The future of Poland and the European Union

MatowyThreads: 1 Posts: 519 Joined: Jul 4, 09 ♂	Aug 16, 09, 00:52 #91
RevokeNice: The EU will fall. Based on what indications do you presume this? Pro-tip: "I don't like the EU, thus it will fall" is not valid in the real world.

RevokeNiceThreads: 21 Posts: 2,767 Joined: Jun 20, 09 ♂	Aug 16, 09, 00:55 #92
Matowy Individual nations and their interests. A two tiered europe. Lack of democracy.

MatowyThreads: 1 Posts: 519 Joined: Jul 4, 09 ♂	Aug 16, 09, 00:58 #93
RevokeNice: Individual nations and their interests. A two tiered europe. Lack of democracy. Listing things you don't like about the EU also is not valid. Got any actual evidence?

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Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Aug 16, 09, 00:59 #94

RevokeNice:

Individual nations and their interests.

Still individual nations and their interests last time I looked...

RevokeNice:

A two tiered europe.

Not yet!
There are voices though who think about it loudly...but not yet.
Those who think they pay to much in and get not enough out of it or who are already ready for and wish for a more closer political integration (constitution, EU army, common EU foreign policy etc.) and who think that some countries stay on the brakes....

RevokeNice:

Lack of democracy.

As compared to?

You know, the idea of a United Europe was laughed and mocked at by the same kind of people since 50 years, and oh how they laughed about the introduction of the EURO and called it a deathbirth, waiting for the collapse since then...well...we have the last laugh!

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Aug 16, 09, 01:02 #95

Bratwurst Boy:

Not yet!
There are voice though who think about it loudly...but not yet.

France, Germany and Italy regularly flout EU law. One rule for the big boys.

Bratwurst Boy:

Still individual nations and their interests last time I looked...

For now, europhiles are dreaming of their EU superstate.

Bratwurst Boy:

As compared to?

Democracry, true democracy. The type where you do not have to vote twice on the same treaty until the EU get the result they want.

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Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Aug 16, 09, 01:06 #96

RevokeNice:

Democracry, true democracy.

Well...did you vote in the last EU parliament elections??? May I guess not?

"True democracy" my ass, I doubt you know what that is...we are all western democratic countries but nowhere is the gov perfect, and the EU doesn't even have a basic like a constitution right now...
I don't feel I live in a dictatorship!
Why do you think the countries stand in a queue to gain entry, because it's so suppressing here?

RevokeNice:

The type where you do not have to vote twice on the same treaty until the EU get the result they want.

Actually the constitution was thought to write down the laws, the do's and don't do's but I doubt anybody ever read that mass paper.
It's to long, to winded and became a toy for political gains in every direction...sadly.

If it comes nonetheless it will be so watered down that it is nearly worthless, thanks to idiots like you!

PS: Wanna guess how Ireland will vote now as they are standing deep in the sh*it?
Iceland rings a bell?

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Aug 16, 09, 01:08 #97

Bratwurst Boy:

"True democracy" my ass, I doubt you know what that is...we are all western democratic countries but nowhere is the gov perfect, and the EU doesn't even have a basic like a constitution right now...
I don't feel I live in a dictatorship!

It is undemocratic that the Irish people are having to vote on the exact same treaty yet again. Would we have to vote again if we voted yes? Would we fook.

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07 ♂	Aug 16, 09, 01:13 #98
Where do you think Ireland would be without the year long EU support? Wanna try it alone again??? Don't make me laugh..

RevokeNiceThreads: 21 Posts: 2,767 Joined: Jun 20, 09 ♂	Aug 16, 09, 01:17 #99
Bratwurst Boy Love to. The Irish nation would prosper. We should look to Boston rather than Berlin and make the most of our Irish diaspora in the states.

MatowyThreads: 1 Posts: 519 Joined: Jul 4, 09 ♂	Aug 16, 09, 01:17 #100
RevokeNice: It is undemocratic that the Irish people are having to vote on the exact same treaty yet again. Would we have to vote again if we voted yes? Would we fook. So Ireland can vote "No" again if it wants to. What's undemocratic about that?

