Exposed: Ukrainian Nazi concentration guard, 90 who lives in Hampshire!

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Jun 12, 11, 10:00 #1

A 90-year-old man has been exposed as a former guard at a Nazi slave-labour camp during the Second World War.

Alexander Huryn, who lives in a retirement bungalow in Hampshire, kept his past secret when he left war-ravaged Europe and settled in Britain 60 years ago.

But the retired carpenter was a guard at the Trawniki labour camp in occupied Poland where thousands of Jewish prisoners died.

As a former member of the German armed forces, Mr Huryn still receives a German Army pension that is paid into his bank account each month, according to his family.
His wartime activities might have remained hidden had it not been for the opening up of Soviet-era archives in recent years.

Documents obtained by a researcher show that Mr Huryn served at Trawniki. They also appear to prove he joined an SS battalion that committed atrocities against Polish civilians in 1944 and 1945.

Ukrainian-born Mr Huryn grew up in the village of Wola Uhruska, which is now in eastern Poland.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2002585/Exposed-The-Nazi-conce ntration-camp-guard-living-Hampshire.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

I bet there is more sick people like him out there hiding...

TrevekThreads: 33 Posts: 2,155 Joined: May 21, 08 ♂	Edited by: Trevek Jun 12, 11, 10:07 #2
I seem to recall there being a documentary on British Tv some years ago about the Ukrainian SS troops and auxilliaries who came to britain after the war. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-11652/The-SS-In-Britain.h tml

joepilsudskiThreads: 44 Posts: 2,529 Joined: Apr 27, 07 ♂	Jun 12, 11, 10:41 #3
David_18: I bet there is more sick people like him out there hiding... You mean another 90 year old monster like Demjanjuk?...When can he be arrested?

JonnyMThreads: 16 Posts: 4,487 Joined: Mar 9, 11 ♂	Jun 12, 11, 12:32 #4
joepilsudski: monster like Demjanjuk?...When can he be arrested? Hopefully very quickly given his age. If he is guilty he musn't be allowed to get away with appalling crimes.

David_18Threads: 111 Posts: 1,212 Joined: Jan 4, 07 ♂	Jun 12, 11, 14:05 #5
JonnyM: Hopefully very quickly given his age. If he is guilty he musn't be allowed to get away with appalling crimes. Hopefully he will be sent to Poland since the place he were born in is in Poland today. If they send him to Ukraine he will probably be some kinda war hero...

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Jun 12, 11, 14:38 #6
Ukrainians and Croatians had brutal people in their ranks. The man has lived his life so why the focus on him now? Oh, we take justice seriously. Yeah? A few decades too late :(

David_18Threads: 111 Posts: 1,212 Joined: Jan 4, 07 ♂	Jun 12, 11, 14:43 #7
Seanus: The man has lived his life so why the focus on him now? Oh, we take justice seriously. Yeah? A few decades too late :( It's about justice. Maybe some survivors from those camps he were guading are still alive, and if they would hear that finaly this guard got served they will have some peace of mind.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Jun 12, 11, 14:45 #8
Nothing takes away the pain of needless deaths, David. The killing of an old man is a mere palliative in the face of that.

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Jun 12, 11, 15:02 #9

Seanus:

Nothing takes away the pain of needless deaths, David. The killing of an old man is a mere palliative in the face of that.

So what would be the solution then? Let him be and enjoy his last days in peace?

Seriously this man was a coward, he lied his way trough to the Uk, he could not stand behind his acts. People like him don't deserve the right to live.

And im 100% sure that those guys that suffered by his acts would enjoy seeing him die.

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Jun 12, 11, 15:05 #10

When they start rounding up all the former Sonnderkommando and Kapo's or Jewish order police and charging them with complicity in the nazi crimes then,fair enough,round up 90 year old former privates who may have for a few months in their lives done duty in a Guard Tower.
The argument that the scum sonnderkommando only helped throw babies into gas chambers because they were trying to survive can or should be used for the vast majority of low ranking former members of gitlers forgiegn "volunteer" forces.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Jun 12, 11, 15:15 #11
I'm not saying that he shouldn't be killed. I was making the point that it's too little, too late. The statute of limitations doesn't apply in such cases, I think, so he won't be let off the hook.

