Euro 2012: Budget cuts delay road construction in Poland

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Edited by: PennBoy Dec 29, 10, 19:51 #1

According to the 2010 budget, road construction expenses were to total zł.38.6 billion in 2011 and zł.33.3 billion in 2012. Daily Rzeczpospolita reports, though, that Warsaw is now looking to cut zł.19 billion from the 2011-2012 budget. It will still be more money spent than ever before just less than hoped.

http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D9KC9MDG3.htm

http://www.wbj.pl/article-52128-road-construction-cuts-may-hit-poland- hard.html

http://biznes.gazetaprawna.pl/artykuly/468424,w_2011_roku_bedzie_mniej _pieniedzy_na_autostrady_i_drogi_ekspresowe.html

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Dec 30, 10, 23:16 #2
I wouldn't trust the figures here at all, PennBoy. They'd love us to all believe that they are dipping deep into the coffers to address perennial problems due to their increased revenue through tax. There is much distortion but this isn't strictly a Polish phenomenon, of course.

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Dec 30, 10, 23:46 #3

Seanus:

I wouldn't trust the figures here at all, PennBoy. They'd love us to all believe that they are dipping deep into the coffers to address perennial problems

Whether the figures are correct or not the faster the motorways and expressways are built the better. I know much has changes in the last 20 years, but for a central European country to have roads like that or major cities not having a metro, is embarrassing. Roads, airports, railways built investors will come.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Dec 30, 10, 23:51 #4
True, one is a corollary of the other. Modernisation cannot be done on the cheap and cuts across the board. Spending now will likely be recouped in the future due to 2012 :)

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Dec 30, 10, 23:58 #5

PennBoy:

Whether the figures are correct or not the faster the motorways and expressways are built the better. I know much has changes in the last 20 years, but for a central European country to have roads like that or major cities not having a metro, is embarrassing. Roads, airports, railways built investors will come.

I wholeheartedly agree, I would only add that embarrassment is not the real issue but Poland's economic future, to a large degree, depends on it's infrastructure.

I hope your figures are wrong, I saw this thread last night but I had nothing to add, still nothing but my opinion I suppose.

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Dec 31, 10, 00:14 #6

Seanus:

Modernisation cannot be done on the cheap and cuts across the board

I don't like the fact that the Chinese are building roads and doing in for much less, you can't cut corners without a price, in this case quality. I thought the whole purpose of the European Union was for the countries to stick together and help one another like through announcing tenders and letting an EU company win the contract.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Dec 31, 10, 00:17 #7
That's certainly not the whole purpose, PB. You are describing CCT, a hallmark of Thatcher's 1980's Britain. In the EU, you go with where the business is but CCT doesn't solely determine that. The Chinese are just cheaper labour and perhaps a roundabout way of increasing partnership there.

IronsideThreads: 59 Posts: 6,786 Joined: Feb 26, 09 ♂	Dec 31, 10, 00:31 #8
the fukkers wont build much

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Dec 31, 10, 01:09 #9

Even the expressways are lookin' nice like the S8 around Warsaw.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Dec 31, 10, 01:27 #10
It looks like a fancy drag racing track :) :) I hope they can pull off style with practicality as Poland is crying out for that.

wildroverThreads: 180 Posts: 8,188 Joined: Jun 7, 07 ♂	Dec 31, 10, 16:04 #11
Seanus: It looks like a fancy drag racing track Do they have any drag racing tracks in Poland...? its very popular in Sweden..but not heard of anything in Polska...?

milkyThreads: 10 Posts: 1,229 Joined: Oct 26, 09 ♀	Dec 31, 10, 16:11 #12
PennBoy: ether the figures are correct or not the faster the motorways and expressways are built the better. In Ireland we had a growing industry and sh1t roads,now we have wonderful motor-ways and a fleeing industry.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Dec 31, 10, 16:12 #13
I don't think so, wildie. I was thinking America more. They do look good, those plans.

wildroverThreads: 180 Posts: 8,188 Joined: Jun 7, 07 ♂	Dec 31, 10, 16:19 #14
There are some great new roads being made in Poland....I just hope they are as good as they look...and have not been made with cheap labour and sub standard materials...

PennBoyThreads: 157 Posts: 3,443 Joined: Dec 7, 08 ♂	Edited by: PennBoy Dec 31, 10, 16:50 #15
Seanus: It looks like a fancy drag racing track I see what you're saying but it's just that part of it that looks like that because it's so straight and has the grass in between and on the sides of the road looking like race track, look at the same road S8 just north of Warsaw.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Dec 31, 10, 18:04 #16
Right! This change was long in coming and I fear that certain regions will take precedence over others. The roads are in a sorry state here and that's the main reason I spent 3 days in hospital. I lost concentration, then couldn't brake in time for a big hole. I hope local MPs do their jobs and report on the seriousness of the situation.

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Dec 31, 10, 18:36 #17

Seanus:

The roads are in a sorry state here and that's the main reason I spent 3 days in hospital. I lost concentration, then couldn't brake in time for a big hole.

Sorry to hear that. Once they build good surfaced smooth dual carriageways with barriers on the sides, no intersections or pedestrian crossings the roads should be alot safer. Another thing everyone wants roads like that but no one wants them running near their homes, residents are also slowing down progress.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Dec 31, 10, 19:08 #18
It's one thing when the people laugh at the state of the roads but it's quite another when the govt does it too ;)

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Dec 31, 10, 19:13 #19

Personally, I'd much rather see dwindling funds be spent on upgrading rail lines and services. In the long term it will prove to be a much better investment. Why waste money repeating the mistakes of others? Perhaps there is a better thread for continuing that discussion. The ICE (Internal Combustion Engine) age is drawing to a close. Why should Poland bother attempting to look like 1990 America? Just skip over it and move on!

PennBoyThreads: 157 Posts: 3,443 Joined: Dec 7, 08 ♂	Dec 31, 10, 19:17 #20
PPP Private Public Partnership to pay for the last section of the Warsaw-Kukuryki A2 motorway to the Belorussian border, with the government paying back the loan over 20 years?

delphiandomineThreads: 42 Posts: 9,954 Joined: Nov 25, 08 ♂ [Suspended]	Jan 2, 11, 21:22 #21
PennBoy: PPP Private Public Partnership to pay for the last section of the Warsaw-Kukuryki A2 motorway to the Belorussian border, with the government paying back the loan over 20 years? Ugh. Should just be tolled and be damned with it.

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