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pgtxThreads: 49
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will it succeed?
or
will it fail?
PierogiThreads: -
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depends on how much more Islam the EU decides to impose on us, imo
tornado2007Threads: 20
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Pierogi:
depends on how much more Islam the EU decides to impose on us, imo

its nothing to do with the EU imposing it on us, it depends how much the GP allow Islam to be forced upon us, in my view all religion is band and if it was not part of the EU then all the better.
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tornado2007:
its nothing to do with the EU imposing it on us, it depends how much the GP allow Islam to be forced upon us, in my view all religion is band and if it was not part of the EU then all the better.

Well, they're still planning on letting Turkey in at some point, aren't they? I'll only become a Dhimmi over my dead body.
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Pierogi:
Well, they're still planning on letting Turkey in at some point, aren't they? I'll only become a Dhimmi over my dead body.

Well even if they do let Turkey in, what does that mean, we do not have to take on their religion!!!! We do not have to do anything different from what we already do, are you telling me there are no Turks in Europe already!!!??? I'm not for Turkey joining the EU but then again i was not thrilled that Romaina and Bulgaria joined!!!
PierogiThreads: -
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tornado2007:
Well even if they do let Turkey in, what does that mean, we do not have to take on their religion!!!! We do not have to do anything different from what we already do, are you telling me there are no Turks in Europe already!!!??? I'm not for Turkey joining the EU but then again i was not thrilled that Romaina and Bulgaria joined!!!

Of course there are Turks, but unless you live in a city which could already be said to have de facto Muslim control, as I do, you may not understand my concern about this. From small acorns to big trees, etc (can't remember the exact wording, but I'm sure you know what I mean).
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pgtx:
will it succeed?
or
will it fail?

It will probably succeed but without Britain and Ireland maybe?
KapustaThreads: 5
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pgtx:
The future of the European Union

Good question and well done for asking it. :)

pgtx:
will it succeed?
or
will it fail?

It will succeed. It succeeds already and if the UK would get with the Schengen Agreement it would be even more successful. From what I can tell, traveling between countries has been a positive, not a negative.

tornado2007:
Well even if they do let Turkey in, what does that mean, we do not have to take on their religion!!!!

Best statement I have read today (and I have read many). By welcoming a county to the EU it doesn't mean we adopt their governmental or their religious policies. We accept them as they are.
tornado2007Threads: 20
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Pierogi:
Of course there are Turks, but unless you live in a city which could already be said to have de facto Muslim control, as I do, you may not understand my concern about this. From small acorns to big trees, etc (can't remember the exact wording, but I'm sure you know what I mean).

this is balls, if a place, city, town, development, country do not wish to accept something, it will not. You are trying to tell me that Islam could be forced??? that is rubbish and i think you know it, if any such thing happened and the host did not like it, Islam would be chased out of town.

scrappleton:
It will probably succeed but without Britain and Ireland maybe?

all id did when i read your statement was laugh :)
Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11
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Pierogi:
Well, they're still planning on letting Turkey in at some point, aren't they? I'll only become a Dhimmi over my dead body.

THEY have to decide unanimously....meaning NEVER!
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tornado2007:
all id did when i read your statement was laugh :)

Well that's what I do with every one of your statements ;- ) PF Sheriff boy.
tornado2007Threads: 20
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scrappleton:
Well that's what I do with every one of your statements ;- ) PF Sheriff boy.

well you go for it my man, your nothing more than a critical peice of you know what, who has nothing nice to say about anything or anyone :) You've moved to the US and all you do its criticise it, why don't you move back home to your own brilliant country if its that good, you big man you!!! lol yeah right
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tornado2007:
You've moved to the US and all you do its criticise it,

Eh? Can't move to some place I was born into, pally.
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scrappleton:
Eh? Can't move to some place I was born into, pally.

well that makes you all the more stupid for continually criticising it, although i bet you are not of US decent :) If you are then you probably need to see somebody :)
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tornado2007:
this is balls, if a place, city, town, development, country do not wish to accept something, it will not. You are trying to tell me that Islam could be forced??? that is rubbish and i think you know it, if any such thing happened and the host did not like it, Islam would be chased out of town.

Sorry, but i stand by my comment 100%, I know how things work in my city, but things are changing - BNP support has rocketed in the (now comparatively few) white majority areas left here. It's probably too little, too late though. There are so many mosques here, you'd think you were in the UAE not the UK. Muslims definitely run things here, and I don't mean they have all the seats on the council either.
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Pierogi:
Sorry, but i stand by my comment 100%, I know how things work in my city, but things are changing - BNP support has rocketed in the (now comparatively few) white majority areas left here.

well you have to ask yourself, who's fault is it that the BNP support has risen?? ask yourself that!!!

