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pawianThreads: 90 Posts: 5,399 Joined: May 30, 08 ♂	Edited by: pawian Jul 10, 11, 21:39 #31
Seanus: Have you talked to "most Greeks", pawian? No, I read comments on a travel forum by Poles coming from Greece at the end of June and beginning of July. Greeks are perfectly relaxed about their situation because they know that Europe will help them. What you see on Gliwice TV, all those protests etc, is misleading. :):):)

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Jul 10, 11, 21:41 #32
So you think bankrupting the ECB through bailing out Greece, Portugal and Ireland is trivial?? Let's see how relaxed they are when their govt doesn't even get near to repaying the loans.

pawianThreads: 90 Posts: 5,399 Joined: May 30, 08 ♂	Jul 10, 11, 21:48 #33
Seanus: So you think bankrupting the ECB through bailing out Greece, Portugal and Ireland is trivial?? A few posts ago we were talking about Greeks. Now, you are adding two more. I will answer after I am sure that you have come out with everything/everybody that sores you. :):):):)

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Jul 10, 11, 21:50 #34
Because Tusk alluded to Greece but I'm just saying that the problem is even wider. It doesn't sore me, really. I just feel that Tusk was wide of the mark there.

pawianThreads: 90 Posts: 5,399 Joined: May 30, 08 ♂	Jul 10, 11, 21:55 #35
Seanus: I just feel that Tusk was wide of the mark there. Nope. As a Pole, Tusk knows that situation can still be much, much worse. Poland survived szlachta`s anarchy, liberum veto, partitions, wars, risings, occupations, dominations. In the light of those, do you think that Greece`s problems may worry anyone here? :):):):):)

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Jul 10, 11, 21:57 #36
When you know that hawkish bankers are ready to swoop, wouldn't you feel worried? When 3 countries are going under and a second crisis is always looming, is that trivial?

pawianThreads: 90 Posts: 5,399 Joined: May 30, 08 ♂	Edited by: pawian Jul 10, 11, 22:04 #37
Seanus: When you know that hawkish bankers are ready to swoop, wouldn't you feel worried? When 3 countries are going under and a second crisis is always looming, is that trivial? Seanus, there is a Polish saying - in free translation: let there be war in the whole world, as long as the Polish country (wieś) stays peaceful, stays quiet.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Jul 10, 11, 23:52 #38
Nice expression but they will be vocal come election time. PiS will score well because of them.

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Apr 8, 12, 09:40 #39

If Tusk and his government don`t manage to introduce the new retirement age at 67 for all, instead of the current 65 for men and 60 for women, it will be one of their biggest failures.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/easternapproaches/2012/03/pension-refor m-poland

What of the reform itself? Raising the retirement age in Poland is as necessary here as elsewhere in Europe, thanks to rising debt levels and weakening demographics. Yet the dissatisfaction of those who will lose out, and their broader animosity towards Mr Tusk, is understandable, up to a point.
Civic Platform's opponents accuse it of reneging on election pledges and of forcing its reform through without consultation. The proposal is a particular hike for women, who currently retire at 60 (men retire at 65). Germany, Europe's powerhouse and Poland's key partner, is also raising its retirement age to 67. But the average Pole lives for five years less than the average German, and works longer hours for lower wages.
Such are the arguments of the country's disgruntled poor. Compared with Europe's other former communist countries, Poland's stable politics and steady growth are exemplary. But a large chunk of the population feels it has not seen the fruits of this transformation, and looks on with resentment at those that have, most of whom back the government. It is a pity that they have no better political representatives than the reactionary Solidarity, the populist Mr Kaczyński, and the tainted Mr Miller.

IronsideThreads: 59 Posts: 6,786 Joined: Feb 26, 09 ♂	Apr 8, 12, 20:40 #40
pawian: If Tusk and his government don`t manage to introduce the new retirement age at 67 for all, instead of the current 65 for men and 60 for women, it will be one of their biggest failures. If they do it will be their frailer as well if they introduce the new retirement age and one of their smallest.

pawianThreads: 90 Posts: 5,399 Joined: May 30, 08 ♂	Edited by: pawian Apr 8, 12, 21:49 #41
Ironside: If they do it will be their frailer as well if they introduce the new retirement age and one of their smallest. Iron, I appreciate your input but can you come back and contribute again when you are sober? :):):):)

IronsideThreads: 59 Posts: 6,786 Joined: Feb 26, 09 ♂	Apr 8, 12, 22:23 #42
pawian: If Tusk and his government don`t manage to introduce the new retirement age at 67 for all, instead of the current 65 for men and 60 for women, it will be one of their biggest failures. If they introduce the new retirement age it will be only another failure, one of many!

pawianThreads: 90 Posts: 5,399 Joined: May 30, 08 ♂	Apr 8, 12, 22:49 #43
Ironside: If they introduce the new retirement age it will be only another failure, one of many! No, it won`t. Before I submit expertises about it, let me go a little personal. I want to work till I am 67. Even longer, if possible. You are probably too young to understand it but in my opinion, when you are retired, you are half dead. You are sort of suspended between life and death.

IronsideThreads: 59 Posts: 6,786 Joined: Feb 26, 09 ♂	Apr 8, 12, 23:27 #44
pawian: I want to work till I am 67. Even longer, if possible. You can work till you die for what I care. However many people would like to it what they have been promised. Cheating them out of it is not only ugly thing to do to but immoral.

IronsideThreads: 59 Posts: 6,786 Joined: Feb 26, 09 ♂	May 10, 12, 16:25 #45
No expressways and no motorways ready for Euro 2012. What you say pawian - great government eh?

pawianThreads: 90 Posts: 5,399 Joined: May 30, 08 ♂	May 10, 12, 17:14 #46
Ironside: No expressways and no motorways ready for Euro 2012. What you say pawian - great government eh? Hmm, do you know anything about soccer? Do you really believe they are going to play matches on expressways and motorways? :):):):):):)

IronsideThreads: 59 Posts: 6,786 Joined: Feb 26, 09 ♂	May 10, 12, 17:18 #47
pawian: Do you really believe they are going to play matches on expressways and motorways? :):):):):):) There goes last shred of your credibility.puff - nothing left!

pawianThreads: 90 Posts: 5,399 Joined: May 30, 08 ♂	Edited by: pawian May 10, 12, 17:52 #48
Ironside: There goes last shred of your credibility.puff - nothing left! :):):):):) Ironsik, is that you?:

TerryTerroristThreads: - Posts: 10 Joined: Feb 14, 12 ♂	May 10, 12, 20:05 #49
@pawian dżizes kid you must be in love with Donald

pawianThreads: 90 Posts: 5,399 Joined: May 30, 08 ♂	May 10, 12, 20:45 #50
TerryTerrorist: dżizes kid you must be in love with Donald Yes, I loved him as a kid. Unfortunately, communists limited access to him.

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