?

The person has that extra money because he chose not to spend it on children.

He did not choose to subsidise the children of the selfish but he was forced to do so anyway.

The outragingly selfish individual in question, received much more from both his parents
and society, than he spent "subsidising" the children of unselfish people, who were willing
to sacrifice their money, time and effort for the future generations.

If they were worried about future generations, why didn't said unselfish people adopt instead of having their own child?

Not really. I simply think that, whilst economic benefits of mass immigration are undeniable, there are also downsides of it, which may overweight the benefits. My opinion seems to be shared by practically all the governments in the World, who, in one form or another, limit
the immigration to their countries.

Interestingly enough, the centre, which supports free market and economic freedom, also supports low taxes for families and considers raising children to be beneficial for the society

Too bad the parents of said person didn't choose to spend their money on something
else than raising such selfish individual.

Could you tell us what the Adam Smith centre thinks should not be subject to low taxes?

You want other people to pay for your lifestyle choice

and you are calling other people selfish?!

I have heard that our current FM J.V. Rostowski cancelled the tax deduction for couples having children (it was about 1200 PLN per child a year) for the tax year of 2011 (and if PO rules on possibly coming years) - this is really a hard blow for low income famillies with children - 1200 out of hand - anybody correct it if I am wrong on the issue

continues the oppression of Polish
population, concentrating his efforts on Polish families with children.

I don't need support from the state and will be OK with or without
it.

Only in response to your calling other people selfish, whilst in reality they sacrifice much more in money, time and effort than they receive from the state, so calling them "selfish"
is nonsensical.

Polish families, and what is more disgraceful - the poorest families, very often living in poverty, are being persecuted constantly by Tusk's government.

Planning to send your kids to private school and university are you?

And always and only private health care?

I, on the other hand, am forced to pay taxes which subsidise their children.

Seeing as you are well enough off to not need state help and as you are so firmly in favour of
families, why don't you find a poor family and give them from your own pocket the money
which they have lost because of this tax break being removed? I mean really, it's about 300zl
per family.

Maybe. I haven't thought about it yet - depends if the quality of private schools and universities in Poland improve significantly. At the moment, the state education seems to be more reliable.

But you only have that money because there are people (also children) who want to learn English, so you have clients that pay you.

As I said, if there weren't people, mostly young people, willing to learn English - you wouldn't have come to Poland in the first place

Actually, I am giving more than that to a family that is currently not too well off. I am paying their rent and bills, and will continue to do so until they stand more firmly on their feet (of course they are related to me, so you will probably tell me that, deep inside, I am just
being selfish again.)