Pierogi:
It's probably too little, too late though. There are so many mosques here, you'd think you were in the UAE not the UK. Muslims definitely run things here, and I don't mean they have all the seats on the council either.

i know, it is for sure, too little too late, it is about damage limitation now. You can reverse anything and i mean anything, this does not have to be the future of the UK if its not wanted by the majority.
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tornado2007:
well you have to ask yourself, who's fault is it that the BNP support has risen?? ask yourself that!!!

Successive Governments which won't listen to the non-Muslim working class.
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Pierogi:
Successive Governments which won't listen to the non-Muslim working class.

I cannot add anything to that, i totally agree with you!!! No offense but i can't belive it takes a Polak to say that, ppppppppppfffffffffffff, the Brits need to stand up and be counted for in our own country.
ragtime27Threads: 1
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Not again another interesting thread turning into Islam bashing.

I see Europe as a federal with one army,leadership rotated every year or maybe 2 years for Turkey,Bosnia,.............Afghanistan opps sorry I went to far east :) LOL


Pierogi reminds me of polish guy was asked to comment on TV about poles taking Uk jobs,his answer was,we're white and christian we don't cause problems.

At least RevokeNice consider every immigrant in Ireland as an outsider,not Pierogi.

Where's RN,show them the door :)
tornado2007Threads: 20
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ragtime27:
Not again another interesting thread turning into Islam bashing

no no nothing like that, but can you tell me please what positives Islam brings to the western world, in fact thw world in general??
pgtxThreads: 49
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tornado2007:
can you tell me please what positives Islam brings to the western world, in fact thw world in general??

start your own thread or stick to the topic?
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pgtx:
start your own thread or stick to the topic?

yeah sorry that is getting off topic a little, maybe i should if i could be bothered :)
ragtime27Threads: 1
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Torny
I'm sure you're sensible guy with open mind,like pgtx said it deserve a thread on it's own.

here's a link for easy read about Islam in the west
http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?c=Article_C&cid=122848999 6489&pagename=Zone-English-Euro_Muslims%2FEMELayout
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pgtx:
start your own thread or stick to the topic?

good point.

SO far nothing about the EU.
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you won't get any common sense from Pierogi if he thinks that it's OK for a Pole to be in Ireland or UK because they're christians and no a BIG NO for no-Christians.

It's beyond believe!!
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ragtime27:
It's beyond believe!!

ragtime27:
What kind of common sense you'll get from Pierogi if he thinks that it's OK for a Pole to be in Ireland or UK because they're christians.


Yes, I have seen this unhealthy approach of some of the Poles living in the UK. It seems that they adopted one of the most negative ways of thinking about other ethnic groups, here specifically Muslim groups ( I still don't understand why Muslims are all put in one category, even though they come from different countries). The only explanation I find is that they want to fit in and adopt some "available" to them ideologies from tabloid news, which is probably the only accessible way- crash course of how to be British. Being an underclass in itself will make them more willing to find a way to tell themselves, that one of the things which makes them more accepted in their eyes ( host country) is to bash Muslims. New class in itself I think. Socrates is a prefect example.

I am off topic now.

EU is well and kicking, it is going through transition in my opinion. I think that Poland has benefited a lot so far and it is a new era for Poland in that regard. I know I am speaking in general terms here, but I am just to tired to come up with anything intelligent.


What is your opinion Ragtime?
MatowyThreads: 1
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The EU has already succeeded, continues to succeed, and will succeed for a while longer as well. It's a fantastic thing, and it would take more than a religion to topple it. Seriously, anyone who thinks religion is going to the death of Europe/EU is just stupid.
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I'm speaking from experience point of view nearly half of my contacts on my phone are polish and I'm married to one.

She gets to translate every now and then conversations happens around me(in polish of course) it is alarming the way they talk about black community......etc

I would say it is more to do with Ignorance and lack of mixing and traveling,hopefully time is a healer.

The approach adopted is more I'll scratch your back(white racist) by bashing Muslims you scratch mine(poles) hoping go under the radar avoiding of insults and abuse,sadly ignorance can't distinguish between poles or Muslims.

I'll add this bit
aphrodisiac:
The only explanation I find is that they want to fit in and adopt some "available" to them ideologies from tabloid news, which is probably the only accessible way- crash course of how to be British. Being an underclass in itself will make them more willing to find a way to tell themselves, that one of the things which makes them more accepted in their eyes ( host country) is to bash Muslims. New class in itself I think. Socrates is a prefect example.

I guess it is the same thing
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ragtime27:
She gets to translate every now and then conversations happens around me(in polish of course) it is alarming the way they talk about black community......etc

I would say it is more to do with Ignorance and lack of mixing and traveling,hopefully time is a healer.

ignorance is a factor for sure. Lack of exposure is another and they are connected. I bookmarked the link you posted for Torny and I will read it tomorrow. I think BB should read it too.
Matowy:
Seriously, anyone who thinks religion is going to the death of Europe/EU is just stupid.

nobody said it would.
MatowyThreads: 1
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aphrodisiac:
nobody said it would.

Post number 2. It snowballs from there.

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