Europeén Union will finance the 2nd Warsaw metro line. Good news.

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Sep 25, 11, 10:47 #1

More improvements scheduled for the Capital of Poland!

The EU is to finance some 2.77 billion zloty (619 million euro) of the construction of the 2nd line of the Warsaw metro /Tube/Subway, almost 50 percent of the 5.92 billion zloty pricetag of the entire investment.
The first line took 25 years to be completed and this one will be done by 2014 the medias say.

The line will go from West (Wola)to East(Praga), less than 7 kilometers which makes the cost of the kilometer one of the most expensive in Europe.

If there are any Anti European Union Polish people i am curious to know what they have to say and curious to know too if people are looking forward to this new metro line and why.

wielki panThreads: 3 Posts: 278 Joined: Jan 7, 11 ♂	Sep 25, 11, 11:01 #2
if people are looking forward to this new metro line and why. Who is paying for it and is it a loan?

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Sep 25, 11, 11:52 #3

With 67.3 Billions of Euros for the period 2007-2013 Poland is the country in Europe which benefits the most from the European Union structural Funds.

Who is paying ? the European Union is.

The Warsaw metro will be half financed by Polish taxes I assume.

If it is a public service like in Paris France not like in London UK it means that all of Poland will finance the Capital 's metro even cities which will not have any metro lines.

I think it is money well spent because our cities in Europe have to develop public transportations to avoid traffic jams, car pollution etc.

Grzegorz_Threads: 81 Posts: 6,213 Joined: Nov 16, 06 ♂	Sep 25, 11, 13:09 #4
which makes the cost of the kilometer one of the most expensive in Europe. LOL ! That's an achievement of any kind ? Who is paying ? the European Union is. The European (German, British, Polish etc.) taxpayers are. Their money are taken away, largely wasted on huge "European" bureaucracy, the rest is spent on such overpriced (corruption and/or incompetence) project. What's so cool in it ?

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Sep 25, 11, 13:43 #5

The European (German, British, Polish etc.) taxpayers are. Their money are taken away, largely wasted on huge "European" bureaucracy, the rest is spent on such overpriced (corruption and/or incompetence) project. What's so cool in it ?

Indeed.

It would be interesting to find out exactly how much each nation's contribution is. Leeds had its planned tram system cancelled due to lack of funds (less than £1billion iirc), and Manchester's Metrolink has had its expansion delayed. I wonder how much of the money "saved" will actually correspond to the money spent on this new line.

That's not to say that Warsaw doesn't need it (it does), but it's becoming more and more clear that as the UK becomes poorer, Poland becomes "richer". Saying that "the EU pays" just hides who ultimately pays - other member states, who also don't really "pay" - it's actually their taxpayers who pay.

There's only one pie; if someone takes a bigger piece, someone else always gets a smaller one. Despite what banks and governments think, you just can't create another "pie" out of nothing ;)

antheadsThreads: 13 Posts: 306 Joined: Jan 21, 11 ♂	Edited by: antheads Sep 25, 11, 13:43 #6
a WASTE of money as its a repklication of existing rail lines and fast urban rail (skm) that are under utilised in the city. The fact that the two metro lines are not joined and one will have to walk 500 metres to change lines just goes to show what a incompetent and scam project this is.

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Edited by: Moderator Sep 25, 11, 14:28 #7

a WASTE of money

Really? Again with your rampant anti-Polish views, you seem to be utterly uneducated as to what this line will bring.

as its a repklication of existing rail lines and fast urban rail (skm) that are under utilised in the city.

Under utilised? Since...when? The existing rail lines are no use for commuter transport, and the SKM is useless for people who live along the line 2 corridor. The addition of a station at Nowy Swiat will make a huge difference, too. And Warsaw needs another crossing of the Wisla for redundancy purposes - relying on the Cross City Line is utter stupidity.

Line 1 is almost constantly full of people - what makes you think that Line 2 won't be the same, especially once the eastern bank suburbs are connected up?

The fact that the two metro lines are not joined and one will have to walk 500 metres to change lines just goes to show what a incompetent and scam project this is.

That's an idiotic comment if there ever was one - it's certainly not a "fact".

Of course, you're welcome to tell me what's going on at Świętokrzyska - oh, let's see...both Lines 1 and 2 will have stops there! I mean, I take it you haven't personally seen the construction work there...

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Edited by: Sidliste_Chodov Sep 25, 11, 14:50 #8

Again with your rampant anti-Polish views

Ahem...

Under utilised? Since...when? The existing rail lines are no use for commuter transport, and the SKM is useless for people who live along the line 2 corridor. The addition of a station at Nowy Swiat will make a huge difference, too. And Warsaw needs another crossing of the Wisla for redundancy purposes - relying on the Cross City Line is utter stupidity.

We will never agree on anything, but this is spot on. It's a shame they can't (or won't) expand the rail line near the airport to actually serve the airport; an increasingly important city like this should consider this to be on its list of priorities. Even a tram link would be better. Manchester will soon have both, and it's not even a capital.

Of course, you're welcome to tell me what's going on at Świętokrzyska - oh, let's see...both Lines 1 and 2 will have stops there! I mean, I take it you haven't personally seen the construction work there...

