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German mayor calls for reintroduction of border controls on Polish border


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Klaus-Dieter Hubner, the mayor of Guben, claimed that since Poland joined the Schengen zone in 2007 thefts in the region have soared by 32 per cent.

"The fear of being checked at the border at any time would deter criminals," from taking stolen goods across the border, he explained.

The call for controls will increase pressure on the Schengen zone. A bulwark of the EU, the borderless zone has come under severe criticism for failing to mitigate illegal migration and cross-border crime, and in early July Demark broke ranks with fellow Schengen-zone members by becoming the first country to reimpose border controls.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/8637157/Germa n-mayor-calls-for-reintroduction-of-border-controls-on-Polish-border.h tml
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PennBoy:
"The fear of being checked at the border at any time would deter criminals," from taking stolen goods across the border, he explained.


they still do spot checks.
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Wroclaw:
they still do spot checks.

Poland certainly does. And not at the border crossing points either!
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Harry:
Poland certainly does.

He was talking about Germany.
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PennBoy:
He was talking about Germany.

So why is it news that Germany wants to do what Poland already does?
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PennBoy:
He was talking about Germany.


when the police catch bad guys it doesn't matter where either come from.

they are bringing things back into Poland, so it's only right that the Polish side nab them.

the answer might be better security in germany. if u don't want to lose it, nail it down.
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Harry:
So why is it news that Germany wants to do what Poland already does?

Not spot checks some distance behind it but on the border itself, border checks which goes against Schengen.
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PennBoy:
Not spot checks some distance behind it but on the border itself, border checks which goes against Schengen.


the border is a line across the road. they can stop u a metre from it, can't they. cars are sometimes checked about one or two km from the border crossing i use.

in most places there is one road, one crossing point, and the same people doing the checking, whether that be one metre, one km, makes no difference.
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Saxony introduced spot checks in 2010, but had to stop them after Poles and Czechs complained about discrimination.
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Isn't the German police able to work on Polish territory? While Polish police can't? Or was that law never passed?
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PennBoy:
Isn't the German police able to work on Polish territory? While Polish police can't? Or was that law never passed?


i know that german police can chase cars over the border and on to the next one. because they have done it. bad guys found that ukraine play by different rules. at least that's how i remember it.

on trains they seem to work between stations. one in Poland the other in germany. but you'll find Poles working with germans and each speaking the other's language. i haven't seen any checks on the trains for quite some time though.

we have spoken about this in other threads.
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PennBoy:
Isn't the German police able to work on Polish territory? While Polish police can't? Or was that law never passed?


They can go upto 30km in "hot pursuit" - there are some rules about the use of weapons, but in general, they can go into each others country if needs be. I think the idea is that they're supposed to chase them until the other police can take over. Doesn't happen often, though.

PennBoy:
"The fear of being checked at the border at any time would deter criminals," from taking stolen goods across the border, he explained.


Uh, the fear is already there. I've been stopped twice on the border, and friends of mine (living in Slubice, studying in Frankfurt) are forever getting stopped in the middle of the night for random checks on the border.

I must admit - I'm not a fan of Schengen in the current implementation. The original idea, where traffic would have to pass through the border at a slow speed, by border guards (but not having to stop) was very sensible. This implementation is just too extreme - I'm just not a fan of leaving the border wide open.

I'm convinced that we will see a return of border guards on the border, probably with something similar to what I've said above. There's just too much cross-border crime being committed to keep with the current totally open system.
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delphiandomine:
I'm convinced that we will see a return of border guards on the border, probably with something similar to what I've said above. There's just too much cross-border crime being committed to keep with the current totally open system.

Based on what I've been reading, I think you're right.
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PennBoy:
Isn't the German police able to work on Polish territory? While Polish police can't? Or was that law never passed?


German police can cross the Polish border, and vice versa. AFAIK all Schengen countries have such arrangements. Poland was the last neighbour of Germany to sign such a contract, AFAIK only after Schengen was implemented. This was the reason for some minor resentment in Germany, which had such arrangements with all other neighbours (except Czechia) for ages. And the Czechs AFAIK signed it ~5 years before Poland.
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delphiandomine:
m convinced that we will see a return of border guards on the border, probably with something similar to what I've said above. There's just too much cross-border crime being committed to keep with the current totally open system.

You're right to a point. I can see a system where the external borders get very strong protection but there are some checks on the internal borders.
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There is an old saying that 'good fences make good neighbors'...Since I don't live there, I can't speak from first hand experience, but I would imagine there are still some border check-points, yes?...While it makes sense that Europeans should have a more relaxed entry when traveling to neighboring countries, I think any concept of completely open borders goes against common sense...A nation should have security at it's frontiers, and it should be used in a common sense manner...I would imagine that the police have lists of suspects for various crimes, and they co-operate with other police forces in keeping an eye on people in transit...Transit areas were increased criminal activity appears would be more heavily scrutinized....And while some would cry 'racism' it makes sense that non-Europeans should undergo a little closer scrutiny.

Of course, much of the crime is inter-European...I would recommend the film trilogy 'Pusher' for an illustration of this in Denmark and the Scandinavian countries.


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