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jwojcieThreads: 3
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Joined: Jan 3, 09 ♂ 		Edited by: jwojcie  Jan 29, 10, 16:00    #31
No, I don't rember any changes in recent years, but I must add I didn't follow it to closely.
If you are thinking about something like difference in USA between headline U-3 and U-6 then I haven't seen such clasification in Poland. But I must add, that in Poland part time workers also don't fall in unemployed category as long as they receive half of minimum wage.
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Joined: Jan 19, 09 ♂ [Suspended] 		 Jan 29, 10, 16:11    #32
RockyMason:
Does poland lack wealth b/c its just fresh out of communism?

Mostly yes, 40~ of central planning require a similar time to rectify the damage.
convexThreads: 46
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Joined: Nov 25, 09  Pictures: 2 ♂ 		 Jan 29, 10, 16:28    #33
jwojcie:
But I must add, that in Poland part time workers also don't fall in unemployed category as long as they receive half of minimum wage.

I saw that too in the wikipedia link.

The reason that I ask is, lets take 2006 for example. Unemployment fell from 17.6% to 14.9% with the creation of 31,000 jobs (this may be off, got it from E&Y, up for better sources). From a labor force of about 17 million, 17.6% is about 3,000,000 unemployed 14.9% is 2,500,000. Do you think that half a million jobs were created in 2006? It seems like something is missing.

Just seems kind of strange, the only thing that I could think of would be some sort of changes being applied to unemployment criteria.
bullfrogThreads: 4
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Joined: Apr 23, 09 ♂ 		 Jan 29, 10, 16:46    #34
convex:
Do you think that half a million jobs were created in 2006? It seems like something is missing.

The denominator changed: the labor base shrunk considerably due to Poles' emigration to other EU countries
convexThreads: 46
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Joined: Nov 25, 09  Pictures: 2 ♂ 		 Jan 29, 10, 17:07    #35
bullfrog:
The denominator changed: the labor base shrunk considerably due to Poles' emigration to other EU countries

If you take 500,000 emigres out of the available labor pool, you still end up with about 450,000 jobs created in order to give a 3% decline in unemployment. That would only work everyone that emigrated was unemployed. Looking over the longer term, to get from 20% unemployment to the current 10%(ish), there either were a lot of jobs created, or 1.7million million unemployed poles emigrated.

Do you know if the majority of the emigres were officially registered as unemployed in Poland?
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Joined: Apr 11, 08 ♂ 		 Jan 29, 10, 17:13    #36
It has been correctly said that California is like a breakfast cereal. When you take away the fruits and nuts, only the flakes are left!
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Joined: Nov 30, 09 ♂ 		Edited by: jeden  Jan 29, 10, 17:14    #37
In 2009 the California economic crisis became severe as the state faces insolvency.[51]

In June 2009 Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger said "Our wallet is empty, our bank is closed and our credit is dried up."

unemplyment 2009 12.1%

OOpss. Something went wrong...;)
convexThreads: 46
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Joined: Nov 25, 09  Pictures: 2 ♂ 		 Jan 29, 10, 17:28    #38
California was always kind of like the guy that used to live next door that always used to buy new stuff to show off. The one that talked crap about his poor neighbors. You know, the guy that now lives in his parents basement eating noodles and listening to NPR.
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Joined: Feb 1, 10  Pictures: 1 ♂ 		 Feb 1, 10, 03:49    #39
No this is bcoz this country have had 2 world wars fought on its territory.Came out of the second ww as a biggest loser ,losing 30% of its territory ,germans and soviets took whatever they could,industry was completly destroyed or taken by invaders.then found itself under communist rule(partially thanks to its "allies")for another 45years.And I DO NOT find it humorous.
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RockyMason:
Does poland lack wealth b/c its just fresh out of communism? Is it because of a lack of natural resources? OR is it because of the work ethic of polish workers? Is it because of the social low standing of poland vs other more well liked places?

