GERMANS WANT TO GERMANIZE KOPERNIK (COPERNICUS)!!! OUTRAGE!!!

WARSAW - Poles are up in arms over what they complain is the European Commission's "Germanization" of the name of the father of modern astronomy, Nicolas Copernicus, in the title of an EU space program.

The commission has officially changed the name of the EU's GMES (Global Monitoring for Environment and Security) programme to "Kopernikus," the German spelling of Copernicus, at the initiative of Commission Vice President Guenter Verheugen, a German. The Polish spelling is "Kopernik."

Thus the child of a German family was a subject of the Polish crown.

What do you know about Copernicus' family? His upbringing? The languages he used?

German boy, this is serious stuff!

One can say summarizing, that Copernicus' working language was Latin, his mother tongue was German, his sovereign was Polish and his father tongue was probably Polish. He is undisputedly a Central-European.

Eastern Germans are Germanic or Slavic or Polish or Lusatian ?

By the way, what does it mean ethinc German ?

He was born on Polish territory at that time

Prove that he wrote his work in German?

There are no extant letters written by Copernicus in Polish - those which have survived are all in Latin or German. However, Latin was at the time the international language of scholars and those letters in German might have been addressed to German-speakers and therefore for this specific purpose written in that language. The official languages of the Holy Roman Empire were Latin and German. (The Spanish Habsburg emperor(s) had to sign an agreement, to only use Latin or German in official HRE business.)

But as I said before, we should officially share him... why won't you?

And he isn't "suddenly" german...just read his bio!

I can't understand how you Poles want to claim him as he was born in german territory (which later changed hands as this happened so often), into a german family, spoke probably never polish in his life (his works are in latin and german)...

He has never been known as German. Get that through your head. The German arguments are BS- you know it. You believe your BS cuz you're German. Let's get the Brits to settle this. Answer why nobody else sees him as German???

we need him to feel better about ourselves...
;)

He has never been known as German.

Yes, everything has "polish blood"...let's claim some more....


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I am a neutral observer of this argument, and now do declare that the Poles have won. Copernicus is, and always will be a Pole in all our minds.
Yes, thats right German Boy, take that Bratwurst and stick it somewhere where the sun don't shine!

A polish way of discussion surely but it won't help you much...neither here on this board nor in the EU! I fear if your PiS arguments like you do (feet stompin, tantrum throwing) the project will stay named "Kopernikus"...

nor do you bring any arguments for your side!

neither here on this board nor in the EU! I

he studied in Bologna and Padua too. Does that make him Italian

1. Copernicus was born on Polish land (at the time yes, and the boarders change often, yes, FACT, but it was Polish at the time)

2. If he really felt so proud to be German, he would have helped his fellow brethren in capturing more Polish land

There is supposed evidence to suggest that Copernicus was Polish by allegiance (in terms of the politics of the time): in 1512, when he was Canon of the Chapter of Frombork, Copernicus swore allegiance to King Sigismund I of Poland (who, before becoming king of Poland, had already become and remained governor of Silesia. While allocating a plot of land to a peasant April 23April 23 is the 113th day of the year in the Gregorian Calendar (114th in leap years). There are 252 days remaining. Events 215 BC A temple is built on the Capitoline Hill dedicated to Venus Erycina to commemorate the Roman defeat at Lake Trasum. 303 Sainrd 1517Events January 22 Battle of Ridanieh. The Turkish forces of Selim I defeat the main Mameluk army in Egypt under Touman Bey. February 3 Capture of Cairo by the Turks First contact of organized western merchants with China. August 15 Portuguese merchant Fer he wrote this line: "actum dias St Adalberti, Pater Patroni et Apostoli" (given on the day of St Adalbert, patron of the Motherland and apostole). St Adalbert of PragueAdalbert (Czech: Vojtech Polish: Wojciech Germanic equivalent Adalbert the joy of warrior was born of a noble family in Libice, Bohemia about the year 956. He studied for ten years in Magdeburg under Saint Adalbert. When Adalbert died, Vojtech took on the (Wojciech) is a patron of Poland. On the other hand St Adalbert is the Patron of PrussiaThe word Prussia ( German: Preussen (Preussen Polish: Prusy Lithuanian: Prusai Latin: Borussia has had various (often contradictory) meanings: The land of the Baltic Prussians (in what is now parts of southern Lithuania, the Kaliningrad exclave of Russia, BohemiaBohemia Cechy in Czech, Bohmen in German) is an historical region in central Europe, occupying the western and middle thirds of the Czech Republic. With an area of 52,750 sq. 25 million of the country's 10. 3 million inabitants, Bohemia is bounded by Germ & HungaryThe Republic of Hungary is a landlocked country in Central Europe, bordered by Austria, Slovakia, Ukraine, Romania, Serbia, Croatia and Slovenia. It is known locally as the Country of the Magyars or Magyarorszag''. Magyar Koztarsasag ( In Detail) ( Full s too and missionary of Prussia!

