Gazeta Wyborcza lost 5% of their readers

enderThreads: 13 Posts: 528 Joined: Nov 7, 09 ♂	Jan 5, 11, 19:35 #1
And looks like all Polish language share my joy.

TorqThreads: 65 Posts: 4,024 Joined: Apr 10, 09 MEMBER ♂	Jan 5, 11, 20:03 #2
Yes! That's a good start. Only 95% to go!

sobieskiThreads: 82 Posts: 1,143 Joined: Jun 1, 08 ♂	Jan 5, 11, 20:18 #3
As compared to the microscopic "reader" ship of Julius Streicher's "Nasz Dziennik" you mean ? And looks like all Polish language share my joy. The Polish language shares your joy? Hmmm...

enderThreads: 13 Posts: 528 Joined: Nov 7, 09 ♂	Jan 5, 11, 20:20 #4
Numbers are even more impressive when you look into longer period from 2008 GW lost 87 000 readers

noreenbThreads: 4 Posts: 1,082 Joined: Apr 22, 09 ♀	Jan 5, 11, 20:22 #5
Wow, I can't believe it. :)

sobieskiThreads: 82 Posts: 1,143 Joined: Jun 1, 08 ♂	Jan 5, 11, 20:28 #6
ender: Numbers are even more impressive when you look into longer period from 2008 GW lost 87 000 readers All newspapers worldwide loose readers you fascist twit. What is the "reader"ship again for Julius Streicher's nasz dziennik?

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Edited by: jonni Jan 5, 11, 20:37 #7

ender:

What is the "reader"ship again for Julius Streicher's nasz dziennik?

Since he is avoiding that issue, I'll tell you. They claim to sell around 100,000 copies, about a tenth of Gazeta Wyborcza's with a read-through of only around half as much again. Poles are therefore around nine or ten times likely to buy GW and many more times more likely to read it.

Though given that 'Nasz Dziennik's' core audience have to move their lips while reading, the sound of all those false teeth stuck with crumbs of communion wafer and crushed laxative tablets can't be a pleasant sight.

enderThreads: 13 Posts: 528 Joined: Nov 7, 09 ♂	Jan 5, 11, 20:43 #8
jonni: They claim to sell around 100,000 copies, about a tenth of Gazeta Wyborcza's How do I know you are American? cos you say 100 000 is a tenth of 334 129 nice one.

jonniThreads: 26 Posts: 4,181 Joined: Nov 27, 07 ♂	Edited by: jonni Jan 5, 11, 20:55 #9
ender: How do I know you are American? The same way you 'know' so many, many false and untrue things. ender: cos you say 100 000 is a tenth of 334 129 nice one. Now tell me, do you know the difference between newspaper sales figures and read-through? When your crisp copy of Rydzykisch Beobachter arrives, do you throw it away after reading (a good idea) or do you pass it on to the other inmates?

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Edited by: ender Jan 5, 11, 20:59 #10

Smartbum are you talking about numers as such:

Type Daily newspaper
Format Compact
Owner Agora SA
Editor Adam Michnik
Founded 1989
Political alignment Social liberal
Language Polish
Headquarters Warsaw
Circulation 470,000
Official website wyborcza.pl

According to the publisher, its circulation is about 150,000 with a sell-through of about 100,000. Alternate sources have listed its 1999 circulation at 250,000 [3] and its 1998 readership at 600,000.

FAIL. AGAIN!!! CRY!!!

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Edited by: Torq Jan 5, 11, 21:09 #11

ender:

Numbers are even more impressive when you look into longer period from 2008 GW lost 87 000
readers

Nice. Looks like Aborcza is really going down. About time.

jonni:

Though given that 'Nasz Dziennik's' core audience have to move their lips while reading,
the sound of all those false teeth

I don't move my lips while reading, and my teeth are in perfect condition, thank you.

By the way - could any of you, twats from "I hate Nasz Dziennik" bandwagon,
actually quote one article from it, that would express racist, xenophobic or anti-semite
views? Just post a link to the article, please - because I read "ND" every now and again,
and somehow I've never found any such articles in it. Well, I'm waiting...

