Ex-commies (SLD party) push homosexual partnerships

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May 17, 11, 22:20 #1

http://www.gadu-gadu.pl/sld-chce-zwiazkow-partnerskich-dla-homoseksual istow

The post-communist SLD today submitted a draft bill to legalise homosexual civil partnerships in Poland. Most of Poland's political stage (all the other parties) are opposed and regard this as a pre-election ploy which has no chance of cleraring parliament in the first place. They had 3.5 years to propose this, so why are they doing it now with elections only months away - is a typical remark.
I understand that even without enacting any special law, people can own joint property, set up joint bank accounts, grant anyone they want power of attorney, will their property, etc. on the basis of existing Polish law beforre a notrary.

sobieskiThreads: 82 Posts: 1,143 Joined: Jun 1, 08 ♂	May 17, 11, 22:24 #2
You mean that you would like these couple to be executed under the crossist namiot on KM? Your threads are oh so transparant

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May 18, 11, 01:59 #3

Polonius3:

Most of Poland's political stage (all the other parties) are opposed and regard this as a pre-election ploy which has no chance of cleraring parliament in the first place.

Actually, the majority aren't opposed. But it's highly unlikely that such a bill will pass before the election - too many votes to be lost by homophobes.

Polonius3:

I understand that even without enacting any special law, people can own joint property, set up joint bank accounts, grant anyone they want power of attorney, will their property, etc. on the basis of existing Polish law beforre a notrary.

Not quite. Even if they do this, the laws of inheritance will override their wishes, for a start. Then there's things such as pension rights and tax allowances for couples.

Tell me, Polonius - what harm do you think would come from this?

Zman	May 18, 11, 02:03 #4
Or... consider this: a regular health insurance. Hetero folks get it no matter what, and then homos do not. It's time for a change!!!

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May 18, 11, 02:26 #5

Zman:

Or... consider this: a regular health insurance. Hetero folks get it no matter what, and then homos do not. It's time for a change!!!

Exactly.

No reason why they shouldn't be able to benefit from the same laws as everyone else.

Seems to be nonsense that some unemployed drunkard can benefit from his wives insurance, but the partner of a homosexual cannot benefit from his partner's insurance.

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May 18, 11, 12:59 #6

Polonius3:

First of all, the enactment of single-gender laws will contribute to the spread of such practices

Care to point me to any research that shows a correlation between the legality of civil unions and the practising of homosexuality? I'm genuinely interested - I didn't know that being able to enter a civil union encourages people to practice homosexuality.

Polonius3:

and that will lead to the total collapse of the social-security system.

Total collapse? I suggest that the amount of unemployed parasites leeching from the system are of far more concern.

Polonius3:

homosexual liaisons are in general of short duration, criminogenic, sterile and pose a threat to a country’s demographic development, healthcare system and overall stability.

I could take you to Scotland and show you plenty of examples of such behaviour among heterosexual liaisons, too.

bravoThreads: 4 Posts: 101 Joined: Dec 9, 09 ♂	May 18, 11, 13:15 #7
Polonius3: Homophobe, ridiculous, stupid, bullshit... you could have added nonsense, rubbish, bollox, load of crap, etc., etc., but typically not a single concrete counterargument, just insults. Mein Kampf was a concerted argument too and (yours reads quite like it.) Doesn't mean it was total bollox

Polonius3Threads: 1,005 Posts: 4,834 Joined: Apr 11, 08 ♂	May 18, 11, 13:27 #8
Official Catholic teaching defends and promotes the traditional family -- married parents of opposite genders and their children. Full stop!

FUZZYWICKETSThreads: 12 Posts: 1,999 Joined: Nov 3, 09 ♂	May 18, 11, 13:28 #9
WHAT is your deal with homosexuals, man. Is it all based on your religious agenda or do you simply find them disgusting?

StuThreads: 27 Posts: 1,109 Joined: Mar 31, 10 ♂	May 18, 11, 13:32 #10
Polonius3: Official Catholic teaching defends and promotes the traditional family -- married parents of opposite genders and their children. Full stop! In your case it is a grave error.

