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David_18Threads: 111
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The three European Union military powers signed an agreement in Brussels to put together a unit of 1,700 soldiers that will take part in the rotation of the EU's rapid reaction force, known as battlegroups.

The technical agreement between the high-ranking military officers from the Germany, France and Poland comes four days after Poland took over the the EU's rotating presidency.

Poland will command the group, providing the core combat troops and a mechanised battalion, a high-ranking French military official said in Brussels.

Germany will provide logistical support, while France will contribute with medical support.



http://www.expatica.com/fr/news/french-news/germany-france-and-poland- form-eu-battlegroup_161085.html

Pretty smart move from the German and the French side. They stand for logistic and medicin while the Poles goes out and die, AWSOME!

How does this benefit Poland? Poland ain't a "super power" so why does it push its resources to the limit?

I'm for the Visegrad battle group but this is just to much...
Wroclaw BoyThreads: 57
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David_18:
How does this benefit Poland? Poland ain't a "super power" so why does it push its resources to the limit?

is that 1700 divided by three?
David_18Threads: 111
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Wroclaw Boy:
is that 1700 divided by three?


Don't think so... Don't think you need 1 medic for each soldier ^^
SeanusThreads: 22
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Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂ 		 Jul 5, 11, 22:14    #4
Libya here we come ;) ;)
TheHessianThreads: 1
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You don't seem to know what a "EU battlegroup" is.

As mentioned in the article there are allways 2 battlegroups on standby, basicly making sure that the EU allways has a small force ready to deploy immediatly if needed.

There is ALLWAYS one "Lead Nation" per battlegroup that basicly carries the main burden.
Thats the only way it can currently be aranged. You can't just take a few German soldiers and put them together with Polish soldiers and expect them to be a working military unit from day one. They would actually have to train together which needs time and resources itself.
And remember that those battlegroups are supposed to be ready for action at any time. They are called "Quick reaction force" for a reason.

In the past there have been battlegroups were France and Germany were the "Lead Nation" while others were playing supporting roles.
Now in this battlegroup Poland is the Lead Nation like it already was last year in "Battle Group I-2010".

They will be on standby for half a year, then the rotation kicks in and 2 other battlegroups will take over with other countries beeing the Lead Nation.

Oh, and so far no EU Battlegroup was ever called into action. Just as a sidenote ;)
CrowThreads: 367
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Joined: Feb 14, 07  Pictures: 1 ♂ [Suspended] 		 Jul 5, 11, 22:35    #6
Germany, France and Poland form EU battlegroup

see?

THEY formed that battle-group just to prevent new Poland`s move in direction of Visegrad battle-group. THEY increased control over Poland.

David_18:
I'm for the Visegrad battle group but this is just to much...

what to tell you. i`m also for Visegrad battle-group
NathanThreads: 33
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Joined: Feb 13, 09 ♂ 		 Jul 5, 11, 22:35    #7
David_18:
Pretty smart move from the German and the French side. They stand for logistic and medicin while the Poles goes out and die, AWSOME!

And where they will be dying? From all the conquerings and take-backs one reads about on PF it seems quite reasonable to have Polish army with rifles at hands. How will you get Polabia, western Ukraine and Berlin? You have to fight. So, this is a great chance to prepare. You don't think the lands to grab will be waiting with bread and salt for you, do you? ;)
rockThreads: 6
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Joined: Jun 13, 08 ♂ 		Edited by: rock  Jul 5, 11, 22:50    #8
They are preparing for Chinese or Aliens I guess.

Germany, France and Poland. What a combination. lol
David_18Threads: 111
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Nathan:
western Ukraine

We wont need to invade you :)

We will invite you to the to our eastern partnership program for our less developed neighbours and make you our serf. Do you really think we want you in the EU? There is a reason why Polish politicans says Ukraine will enter EU somewhere betwen 2020-2030. We will delay it just like with the Euro :)
Monia  Jul 5, 11, 23:06    #10
The next way to waste money. What is the need for setting up a new unit as similar , within EU already exists. The Poles probably like to spend money on armaments.

Soldiers will be shooting on exercises, the commanders will be leading them, everyone will be happy.

Gents way to kill time
NathanThreads: 33
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David_18:
Do you really think we want you in the EU?