*I wouldn't hold my breath though*

jonniThreads: 26 Posts: 4,181 Joined: Nov 27, 07 ♂	Jan 5, 11, 21:19 #12
ender: According to the publisher, its circulation is about 150,000 with a sell-through of about 100,000. Alternate sources have listed its 1999 circulation at 250,000 [3] and its 1998 readership at 600,000. FAIL. AGAIN!!! CRY!!! Check out the real figures - they're all available!

convexThreads: 46 Posts: 7,185 Joined: Nov 25, 09 ♂	Jan 5, 11, 21:43 #13
People still buy physical papers?

alexw68

Jan 5, 11, 21:47 #14

Whatever way you skin this chaps, it's still a non-story.

+/- 5% is just stochastic volatility (white noise, if you prefer) - a normal month-on-month adjustment. Secondly, where there are bigger swings, they are common to all in the quality (humour me here, GW is not red-top tabloid bollocks) print media sector, thanks to pressure from a saturated market, lack of reading time and the Intarwebs. Don't discount the effects of konjunktura either - in harder times, print of any kind is increasingly seen as a luxury expenditure (but downsizing the cable TV contract would be as traumatic as an amputation to most people - go figure)

Just one of hundreds of similar cases in the UK broadsheet market can be found here:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2009/sep/11/quality-newspapers-circula tion-august

enderThreads: 13 Posts: 528 Joined: Nov 7, 09 ♂	Edited by: ender Jan 5, 11, 21:55 #15
jonni: Check out the real figures Keep crying. It's Wiki data not mine. From 2007 GW lost over 120 000 readers . Really nice. What ever. There was no crisis in 2010 in Poland. So unless you ready to admit that Wybiórcza and PO are lying you not allowed to use this argument. :-)

WOWThreads: - Posts: 5 Joined: Jan 5, 11 ♀	Edited by: WOW Jan 5, 11, 22:01 #16
Torq: express racist, xenophobic or anti-semite views Why do you suggest that it would?

alexw68	Edited by: alexw68 Jan 5, 11, 22:03 #17
Repeat - this is a sector-wide issue. It is NOT solely a GW story. Rzeczpospolita's circulation is currently around 160K, down from c 260K a few years ago [Source: WikiPedia]. And the correct conclusion is ... ?

TorqThreads: 65 Posts: 4,024 Joined: Apr 10, 09 MEMBER ♂	Jan 5, 11, 22:06 #18
WOW: Why do you suggest that it would? If you read my post carefully again, you will notice that I suggest something contrary. It is all those muppets from "We hate Nasz Dziennik" bandwagon, who keep accusing ND of the abovementioned views.

SeanBMThreads: 41 Posts: 8,727 Joined: Mar 10, 08 ♂	Edited by: SeanBM Jan 5, 11, 22:08 #19
Torq: It is all those muppets from "We hate Nasz Dziennik" bandwagon, who keep accusing ND of the abovementioned views. You are the one who mentioned racist, xenophobic and anti-semitic views.... things that make you go hmmm? :)

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Edited by: delphiandomine Jan 5, 11, 22:10 #20

alexw68:

And the correct conclusion is ... ?

That Gazeta Wyborcza and Rzeczpospolita reflect European trends in newspapers? :)

(heck, they reflect world trends - plenty of American newspapers are suffering too).

The funniest thing here is that Gazeta Wyborcza is still #1.

How many young people aged 18-30 actually buy it, as opposed to reading on gazeta.pl for instance?

Still, nice to see that the usual suspects are as obsessed with Gazeta Wyborcza as normal. And - that - is why PiS will never, ever regain power.

Incidentally, isn't the circulation of Agora's freesheet more than making up for the loss of readers from Gazeta Wyborcza?

TorqThreads: 65 Posts: 4,024 Joined: Apr 10, 09 MEMBER ♂	Edited by: Torq Jan 5, 11, 22:13 #21
SeanBM: You are the one who mentioned it... Actually - it was Jonni who called Nasz Dziennik "Rydzykisch Beobachter", making a thick allusion to Nazi "Völkischer Beobachter." delphiandomine: PiS will never, ever regain power. Hopefully not. They are a bunch of socialists (God-fearing socialists, but socialists nonetheless.)