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Edited by: ShelleyS Aug 16, 09, 01:17 #101

RevokeNice:

The EU started as a trading bloc, pity it didnt stay that way.

No offence, but the EU did Ireland a power of good with the cash it injected - but like any new member state, you have now fallen out of favour and companies have moved to pastures new (read cheap labour and incentives), Britain has got very little out of it, infact nothing, in fact we are worse off now than we ever were.

RevokeNice:

It is undemocratic that the Irish people are having to vote on the exact same treaty yet again. Would we have to vote again if we voted yes? Would we fook.

No, do you honestly think that the likes of Germany and France will allow some little upstarts to scupper their plans? Keep voting NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO - let them know that they cant bully us into their way of doing things!!

RevokeNice:

Love to. The Irish nation would prosper. We should look to Boston rather than Berlin and make the most of our Irish diaspora in the states.

What is this obsession with the yanks, do you think they give a flying fook about Ireland? Whilst there were a few ex-IRA there who drumed up a bit of cash for the cause back in the day, it doesnt mean they even care one jot about a tiny country (actually most dont know where it is) to want to form any kind of an aliance...You are seriously deluded if you think otherwise, the only connection American has with Ireland is a few plastic paddies who saw the romanic idea of the war against the Brits, they didnt think for one moment about the pain! By the way tit face I was in Manchester the day the bomb went off!

RevokeNiceThreads: 21 Posts: 2,767 Joined: Jun 20, 09 ♂	Aug 16, 09, 01:18 #102
Matowy: So Ireland can vote "No" again if it wants to. What's undemocratic about that? Would we be voting again if the answer was yes? We both know the answer to that.

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Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Aug 16, 09, 01:19 #103

Maybe a two tier Europe wouldn't be a bad thing.

Those who are really interested in getting things done should leave the nay sayers behind.

I really feel talking to brick heads is useless...
We should leave them to bicker with each other!
We all know it aren't the biggies and the do'ers exactly who prefer to b*itch all the day...

(Of course they can pay each other too)

ShelleyS:

Britain has got very little out of it, infact nothing, in fact we are worse off now than we ever were.

ROFL
For preferring bubble money and banking services to real good work isn't the fault of the EU...that's your governments work for decades...say thank you to Nr. 10!

RevokeNiceThreads: 21 Posts: 2,767 Joined: Jun 20, 09 ♂	Aug 16, 09, 01:21 #104
Bratwurst Boy: Where do you think Ireland would be without the year long EU support? Wanna try it alone again??? Don't make me laugh.. This sounds like the man who beats his wife. "Look what I done for you." "Look what I bought for you, I have been good to you." You are nothing without me."

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Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Aug 16, 09, 01:23 #105

RevokeNice:

"Look what I done for you." "Look what I bought for you, I have been good to you." You are nothing without me."

Well...sorry but that's how it is.
Ireland exported immigrants for most of it's time, nothing else.
Without the EU you were nothing and when you want out you are no loss, there was not much coming back after decades of injecting support from whole Europe.
To listen to the likes of you now about how "horrible" the EU is makes me want to vomit!

Get out!

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Aug 16, 09, 01:29 #106

Bratwurst Boy:

Well...sorry but that's how it is.
Ireland exported immigrants for most of it's time, nothing else.

To America, Canada, Australia and the UK. Whats your point? The rest of the population should now suffer immigrants from the four corners of the globe? The Germans went on a killing spree in the 40s, does that mean I can maim and slaughter them now?

Your logic is flawed, the past is a foreign country.

Bratwurst Boy:

Without the EU you were nothing and when you want out you are no loss, there was not much coming back after decades of injecting support from whole Europe.

Go down to your local shop, you guttersnipe. Look for the fish section. Look at the catch location, where was it caught? Something for nothing my left testicle.

Bratwurst Boy:

To listen to the likes of you now about how "horrible" the EU is makes me want to vomit!

Get out!

With fooking pleasure.

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Aug 16, 09, 01:31 #107

RevokeNice:

This sounds like the man who beats his wife.

"Look what I done for you." "Look what I bought for you, I have been good to you." You are nothing without me."