I think he means that there will still be a 500m walk to Centralna, which is a point.

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Edited by: delphiandomine Sep 25, 11, 14:54 #9

Ahem...

Mine are anti-Polack, which are basically anti-racist Polish American ;) I like Poland and Poles, just not those who never visit and yet regard themselves as being experts on this place.

We will never agree on anything, but this is spot on. It's a shame they can't (or won't) expand the rail line near the airport to actually serve the airport; an increasingly important city like this should consider this to be on its list of priorities. Even a tram link would be better. Manchester will soon have both, and it's not even a capital.

Isn't there a rail link being built at the moment? I thought this was one of the things for Euro 2012 that were being built...I could be wrong though.

I found this - http://www.ztm.waw.pl/informacje.php?i=77&c=98&l=1

But really, this will just put even more pressure on the Cross City lines - which makes Line 2 even more important. And once they get the metro extended to Dw. Wschodni - people arriving from the East will be able to get off there and take the metro straight into the centre rather than messing around with Centralna too.

The only thing that I think they should do is to connect Dw. Zachodni to Line 2 somehow - that would really take the pressure off the cross-city lines and Centralna!

Sidliste_ChodovThreads: 2 Posts: 683 Joined: Jul 27, 11 ♂	Edited by: Sidliste_Chodov Sep 25, 11, 14:58 #10
Isn't there a rail link being built at the moment? I thought this was one of the things for Euro 2012 that were being built...I could be wrong though. I found this - http://www.ztm.waw.pl/informacje.php?i=77&c=98&l=1 heh! Missed that one! :) I think Poland is moving faster than I do these days, lol We will never agree on anything, everything, duh. lol

polmedThreads: 2 Posts: 274 Joined: Sep 25, 11 ♀	Sep 25, 11, 15:00 #11
Other , older member EU states contributed in getting EU funds earlier , now it is time for Poland to become beneficiary , but it doesn`t mean that UK , Italy , France , Netherlands or Germany didn`t build their infrastructure for EU funds . Soon Poland will become a netto tax payer in EU budget , so Polish taxpayers will pay more than the state will receive from UE .

Sidliste_ChodovThreads: 2 Posts: 683 Joined: Jul 27, 11 ♂	Sep 25, 11, 15:23 #12
The only thing that I think they should do is to connect Dw. Zachodni to Line 2 somehow - that would really take the pressure off the cross-city lines and Centralna! It would become the Clapham Junction of Warsaw. It's already as depressing, it just needs to become as busy, lol :)

antheadsThreads: 13 Posts: 306 Joined: Jan 21, 11 ♂	Sep 25, 11, 16:23 #13
yes there is a rail link being built to okęncie, but one will have to walk 200metre, with their luggage to the terminal!

Sidliste_ChodovThreads: 2 Posts: 683 Joined: Jul 27, 11 ♂	Sep 25, 11, 16:28 #14
yes there is a rail link being built to okęncie, but one will have to walk 200metre, with their luggage to the terminal! To be fair, that's the same as anywhere; you can't really expect them to build the terminal right next to the bag drop lol. Even HKIA isn't that efficient.

PWEIThreads: 5 Posts: 894 Joined: Jul 28, 11 ♂	Sep 25, 11, 16:41 #15
the two metro lines are not joined Next time you're in Warsaw I'll show you where the lines will connect and then buy you a beer in the very decent bistro 50 metres away.

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Sep 25, 11, 16:49 #16

yes there is a rail link being built to okęncie, but one will have to walk 200metre, with their luggage to the terminal!

200 metres? That's nothing, and anyway, the station is actually being built underneath the new terminal.

Try to rein in your anti-Polishness, it makes you look rather foolish when you keep lying.

Next time you're in Warsaw I'll show you where the lines will connect and then buy you a beer in the very decent bistro 50 metres away.

You'll be waiting a long time for that visit...

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Edited by: antheads Sep 25, 11, 16:55 #17

@delphiasinine

200 metres? That's nothing, and anyway, the station is actually being built underneath the new terminal.

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No it will not, the underground link terminates 200m from the terminal, the passengers will then climb the stairs or catch the lift and will a walk along a walkway to the terminal. Hopefully it will be protected from the elements.
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Sep 25, 11, 17:11 #18

It's a shame they can't (or won't) expand the rail line near the airport to actually serve the airport; an increasingly important city like this should consider this to be on its list of priorities. Even a tram link would be better.

Warsaw would indeed deserve a direct fast public transportation to and from the airport.

In Krakow the Balice shuttle was also financed by the EU and it is working extremely well , the journey is 20 mns and at a cheap rate ( about 10 zl 1 way from the airport to Glwony Dorzec the main Krakow station in the center).

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Edited by: antheads Sep 25, 11, 17:20 #19

this is how the entrance of the new line 2 stations will look like

[imgs=http://warszawa.gazeta.pl/warszawa/5,95190,7220442,Tak_maja_wygl adac_wnetrza_przyszlych_stacji_metra.html?i=8]INside station[/imgs]

http://warszawa.gazeta.pl/warszawa/5,95190,7220442,Tak_maja_wygladac_w netrza_przyszlych_stacji_metra.html?i=7 This is how the stations will look inside, very bright and like a kids playground! :)
And this is video of the construction sight at the warsaw stadium, notice how close the existing rail line passes to the future metro station!