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May 18, 11, 14:12 #11

FUZZYWICKETS:

Is it all based on your religious agenda or do you simply find them disgusting?

Repressed homosexual, I think - not once has he ever talked about having children, or a wife, yet he brings homosexuals up on a constant basis on this forum. Certainly seems to be some sort of complex with him - and he's far more knowledgeable about them than you or me, for instance.

Polonius3:

Official Catholic teaching defends and promotes the traditional family -- married parents of opposite genders and their children. Full stop!

Tell us, Polonius - if they defend and promote it, why are people barred from marriage upon entering the Priesthood?

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May 18, 11, 14:29 #12

Priestly celibacy is not a dogma but a discipline which can be changed any time.
It wasn't made obligatory until around the 10th century and was introduced due to many personal problems and distractions faced by married clergy who often tended to look after their family interests more than their flock.
In today's troubled times, the prospect of a priest's teenaged kids running wild at the parish as well as the extra cost of family maintenace and lodgings are among the counterarguments to doing away with mandatory celibcy.
However, already JP2 conducted some experiments in that area by accepting into the RC CHurch several married Polish National Catholic priests, and his successor has created a separate diocese for Anglican preists who wish to convert.

hague1cmaeronThreads: 21 Posts: 1,652 Joined: Mar 30, 10 ♂	May 18, 11, 14:30 #13
Polonius3: to legalise homosexual civil partnerships in Poland. The sooner it happens the better. People should not be condemned to live their lives in loneliness because of their sexuality, every person deserves their chance at happiness.

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Edited by: NomadatNet May 18, 11, 14:31 #14

Agree with Polonius partially.
But, the real question is not about marriage of homosexuals, but, about marriages of heterosexuals which are being approved by religious officials or by state officials. Marriage requires approval by these institutes? Couple candidates are not trusting each others? Or, they are doing such approvals by third parties to help third parties make money? Marriage had existed ages ago, long time ago before these religions and states as well.

FlaglessPoleThreads: 7 Posts: 1,394 Joined: Aug 19, 10 ♂	May 18, 11, 14:48 #15
Ah the homophobe rant of the month by polonius, this one's been long time coming but finally it's here. On a scale from 1 to 10 I’d give it 0 for innovation…

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May 18, 11, 14:56 #16

Polonius3:

Priestly celibacy is not a dogma but a discipline which can be changed any time.

so you are a priest then?

Polonius3:

It wasn't made obligatory until around the 10th century and was introduced due to many personal problems and distractions faced by married clergy who often tended to look after their family interests more than their flock.
In today's troubled times, the prospect of a priest's teenaged kids running wild at the parish as well as the extra cost of family maintenace and lodgings are among the counterarguments to doing away with mandatory celibcy.

What troubled times are you talking about ?
no, it has always been about CC not wanting to share its wealth with anybody. Tell me why you don't condone the child abuse in your church and instead concentrate on the homosexual rights in Poland. The bill will eventually go through.

Why don't you concentrate on your beloved priests having lovers and supporting their children out of wedlock?

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May 18, 11, 15:05 #17

Polonius3:

priest's teenaged kids running wild at the parish

So that is what your kids are doing?! Maybe time to raise them correctly? Most kids don't run around wildly. They just play. If they run wildly, there is usually something wrong with parenting.

aphrodisiac:

Tell me why you condone the child abuse in your church and instead concentrate on the homosexual rights in Poland.

Absolutely ... a much more important subject! But I guess him being a good Catholic he forgives those priests (but only in circumstances he feels comfortable with). Freakin' bigot!

delphiandomineThreads: 42 Posts: 9,954 Joined: Nov 25, 08 ♂ [Suspended]	May 18, 11, 17:35 #18
So, Polonius, why don't you tell us about your stable nuclear family? I'm (nearly) married, Stu is married, Fuzzywickets is married, Sobieski is married - what about you? Do you practice what you preach? FUZZYWICKETS: Takes one to know one? I guess that's one angle. Seems quite likely, I think. His constant ranting really does sound like indepth personal knowledge.