HarryThreads: 62 Posts: 8,508 Joined: May 2, 07 ♂ [Suspended]	Jun 12, 11, 15:18 #12
David_18: Ukrainian-born Mr Huryn grew up in the village of Wola Uhruska, which is now in eastern Poland. He is 90 years old, so born 1921 or 1920. At that time Wola Uhruska was in Poland, just as it is now. So how the hell is he Ukrainian born?! While Ukraine might, depending on when he was born, have existed as an independent state, he certainly wasn't born in it!

David_18Threads: 111 Posts: 1,212 Joined: Jan 4, 07 ♂	Jun 12, 11, 15:21 #13
Harry: He is 90 years old, so born 1921 or 1920. At that time Wola Uhruska was in Poland, just as it is now. So how the hell is he Ukrainian born?! While Ukraine might, depending on when he was born, have existed as an independent state, he certainly wasn't born in it! Indeed. But i guess they meant his ethnicity.

isthatu2Threads: 13 Posts: 5,225 Joined: Apr 3, 08 ♂	Jun 12, 11, 15:24 #14
So he is a Polish nazi concentration camp guard then?

David_18Threads: 111 Posts: 1,212 Joined: Jan 4, 07 ♂	Jun 12, 11, 15:30 #15
isthatu2: So he is a Polish nazi concentration camp guard then? Yes! Troll....

isthatu2Threads: 13 Posts: 5,225 Joined: Apr 3, 08 ♂	Jun 12, 11, 15:57 #16
So thats a yes to him being Polish then? So,why troll? Not sure you are actually reading these replies but most people dont agree with you. What ever happened to innocent untill proven guilty? The man has not even faced a court yet and you are calling for his death.....sorry,but its you thats the savage here.

z_dariusThreads: 22 Posts: 5,091 Joined: Oct 18, 07 ♂	Jun 12, 11, 16:00 #17
Harry: At that time Wola Uhruska was in Poland, just as it is now. So how the hell is he Ukrainian born?! The same way about 3 million of death camps victims were Jewish born.

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Jun 12, 11, 16:07 #18

isthatu2:

So thats a yes to him being Polish then?

He was an ethnic Ukrainian end of story.

isthatu2:

Not sure you are actually reading these replies but most people dont agree with you.

You and who else? Seanus wrote

Seanus:

I'm not saying that he shouldn't be killed. I was making the point that it's too little, too late. The statute of limitations doesn't apply in such cases, I think, so he won't be let off the hook.

isthatu2:

What ever happened to innocent untill proven guilty? The man has not even faced a court yet and you are calling for his death

No. I know that he needs to be proven guilty first and hopefully will.

isthatu2:

sorry,but its you thats the savage here.

Calm down... Go out and get some fresh air, some sunlight wont hurt you.

guesswhoThreads: 23 Posts: 3,326 Joined: Mar 17, 10 ♀	Edited by: guesswho Jun 12, 11, 16:23 #19
David_18: I bet there is more sick people like him out there hiding... you're right but he's 90 and if they weren't smart enough to catch him earlier, then let him die in peace. He ain't got more than maybe 2-3 years to live anyway.

HarryThreads: 62 Posts: 8,508 Joined: May 2, 07 ♂ [Suspended]	Jun 12, 11, 16:25 #20
z_darius: The same way about 3 million of death camps victims were Jewish born. The vast majority of them were Polish-born and judged to be (by themselves or others) Jewish. Oh, sorry, I forgot that to a plastic Pole like you a Jew can never be Polish.

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Jun 12, 11, 16:35 #21

Harry:

The vast majority of them were Polish-born and judged to be (by themselves or others) Jewish. Oh, sorry, I forgot that to a plastic Pole like you a Jew can never be Polish.

I have to agree with Harry here. He was born in Poland and was most likely a Polish citizen. His ethnicity plays a secondary role (in any other case it's absolutely the same too).
Jeez David, we all have good and bad people, it's not like being Polish automatically makes one a good person, right?

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Edited by: z_darius Jun 12, 11, 17:06 #22

guesswho:

I have to agree with Harry here. He was born in Poland and was most likely a Polish citizen. His ethnicity plays a secondary role (in any other case it's absolutely the same too).