LwowskaKrakowThreads: 49 Posts: 504 Joined: Mar 9, 07 MEMBER ♀	Sep 25, 11, 17:26 #20
Not a very practical ROOF when it SNOWS in Winter!

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Sep 25, 11, 17:38 #21

No it will not, the underground link terminates 200m from the terminal, the passengers will then climb the stairs or catch the lift and will a walk along a walkway to the terminal.

I don't know why he thinks that's a long way. It's nothing! Have you ever used Heathrow Terminal 1? I nearly missed a flight there once, and it was a five-minute run from security to the gate - not walk, but RUN - and that's after the half-mile walk from the tube station! Try that with the kind of luggage Australians always seem to have! lol.

The only way you will have everything within a few metres of a terminal is if you use an airport like Doncaster - but that's about the size of a McDonalds lol.

Not a very practical ROOF when it SNOWS in Winter!

There's going to be a VERY large pile of snow at the back of that entrance lol!

antheadsThreads: 13 Posts: 306 Joined: Jan 21, 11 ♂	Sep 25, 11, 17:41 #22
I don't know why he thinks that's a long way. It's nothing! Have you ever used Heathrow Terminal 1? I nearly missed a flight there once, and it was a five-minute run from security to the gate - not walk, but RUN - and that's after the half-mile walk from the tube station! o.k point taken :) i guess the difference here is going outside again, esp if its winter..

LwowskaKrakowThreads: 49 Posts: 504 Joined: Mar 9, 07 MEMBER ♀	Sep 25, 11, 17:48 #23
this is how the entrance of the new line 2 stations will look like I find these Metro entrances really tacky and unpractical , can't they commission a good designer for the money which will go into the project?

Grzegorz_Threads: 81 Posts: 6,213 Joined: Nov 16, 06 ♂	Sep 25, 11, 18:05 #24
EU is reducing competitiveness of Polish economy by things like draconian limitis on CO2 emissions, so It's damaging the real economy and create artificial one fueled on overpriced public investments. Very good... for economy analphabets...

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Edited by: delphiandomine Sep 25, 11, 18:24 #25

EU is reducing competitiveness of Polish economy by things like draconian limitis on CO2 emissions

Draconian? Given the vast amount of pollution that Poland chucks into the air, if she wants to benefit from the EU, she needs to accept that you can't just pollute everything for everyone else. She's always free to leave the EU, stop the grants and start queuing for hours on the border again.

And this is video of the construction sight at the warsaw stadium, notice how close the existing rail line passes to the future metro station!

Very sensible, means that the metro station Stadion and the future Dw. Stadion will be able to take away the crowds and there will be redundancy in the system - so if one tunnel is closed, people can still get across to the West bank.

so It's damaging the real economy and create artificial one fueled on overpriced public investments.

Hahaha. The Polish economy was always based on overpriced public investments - or have you forgotten the shipyards, the steelworks, the mines, etc?

Grzegorz_Threads: 81 Posts: 6,213 Joined: Nov 16, 06 ♂	Sep 25, 11, 18:55 #26
Delphi, If you don't see a difference between companies actually producing something and a damn metro than you are either an idiot or a troll. Given the vast amount Which vast amount ? Poland is emitting less CO2 than Germany UK or Spain, even per capita. Hahaha. http://pl.memgenerator.pl/mem-image/hahaha-hahahaha-pl-ffffff

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Sep 25, 11, 19:05 #27

Delphi, If you don't see a difference between companies actually producing something and a damn metro than you are either an idiot or a troll.

Industrial output rose by over 8% by the last measures - what's the problem?

We have public infrastructure projects AND decent growth in private industry. Win-win, I'd say.

Which vast amount ? Poland is emitting less CO2 than Germany UK or Spain, even per capita.

What's the issue, then? Poland will find it easier than those three to meet the targets.

KingAthelstanThreads: 14 Posts: 225 Joined: Sep 13, 11 ♂	Edited by: KingAthelstan Sep 25, 11, 19:09 #28
The EU is to finance some 2.77 billion zloty (619 million euro) whose money is this? It's British and German and French tax payer money. Britain is in a recession we don't have enough money to build your infrastructure.

delphiandomineThreads: 42 Posts: 9,954 Joined: Nov 25, 08 ♂ [Suspended]	Edited by: delphiandomine Sep 25, 11, 19:11 #29
It's British and German and French tax payer money. Britain is in a recession we don't have enough money to build your infrastructure. Aww. My heart bleeds. I can't wait to use the British-subsidised metro with the cheap tickets.

KingAthelstanThreads: 14 Posts: 225 Joined: Sep 13, 11 ♂	Sep 25, 11, 19:16 #30
I can't wait to use the British-subsidised metro with the cheap tickets. You just wait till Britain leaves the EU and Germany leaves the Eurozone, you will be out in the cold begging for handouts.

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