Difference being that the EU has benefited Ireland more than Ireland could ever hope to benefit the EU.

RevokeNice:

Go down to your local shop, you guttersnipe. Look for the fish section. Look at the catch location, where was it caught? Something for nothing my left testicle.

... that's Ireland's big contribution to Europe? Fish? Wow, and I thought your comment about Boston was hilarious... this is just hysterical.

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Aug 16, 09, 01:31 #108

Bratwurst Boy:

Without the EU you were nothing and when you want out you are no loss, there was not much coming back after decades of injecting support.

Arrogant German attitute, obviously you lot are the best????

Bratwurst Boy:

Maybe a two tier Europe wouldn't be a bad thing.

Maybe we should because Germany are in bed with France, good luck in the next war!

Bratwurst Boy:

Ireland exported immigrants for most of it's time, nothing else.

Low blow, learn a bit of history and you might understand the reason why the Irish left Ireland. Oh hang on a minute, how many people with German names are in the USA?

Bratwurst Boy:

For preferring bubble money and banking services to real good work isn't the fault of the EU...that's your governments work for decades...say thank you to Nr. 10!

It worked, lets say thanks to the US for the current mess. As for real work, you lot wouldnt have a car industry if the Brits hadnt have got production going again after the war...you can say thank you Britain if you like..Doubt you will though, but dont worry, it wont long before you export all your business abroad.

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Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Aug 16, 09, 01:33 #109

RevokeNice:

Look for the fish section

Whoa...and you did catch it all by yourself??? WOW!!!

*bowes deeply*

I take everything back...Irelands membership is of course not only a huge drain on the EU but such an asset as I now can see...I was so blind before! *bows again*

ShelleyS:

Arrogant German attitute, obviously you lot are the best????

Where was I wrong?

ShelleyS:

Maybe we should because Germany are in bed with France, good luck in the next war!

Tell that the french! :)

But compared to the wars Germany has now much more success without one bullet fired...so...no war needed!

ShelleyS:

learn a bit of history and you might understand the reason why the Irish left Ireland.

Well...that's the history I learned...a quite sh*itty place for most of it's history.

Germany often too...but then most Germans don't demonize the only organization who ever brought peace and wealth to it's members for decades now.

And also I can't remember Ireland paying a buck for Germany's peace, stability and wealth...

ShelleyS:

Doubt you will though, but dont worry, it wont long before you export all your business abroad.

News Shelley...many of those who were gone abroad are already coming back.

Zu Hause ist es doch am schönsten!

Ever heard of that phenomenon in GREAT Britain?
Missing of skilled, dedicated workforce, lack of corruption etc.?

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Aug 16, 09, 01:35 #110

Matowy:

Difference being that the EU has benefited Ireland more than Ireland could ever hope to benefit the EU.

Billions generated per annum. No loss, indeed. Over 50% of all fish consumed in europe, is from Irish waters. As I said no such thing as a free lunch, we got money, for sure, but there where strings attached. Some economists claim we gave more than we took, in our natural resources.

Matowy:

... that's Ireland's big contribution to Europe? Fish? Wow, and I thought your comment about Boston was hilarious... this is just hysterical.

38 million Americans claim to be Irish. We should forge closer trading links with our diaspora. Major money to be made.

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Edited by: ShelleyS Aug 16, 09, 01:38 #111

Bratwurst Boy:

Where was I wrong?

Attitude.

Bratwurst Boy:

Whoa...and you did catch it all by yourself??? WOW!!!

The fishing industry is worth millions, but I dont expect the common man to understand this...Lets keep foreign fishing boats out of Irish seas and see how much fish goes up in Germany, but I suppose you can always eat sausage.

Germany is inland, where do you think your fish comes from?

RevokeNice:

38 million Americans claim to be Irish. We should forge closer trading links with our diaspora. Major money to be made.

Plastic paddies that walk about in green hats on St. Pats day...give me a break!

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07 ♂	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Aug 16, 09, 01:41 #112
ShelleyS: Attitude. Well..what about the facts? Better take care of your fishies then...the pace you are fishing the seas will be soon empty...what then? Try going into development, science, engineering...REAL work, you know? ShelleyS: Germany is inland, where do you think your fish comes from? I dunno, but I think I could do without "irish" fish...really...