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Edited by: delphiandomine Jan 5, 11, 22:16 #22

Torq:

By the way - could any of you, twats from "I hate Nasz Dziennik" bandwagon,
actually quote one article from it, that would express racist, xenophobic or anti-semite
views?

What about I just post some of the nonsense posted about Smolensk? The undertones of EVIL RUSSIA EVIL RUSSIA are so sickeningly obvious, even to a foreigner like me. The fact that they've posted some downright nonsense about it all is enough for me.

Incidentally, it's not just me that's noticed that Nasz Dziennik has toned down a lot (apart from the Smolensk-nonsense) in recent months? No doubt Rydzyk, being a smart guy, has realised that the government is now free to close the newspaper down without fuss.

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Jan 5, 11, 22:19 #23

SeanBM:

You are the one who mentioned

hmm let me put some examples:

sobieski:

the "reader"ship again for Julius Streicher's nasz dziennik

ups not this one

jonni:

'Nasz Dziennik's' core audience have to move their lips while reading, the sound of all those false teeth stuck with crumbs of communion wafer and crushed laxative tablets can't be a pleasant sight

neither this one
some others like fascist has been removed by mods

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Jan 5, 11, 22:19 #24

delphiandomine:

What about I just post some of the nonsense posted about Smolensk?

Sure, if you found something xenophobic, racist or anti-semitic there.

delphiandomine:

The undertones of EVIL RUSSIA EVIL RUSSIA

No, I'm not interested in "undertones", as you put it. Just quote an article and show
me something concrete, substantial - that could be considered xenophobic or anti-Russian
in them. Then I will admit I was wrong.

enderThreads: 13 Posts: 528 Joined: Nov 7, 09 ♂	Jan 5, 11, 22:20 #25
delphiandomine: The funniest thing here is that Gazeta Wyborcza is still #1 Funniest thing here is you. GW is 2nd Fakt is 1st

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Jan 5, 11, 22:24 #26

Torq:

No, I'm not interested in "undertones", as you put it. Just quote an article and show
me something concrete, substantial - that could be considered xenophobic or anti-Russian
in them. Then I will admit I was wrong.

I'll keep an eye on the website - though weirdly, they seem to be now supporting the official version of events. I don't get it - they've been publishing nonsense for months, and now they're posting an eyewitness view that confirms fog and a horrific plane crash?

ender:

Funniest thing here is you. GW is 2nd Fakt is 1st

Well, if you consider Fakt a newspaper...

TorqThreads: 65 Posts: 4,024 Joined: Apr 10, 09 MEMBER ♂	Edited by: Torq Jan 5, 11, 22:29 #27
delphiandomine: I'll keep an eye on the website Oh, by all means, don't limit yourself to current articles only. Feel free to search the archives as well. Just find me something concrete, that would show us all how terrible this "nazi", "fascist", "Rydzykisch Beobachter" rag, really is. Just one article, it's all I ask for. Good luck.

enderThreads: 13 Posts: 528 Joined: Nov 7, 09 ♂	Jan 5, 11, 22:33 #28
delphiandomine: Well, if you consider Fakt a newspaper I do and I consider GW as szmatławiec. Try to google it :-)

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Edited by: aphrodisiac Jan 5, 11, 22:49 #29

and what is the problem I ask?

GW still has one of the best written articles. I am an avid reader online and of the paper version.

I left Poland 8 year ago and I remember that it was a free country in regards to freedom of reading. Now I hear that my neighbour harasses my elderly father because he reads GW - that is a shame since he was there when her husband tried to kill her (true story).

It is interesting how some people have seen life and still don't understand what goes around them.

To make to story short: all those who think that they can stop people from reading what they want to read: fek off. It ain't gonna happen!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am still waiting for the OP to show what is wrong with GW.

enderThreads: 13 Posts: 528 Joined: Nov 7, 09 ♂	Jan 5, 11, 23:04 #30
aphrodisiac: I am still waiting for the OP to show what is wrong with GW. It's easy to find on the internet.

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