yes
TymoteuszThreads: 7
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Joined: Jul 25, 09 ♂ 		 Feb 1, 10, 05:04    #41
California is fail.
convexThreads: 46
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McCoy:
yes

exactly

Tymoteusz:
California is fail.

epic fail, close to zimbabwe fail
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Joined: Aug 10, 06 ♀ 		 Feb 1, 10, 17:59    #43
grubas:
No this is bcoz this country have had 2 world wars fought on its territory.Came out of the second ww as a biggest loser ,losing 30% of its territory ,germans and soviets took whatever they could,industry was completly destroyed or taken by invaders.then found itself under communist rule(partially thanks to its "allies")for another 45years.And I DO NOT find it humorous.

hahaha another funny polak joke
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Joined: Jul 13, 09 ♂ 		 Feb 1, 10, 18:36    #44
grubas:
No this is bcoz this country have had 2 world wars fought on its territory

One world war, one ...
jedenThreads: -
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Joined: Nov 30, 09 ♂ 		 Feb 1, 10, 19:13    #45
One world war, one ...


There were 2 world wars...

the first 1914

secend 1939
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Joined: Jul 13, 09 ♂ 		 Feb 1, 10, 19:49    #46
jeden:
There were 2 world wars

Is that right... ;)

Only one world war was fought on Polish territory - WW2. During WW1 Poland did not exist. Clearer?
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TheOther:
Only one world war was fought on Polish territory - WW2. During WW1 Poland did not exist. Clearer?

There was a lot of fighting during WWI on what is now Polish territory. There are at least two Commonwealth war cemeteries from WWI in Poland. And Polish people were fighting in WWI, albeit on both sides.
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Joined: Nov 30, 09 ♂ 		 Feb 1, 10, 20:13    #48
This is partially true... Poland didn`t take part in wwI, but polish soldiers and organisations yes. What`s more, a lot of cities in later polish territory have been destroyed... There lived Poles and their houses, manufactures were destroyed.
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Joined: Jul 13, 09 ♂ 		Edited by: TheOther  Feb 1, 10, 20:29    #49
jonni
I was only refering to grubas statement that there were 2 world wars fought on Polish territory. That is simply wrong, because legally there was no Polish territory during WW1.
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Joined: Nov 27, 07 ♂ 		Edited by: jonni  Feb 1, 10, 20:34    #50
TheOther:
no Polish territory during WW1.

You are right in that it wasn't Poland as a legal entity, but they were preparing for independence, and it was Poland as a geographical and national description.

The invsion of £ód¿ and Warsaw during WWI was, as i understand it, fairly well received, since the Russians had been ruthless with conscription.
CrisisMaven  Feb 1, 10, 20:38    #51
About GDP comparisons: I have just added a Reference List (crisismaven.wordpress.com/references/)to my economics blog with economic data series, history, bibliographies etc. for students & researchers.
jwojcieThreads: 3
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Joined: Jan 3, 09 ♂ 		Edited by: jwojcie  Feb 2, 10, 00:50    #52
convex:
The reason that I ask is, lets take 2006 for example. Unemployment fell from 17.6% to 14.9% with the creation of 31,000 jobs (this may be off, got it from E&Y, up for better sources). From a labor force of about 17 million, 17.6% is about 3,000,000 unemployed 14.9% is 2,500,000. Do you think that half a million jobs were created in 2006? It seems like something is missing.

Just seems kind of strange, the only thing that I could think of would be some sort of changes being applied to unemployment criteria.

I dig out some GUS data, and it seems that according to them in 2006 almost half a milion jobs were indeed added... post link to your E&Y data and maybe someone on the forum will spot where is the difference. Here you have "ECONOMIC ACTIVITY OF THE POPULATION IN 2003-2007":
http://www.stat.gov.pl/cps/rde/xbcr/gus/PUBL_pw_aktyw_ekonom_ludnosci_ 2003_2007.pdf

From personal experience I must say that it is not hard to believe in that number. As I remember that year, job pages in newspapers were thick like a book and on every other store window there were job adverts too. 2006 was quite good year indeed...

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