3. His father was Polish, and considered himself Polish. Males count more it seems, (patriarchal society) when determining nationality in the centuries past, therefore, Nicholas is Polish.

He several times signed as his name Kopperlingk, possibly because his father's family business in the city of Thorn/Torun was copper and therefore the Low German Kopper (High German Kupfer) and the -lingk ending indicated someone who dabbled in copper. It has been the custom of German people to take on the occupations or the town names as last names.

One can say summarizing, that Copernicus' working language was Latin, his mother tongue was German, his sovereign was Polish and his father tongue was probably Polish. He is undisputedly a Central-European

POLSKAAAAAA, BIALO CZERWONI, POLSKAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA, BIALO CZERWONI!

Raus!

The Poles are right about being suspicious of Germans trying to have too much control in the E.U. This is what happens.

Shortly before

Copernicus and his uncle Watzenrode remained Catholic.

organized the defence of Olsztyn

Just read the link again...

since even the name suggests that also his father was german!

that Copernicus' great-grandfather had obtained citizenship in the city of Kraków around 1400. Kraków, like many medieval cities, had been created under Magdeburg law and later became a Hanseatic League city, but was Polish.

In terms of the political geography of his time, the position that Copernicus was born Polish is undoubtedly correct.

Moreover, they point out that, when in Bologna, just like his uncle, he joined the German school especially established by the Vatican to educate German clergy, the "...Natio Germanorum". However, it should also be pointed out that, at that time, there was in fact no country called Germany. Instead there was the Holy Roman Empire of German Nation. Another fact is that "natio" was student corporation, not declaration of nationality. In most universities there were Italian, German etc "natio"s and most of Polish students were joining German "natio".

There are no extant letters written by Copernicus in Polish - those which have survived are all in Latin or German. However, Latin was at the time the international language of scholars and those letters in German might have been addressed to German-speakers and therefore for this specific purpose written in that language.

One can say summarizing, that Copernicus' working language was Latin, his mother tongue was German, his sovereign was Polish and his father tongue was probably Polish. He is undisputedly a Central-European.

He several times signed as his name Kopperlingk, possibly because his father's family business in the city of Thorn/Torun was copper and therefore the Low German Kopper (High German Kupfer) and the -lingk ending indicated someone who dabbled in copper. It has been the custom of German people to take on the occupations or the town names as last names.

2 days, 2 years, before, after, who cares? What counts is that was within Polish boundaries at the time.

If he wanted to remain Catholic, and the Teutonic knights were Catholic then why...

Yawn.. Kopperlingk. So its German. It proves nothing but the fact that his dad dealt with more rich Germans in his business than rich Poles.

And she considered herself Polish!

What remains is the fact that the Germans are attempting to Germanize a man that was obviously a Polish citizen.

German point of view is strange in this part of europe.

I can go...

a Pole or a germanized Pole but a GERMAN, subject of the polish crown

That's great for your grandmom but Kopernikus surely did feel differently or he wouldn't had used this sig in all of his books:

Lieutenant-General Władysław Anders (August 11, 1892 –May 12, 1970) was a General in the Polish Army and later in life a politician with the Polish government-in-exile in London.

Anders was born on August 11, 1892 to his Baltic-German father Albert Anders and his mother Elizabeth, born Tauchert,[1] in the Polish village of Krośniewice-Błonie, near Kutno which at that time was part of the Russian Empire (Partitions of Poland). He was baptized as a Protestant, member of the Evangelical-Augsburg Church in Poland

Anders Army - together with a sizeable contingent of Polish and Jewish civilians, along the Persian Corridor into Iran, Iraq and Palestine; where Anders formed and led the 2nd Polish Corps while agitating for the release of Polish nationals still in the Soviet Union. It was during this time that large numbers of non-combat-capable Polish men and women were sent to Britain. Many stayed, and made their way in the world after the end of the war.

Anders was the commander of the 2nd Polish Corps in Italy 1943–1946, capturing Monte Cassino in the Battle of Monte Cassino.

Now what kind of PROUD, decent German would do this when a Teutonic victory would have resulted in the greater good for glorious Germany?