€11,700 to every migrant returning to the Polish capital and starting a business there.

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Sep 24, 10, 17:31 #1

The Polish authorities have tried to encourage migrants to return to the country. The city of Warsaw said Friday it will give €11,700 to every migrant returning to the Polish capital and starting a business there. Part of the cash incentive is financed with EU funds.

http://blogs.wsj.com/new-europe/2010/09/24/14-million-poles-leave-in-e u-brain-drain/

Will this work? Not a bad deal in my opinion...

pgtxThreads: 49 Posts: 6,327 Joined: Feb 14, 09 MEMBER ♀	Sep 24, 10, 17:33 #2
David_18: Will this work? Not a bad deal in my opinion. lol... of course not... the Polish goverment should better take care of an affordable housing for your people, lower unemployment and better paid jobs... that's some start...

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Sep 24, 10, 17:48 #3

pgtx:

lol... of course not..

I hope some ppl will go for it and start some lucrative businesses :)

pgtx:

the Polish goverment should better take care of an affordable housing for your people, lower unemployment and better paid jobs... that's some start...

Yea the salaries are a joke in the public sector. I heard the goverment wanted to freeze the salarie growth next year to save some cash in the public sector.

ow even found the article here
http://www.gulf-times.com/site/topics/article.asp?cu_no=2&item_no=3875 81&version=1&template_id=39&parent_id=21

convexThreads: 46 Posts: 7,185 Joined: Nov 25, 09 ♂	Sep 24, 10, 17:58 #4
David_18: hope some ppl will go for it and start some lucrative businesses :) Wondering how much training these people will get on how to run a business...smelling squandered money...

David_18Threads: 111 Posts: 1,212 Joined: Jan 4, 07 ♂	Sep 24, 10, 18:03 #5
convex: Wondering how much training these people will get on how to run a business...smelling squandered money... This picture is all the training they need!!!! :D

HarryThreads: 62 Posts: 8,508 Joined: May 2, 07 ♂ [Suspended]	Sep 24, 10, 18:13 #6
David_18: The city of Warsaw said Friday it will give €11,700 to every migrant returning to the Polish capital and starting a business there. Part of the cash incentive is financed with EU funds. I'd be interested to see how they get discriminating against other EU nationals past EU law.

WroclawThreads: 77 Posts: 7,404 Joined: Apr 1, 06 ♂ [Moderator]	Sep 24, 10, 18:28 #7
David_18: The Polish authorities have tried to encourage migrants to return to the country i have no idea what percentage of migrants are involved in work they actually trained for. i'd give the cash to those who stayed behind, are qualified and show an excellent business plan. why reward people for jumping ship ?

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Sep 24, 10, 19:16 #8

Wroclaw:

why reward people for jumping ship ?

I think it's more about to get back their "invested money"

Poland invested heavily in those 1.4 milj ppl who choose not to return to Poland, so a 11k bribe is a very small fee they pay to "maybe" get some ppl back.

Try to calculate how much the state spends on healtcare/School/public sector for each person from 0-18 year old and multiplie that with 1.4milj!!!!!

I know some people might say "well we paid our taxes so we can do whatever we want" That is true but still those "tax money" will now be in some other country and work their ass off as cheap labour. So that country wins since they didn't have to provide anything for you in those 18 years and still they get the same labour for an even cheaper price!!!! So Poland looses BIG TIME.

convexThreads: 46 Posts: 7,185 Joined: Nov 25, 09 ♂	Sep 24, 10, 19:21 #9
David_18: I think it's more about to get back their "invested money" Yea, because what Poland really needs right now are a million economists, philologists, psychologists, and sociologists. They can come back and help drive wages for unskilled labor down even further.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Sep 24, 10, 19:23 #10
I agree with Wrocław. Furthermore, why should the EU fund this? Why doesn't the Polish government not dip into its own coffers for once? The EU should not bail out Polish incompetence. We are always told that the smartest people in the world are here so let's see it. Other entrepreneurs raise funds in their own way so why not here?

SeanBMThreads: 41 Posts: 8,727 Joined: Mar 10, 08 ♂	Sep 24, 10, 19:28 #11
convex: smelling squandered money... I'm smelling sentimental voters making the government react, unfortunately in a mindless way. Wroclaw: i'd give the cash to those who stayed behind, are qualified and show an excellent business plan. Or to foreigners who work here :)

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Sep 24, 10, 19:37 #12

convex:

Yea, because what Poland really needs right now are a million economists, philologists, psychologists, and sociologists. They can come back and help drive wages for unskilled labor down even further.

What, you mean like they are doing over here? Well, it's about time some of them had a taste of their own medicine.

Roll on "multiculturalism" in Poland as well - it won't seem quite so cool and "egzotyczne" when Polish cities develop no-go areas for Poles :D

pgtx:

lol... of course not... the Polish goverment should better take care of an affordable housing for your people, lower unemployment and better paid jobs... that's some start...

This would make much more sense, but EU-style socialism doesn't work that way - reward the useless, penalise the deserving - that's the UK/EU way.

I can't see how Poland's economy needs hundreds of thousands of baristas or carwash attendants either :)

warszawskiThreads: 60 Posts: 2,388 Joined: May 21, 10 ♂	Sep 24, 10, 19:46 #13
convex: Wondering how much training these people will get on how to run a business...smelling squandered money... I heard of a company in Praga that had just won a contract from the Gov for 1.8 Mln Pln. They currently train the unemployed how to write business plans and apply for EU funds, so it falls into place.