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Aug 16, 09, 01:43 #113

RevokeNice:

38 million Americans claim to be Irish.

Stop right there. For starters:

1. They aren't Irish, they're American.

2. They know nothing about:

a) Irish people
b) Irish culture
c) Irish politics
d) Irish history
e) Irish geography
f) Ireland in general

3. They only claim to be Irish because they feel the need to distance themselves from America, and to make themselves appear more exotic and cultured than they really are. They don't give a **** about Ireland itself. They're as dumb and American as you can get.

4. They aren't Irish.

RevokeNice:

Some economists claim we gave more than we took, in our natural resources.

Yeah, right. Any evidence for that?

RevokeNice:

We should forge closer trading links with our diaspora. Major money to be made.

Not going to happen, ever. As already mentioned, these plastic paddies don't care about Ireland, and know nothing of Ireland. Thinking that they will even consider trade with an insignificant nation like Ireland out of some sense of kinship is just stupid and deluded (even by your standards). There really is no reason to think otherwise.

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Edited by: RevokeNice Aug 16, 09, 01:46 #114

Bratwurst Boy:

Better take care of your fishies then...the pace you are fishing the seas will be soon empty...what then?

No, actually the way our resources are being plundered mean there will be no fish left. We are investing in other industries.

Come here, kraut. Bit cheeky you lecturing me on the past and Irish immigration when your ancestors where mudering tens of millions of people because a mad black haired Austrain claimed blond haired Germans where the master race. :)

MatowyThreads: 1 Posts: 519 Joined: Jul 4, 09 ♂	Edited by: Matowy Aug 16, 09, 01:48 #115
RevokeNice: Come here, kraut. Bit cheeky you lecturing me on the past and Irish immigration when your ancestors where mudering tens of millions of people because a mad black haired Austrain claimed blond haired Germans where the master race. RevokeNice: Your logic is flawed, the past is a foreign country.

RevokeNiceThreads: 21 Posts: 2,767 Joined: Jun 20, 09 ♂	Aug 16, 09, 01:49 #116
Matowy: RevokeNice: Come here, kraut. Bit cheeky you lecturing me on the past and Irish immigration when your ancestors where mudering tens of millions of people because a mad black haired Austrain claimed blond haired Germans where the master race. RevokeNice: Your logic is flawed, the past is a foreign country. I was pointing out the flaw in his argument. Read the thread.

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07 ♂	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Aug 16, 09, 01:50 #117
Well...I remember in history lessons some Irish were quite happy about the mad Hitler and even pointed the way for the Luftwaffe to England.... Back to your fishies Revvie!

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Aug 16, 09, 01:54 #118

RevokeNice:

I was pointing out the flaw in his argument. Read the thread.

Not really. YOU are the one is always stressing Irish roots, Irish heritage, Irish culture, Irish history, ******* Irish everything, and how Ireland needs to remain pure of foreign unfluences. If you're going to keep dragging those things up, then be prepared to drag ALL of it up, not just the parts that make you feel all warm and fuzzy inside. I don't agree with his reasons for bringing up what he did, but it serves to make the point that you're being rather hypocritical.

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Aug 16, 09, 01:54 #119

Bratwurst Boy:

Well...I remember in history lessons some Irish were quite happy about the mad Hiltler and even pointed the way for the Luftwaffe to England....

Back to your fishies Revvie!

It is madder you are getting. They pointed out England to the Luftwaffe? What the foook where the Luftwaffe doing flying around Ireland at such a low height? Lie much?

The Irish didnt support Hitler, never mind kill anyone for him. Like your ancestors. How many relatives in Hitler youth? You must be proud.

niejestemcapitaThreads: 3 Posts: 666 Joined: Jan 3, 09 ♀	Aug 16, 09, 01:55 #120
Bratwurst Boy: I remember in history lessons some Irish were quite happy about the mad Hitler and even pointed the way for the Luftwaffe to England.... thanks BB for great image.... That way!!! THAT WAY!!!(pointing eastwards....)

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