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Edited by: rozumiemnic May 18, 11, 17:43 #19

Polonius3:

Now some 'progressive' PF-er can counter by singing the praises of dysfunctional families and broken homes. The floor is yours!.

You should stick to the etymology of names, really.
Of course families would be better with 14 children and pregnant wife headed by a violent wife and child beating alcoholic who is in charge of the finances and cannot be removed from the home. Of course the family can always turn to the Catholic Church for comfort.....keep the pedophile priests busy.
Yay "dysfuntional families"!!
PS no offence to good dads xx

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May 18, 11, 18:56 #20

Merits are more important than peripherals! Don't you ever read books or avail yoruself of online resources? Sometimes someone has encapsulated facts in a terse and poignant way, so does that automatically disqualify it? More humility!
Typcially, detractors either use invectives (stupied bollox, rubbish) or latch onto the source or some other extraneous factor, but rarely respond with a meaningful counterargument.
If you truly believe so, tell us why you think substance abuse, a growing divorce rate, one-parents families, bisexual threesomes and other 'progressive' arrangements make for a better, healthier, safer, more stable society for the general public.

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May 18, 11, 19:04 #21

Polonius3:

If you truly believe so, tell us why you think substance abuse, a growing divorce rate, one-parents families, bisexual threesomes and other 'progressive' arrangements make for a better, healthier, safer, more stable society for the general public.

So now you are changing the subject. No mention about homosexuality anymore. Typical discussion tactics of someone who knows he has lost, who has made a fool of himself and tries to rescue the situation.

You, midget, are a loser. And you know it.

JonnyMThreads: 16 Posts: 4,487 Joined: Mar 9, 11 ♂	Edited by: JonnyM May 18, 11, 19:32 #22
Polonius3: , bisexual threesomes You are obsessed, man! Looking at the thread title, you don't seem to understand the difference between legalising something and 'pushing' it. Why shouldn't people just live their lives without hassle. How does it hurt you? And people wonder why we have parades...

rozumiemnicThreads: 4 Posts: 1,020 Joined: Nov 16, 09 ♀	May 18, 11, 19:38 #23
Polonius3: Don't you ever read books or avail yoruself of online resources? I can more or less guarantee that I am better read than most, including you. Polonius3: More humility! yes

sobieskiThreads: 82 Posts: 1,143 Joined: Jun 1, 08 ♂	May 18, 11, 22:26 #24
What gives you the right to decide what is a "normal" family? What kind of warped crossist namtiotist mentality makes you decide that for example single mothers are unworthy?

sobieskiThreads: 82 Posts: 1,143 Joined: Jun 1, 08 ♂	May 18, 11, 22:35 #25
Since you are so obsessed with gays....What is your opinion on the pederast Paetz ? I believe he was/is a favourite of geothermal Rydżyk?. I mean he was ******* seminarists and got reinstalled within no time. Where I come from they put you as a pederast bishop in court and they kick you out.

isthatu2Threads: 13 Posts: 5,225 Joined: Apr 3, 08 ♂	May 19, 11, 00:45 #26
Gay marraige? Why not? Let them be as miserable as the rest of us if they want.

A JThreads: 19 Posts: 4,639 Joined: May 21, 10 ♂	May 19, 11, 02:35 #27
Sorry, I couldn't resist! xD

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May 19, 11, 13:21 #28

isthatu2 wrote:

Why not? Let them be as miserable as the rest of us if they want.

at the very least, they can enjoy the tax breaks and can write off their stuff to their partner in a will. homosexuals often times are quite successful businesspeople and considering they often times have family problems, are ridiculed due to their lifestyles, etc., at least this way they can leave their money to someone they care about.

hague1cmaeronThreads: 21 Posts: 1,652 Joined: Mar 30, 10 ♂	May 22, 11, 02:33 #29
Polonius3: The post-communist SLD today submitted a draft bill to legalise homosexual According to this very insightful article in Wyborca, your possible homophobia could be derived from latent homosexual emotions. http://wyborcza.pl/1,75476,9637205,Gej_nie_jest_konkurencja.html?as=1& startsz=x

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