SeanBMThreads: 41 Posts: 8,727 Joined: Mar 10, 08 ♂	Edited by: SeanBM Sep 24, 10, 19:49 #14
warszawski: They currently train the unemployed how to write business plans and apply for EU funds, This seems to be a major failing in many E.U. countries, getting the information out there. It should be part of the school curriculum.

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Sep 24, 10, 20:21 #15

SeanBM:

This seems to be a major failing in many E.U. countries, getting the information out there.
It should be part of the school curriculum

SBM, dunno, how would you go about teaching kids at school how to write a business plan, what subject would it fall under. Now teaching kids how to be entrepreneurs or calculated risk taking, I would say that would be far more beneficial than many subjects today.

pgtxThreads: 49 Posts: 6,327 Joined: Feb 14, 09 MEMBER ♀	Sep 24, 10, 20:25 #16
warszawski: what subject would it fall under. business math... ;)

WroclawThreads: 77 Posts: 7,404 Joined: Apr 1, 06 ♂ [Moderator]	Sep 24, 10, 20:27 #17
warszawski: SBM, dunno, how would you go about teaching kids at school how to write a business plan, what subject would it fall under. it would come under economics, which is taught in the uk, but apparently not in Poland. in secondary school that is.

convexThreads: 46 Posts: 7,185 Joined: Nov 25, 09 ♂	Edited by: convex Sep 24, 10, 20:28 #18
warszawski: Now teaching kids how to be entrepreneurs or calculated risk taking, I would say that would be far more beneficial than many subjects today. Absolutely. A bit of basic risk analysis would go a long way...

pgtxThreads: 49 Posts: 6,327 Joined: Feb 14, 09 MEMBER ♀	Sep 24, 10, 20:28 #19
Wroclaw: in secondary school that is. yeah... it's taught in high school...

WroclawThreads: 77 Posts: 7,404 Joined: Apr 1, 06 ♂ [Moderator]	Sep 24, 10, 20:30 #20
convex: A bit of basic risk management wold good a long way... i have a feeling this is your game, but did u study it.

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Edited by: SeanBM Sep 24, 10, 20:31 #21

warszawski:

SBM, dunno, how would you go about teaching kids at school how to write a business plan, what subject would it fall under.

Business studies.

warszawski:

I would say that would be far more beneficial than many subjects today.

To be honest, religion class is only one that I'd have a real problem with.
What a complete waste of time and it should never be allowed in normal school in the first place, that's what Sunday school is for.

P.S. A bit off topic but on the same thought, there should be "life studies", about having kids and doing other normal stuff.

convexThreads: 46 Posts: 7,185 Joined: Nov 25, 09 ♂	Sep 24, 10, 20:36 #22
Wroclaw: i have a feeling this is your game, but did u study it. Meant risk analysis... risk management should be taught as well :) I ain't studied nuthin, gots me a 9th grade edukayshun though. As for paying the bills, risk analysis is definately the name of the game.

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Sep 24, 10, 20:59 #23

SeanBM:

To be honest, religion class is only one that I'd have a real problem with.
What a complete waste

I fall into the Jesus camp,IMO religion is very good for giving younger children the foundation for what is right and what is wrong. The vast majority of parents have good intentions,but somehow with all the good intentions there is still the rising crime.
At least we found a home in business studies.

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Edited by: SeanBM Sep 24, 10, 21:04 #24

warszawski:

I fall into the Jesus camp

Anything like the youtube link I posted?

I don't care for religion, as far as I am concerned it is up to the individual but should remain firmly out of monday-Friday schooling.

warszawski:

good intentions

Apparently the path to hell is paved with them but in normal school there is no room for religion. That's for the your prayer house.

warszawski:

there is still the rising crime.

Is there? Would that not be due to the economic crises rather than non=religious folk?

warszawski:

At least we found a home in business studies.

Ah, I think we will get along even though I never had business studies :)

Has paying people to repatriate ever worked?

zetigrekThreads: 59 Posts: 2,709 Joined: May 20, 10 ♂	Sep 24, 10, 21:06 #25
Seanus: We are always told that the smartest people in the world are here huh? where???

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Sep 24, 10, 21:10 #26
Many Poles seem to rate the Polish education system as the highest in the world.

pgtxThreads: 49 Posts: 6,327 Joined: Feb 14, 09 MEMBER ♀	Sep 24, 10, 21:12 #27
Seanus: the Polish education system as the highest in the world. this can't be correct...

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Sep 24, 10, 21:13 #28
Well, I've heard it with my own ears on many occasions. They are sure that it's true.

David_18Threads: 111 Posts: 1,212 Joined: Jan 4, 07 ♂	Edited by: David_18 Sep 24, 10, 21:16 #29
Seanus: Many Poles seem to rate the Polish education system as the highest in the world. Countries fall into three broad categories based on their Education Index: high, medium, and low human development. The 2007/2008 edition of the Human Development Report Not only by the poles but by the world...

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Sep 24, 10, 21:17 #30

warszawski:

I fall into the Jesus camp,IMO religion is very good for giving younger children the foundation for what is right and what is wrong. The vast majority of parents have good intentions,but somehow with all the good intentions there is still the rising crime.
At least we found a home in business studies.

Teach the silver rule, then right and wrong is taken care of. Religion introduces too many illogical concepts that don't help in refining the decision making process...Especially when you start reading around in the old testament...

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