Well, then you are a Jewish holocaust denier. No Jew killed by the Nazis was born in a Jewish state as one did not exist, so by your approach there were over 6 million Poles killed during WW2 - not a single Jewish born person.

Also, any alleged atrocities by Poles against Ukrainians are a fantasy too. There was no Ukraine as a State and thus no Ukrainians were persecuted by Poles.

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Jun 12, 11, 17:11 #23

David, Germany moved on and has issued multiple apologies to this very day. Look how they've helped the EU. On the one hand, it would be good to send out a message that killers get their comeuppance in the end. On the other, it would make sense for the Ukrainian govt to again apologise like Serbia has done for Srebrenica. You want to entice them into the EU and even NATO then you can't victimise them. I guess this is one of the main differences between Poles and foreigners, others move on better.

guesswhoThreads: 23 Posts: 3,326 Joined: Mar 17, 10 ♀	Edited by: guesswho Jun 12, 11, 17:14 #24
z_darius: Well, then you are a Jewish holocaust denier. I didn't say that ethnicity isn't important at all, I said, it plays a secondary role. Read carefully before you come to your conclusions. Seanus: I guess this is one of the main differences between Poles and foreigners, others move on better. yep, this is what I always say, the war is over, move on.

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Jun 12, 11, 18:41 #25

Seanus:

I guess this is one of the main differences between Poles and foreigners, others move on better.

Yea well countries in the west didn't got 16.7 % of their population whiped out so ofc they move on like nothing ever happend.

What about the jews? have they moved on? i don't think so.

guesswho:

Jeez David, we all have good and bad people, it's not like being Polish automatically makes one a good person, right?

Never said that. Plenty of polish people are bad, ever saw me write how much i love jaruzelski? I dont think so.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Jun 12, 11, 18:49 #26
Wasn't it 16.6%? ;) I think you exaggerated a little there ;) ;) The Jews always move on, they are nomadic :) Oh, no more jokes as the matter is pretty serious. What was the guard concentrating on? Oops, ok. 90? His concentration should be good by now. The Ukies were really brutal! I wouldn't expect Nuremberg but sth to send out a message to would-be criminals.

guesswhoThreads: 23 Posts: 3,326 Joined: Mar 17, 10 ♀	Jun 12, 11, 18:53 #27
David_18: Never said that. and I never said you did, did I? :-)

DaisyThreads: 16 Posts: 2,172 Joined: Apr 28, 07 ♀	Jun 12, 11, 18:53 #28
Maybe living to 90 is his punishment. The article said he was too weak to be interviewed, so it sounds as if his health is poor. He may already be in a living hell.

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Jun 12, 11, 20:58 #29

JonnyM:

Hopefully very quickly given his age. If he is guilty he musn't be allowed to get away with appalling crimes.

Should he even be given a trial?...Certainly, this man slaughtered Jews...Can he just be executed, quickly?...The 'Daily Mail' is, of course, an un-impeachable source for historical information...Maybe we can just dispense with formalities and kill this butcher.

Alexander Huryn: In uniform; probably killed thousands of Jews himself...

Daily Mail:

One of the documents obtained by Holocaust researcher Dr Stephen Ankier is Mr Huryn’s Trawniki identity certificate. It shows his place and date of birth and bears a passport-style photograph of him taken in 1943.

Mr Huryn is understood to have been interviewed by Scotland Yard as a potential witness, not a suspect. A police source said nothing had been found to link him with any atrocity.

Mr Huryn is too frail to leave his home and declined to speak to The Mail on Sunday. But he said through his daughter that he could no longer remember what he did in the war.

A UK Border Agency spokesman said: ‘The UK is not a refuge for war criminals. Citizenship can be deprived if obtained fraudulently or where it is in the public interest to do so. This includes suspected war criminals.’

Getting back to reality, here is a real one who got away:

Salomon Morel

legendThreads: 9 Posts: 819 Joined: Apr 23, 11 ♂	Jun 12, 11, 22:05 #30
My view will be a little different from whats here... Honestly they are fricken 90 years old! Give them a break. It seems that mostly Jewish/American authorities are after these guys. Its like they want revenge and MORE revenge (beating the crap out of muslims/Palestinians) 60+ years after the war. Okay okay the last picture guy looks evil lol. Maybe they should give him hell.

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