I don't think about your intentions. I don't want to see my country entering before 2050 even. I want it to get stronger on its own, trading with the world without anyone telling us what to do or making a resource base from my country. Frankly, it looks like Poland is much more anxious to see Ukraine in the EU than our current government. Whatever will happen in the future I don't want Ukraine to forego its strong points just to satisfy the entrance requirements.
David_18:
We will delay it

;)))) We ;))))
hague1cmaeronThreads: 21
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Nathan:
forego its strong points just to satisfy the entrance requirements.


Like???? What exactly would those be?

Kowtowing to Russia does not count....nor does begging cap in hand for cheaper Russian gas(:

BTW: You already have foreigners utilizing your very rich land: Ukraine's Agricultural revolution.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/newsnight/8218104.stm
The only think that is missing is the Polish landowner.

Those bucolic paintings of the Ukrainian countryside are already filling my mind-the ones I admired at the national gallery in Krakow. At least with Polish landowners it would feel more right.
PolskiMocThreads: 7
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TheHessian:
As mentioned in the article there are allways 2 battlegroups on standby, basicly making sure that the EU allways has a small force ready to deploy immediatly if needed


Yes, Didn't Nazi Germany have a similar method?

So, the EU essentially keeps these battlegroups to keep people in line?

It kind of seems like the EU can do what it wants & if people rebel then they can just get the battle groups to go after them to make sure people stay in line.

Hmm, Smells like Nazi Germany & the Soviet Union.
isthatu2Threads: 13
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Joined: Apr 3, 08 ♂ 		 Jul 6, 11, 14:01    #14
what a fekkin joke...the only EU force that ever does any fighting is Britain anyway,so all you sit on the fence,lets just train a few police and sit tight in our compounds,and fer christ sake dont ever go out at night armed forces that play at being soldiers can do what the heck you want,Im sure they will have great fun going on weekend exercises .............
Go on,tell me all about there being Poles and Germans in Afgan and I will show you forces that dont fight,just occasionally,sadly,die.
The french tragically lost a few guys in one battle and so,being very French,turned tail and ran ,prefering instead to play at being power brokers in their former african colonies......
1,700.....lols,so that would be about 400/500 ,tops, combat soldiers anyway........
NathanThreads: 33
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hague1cmaeron:
Like????

Hard-working people, for one.
hague1cmaeron:
The only think that is missing is the Polish landowner.

He makes those beautiful shoots of wheat from underground. Someone needs to fertilize. So, nobody's missing.
warszawskiThreads: 60
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Seanus:
Libya here we come ;) ;)


Nail on head.
hague1cmaeronThreads: 21
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Joined: Mar 30, 10 ♂ 		Edited by: hague1cmaeron  Jul 6, 11, 14:17    #17
Nathan:
Hard-working people, for one.

We all like to think we are hard working, especially when it really counts.

Nathan:
He makes those beautiful shoots of wheat from underground. Someone needs to fertilize. So, nobody's missing.

Oh come now we understand the Ukrainian Саул better than anyone(:
SeanusThreads: 22
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Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂ 		 Jul 6, 11, 14:23    #18
Poland has the mohair beret regiment, totally invincible!! They should be the first point of contact for any potential invader ;)

On a slightly more serious note, why why why? I know Quadaffi talked about sending his troops here but nobody really took him seriously. More money wasted.
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hague1cmaeron:
We all like to think we are hard working, especially when it really counts

It is not what I like to think, it is what I know.
hague1cmaeron:
Oh come now we understand the Ukrainian Саул better than anyone(:

And what would that be? Hear for the first time.
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Perhaps some of you would be interested to know that just few days ago one of the Polish battalions has become certified as "combat ready" battalion of 2012 Nato Response Force.

This is the 2 Motorized Infantry Battalion, 12 Mechanized Brigade, 12 Szczecin Motorized Division. The certification process was finalized on June 30, after 10 days and nights of various practical exercises on the military training grounds in Drawsko Pomorskie, which followed many months of training and preparation and almost continuous four-months stay at training ranges in Wędrzyn and Drawsko Pomorskie. See: http://polska-zbrojna.pl/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id= 13192:batalion-son-combat-ready&catid=50:wojska-ldowe&Itemid=99
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Nathan:
And what would that be? Hear for the first time.


You know how they love working in the outdoors, with the sunshine shining down upon them, and the vast expense of the Ukrainian steppe stretching out before them. looking out into the distance at the gold colored land reflecting the rays of the sun, and touching the pale blue sky. The smell of freshly cut grass, and perhaps the image of the slowly winding Dnieper making its way south.

The people though stout and hardy from the outside, are innocent and simple on the inside with a strong love of the family as their overriding concern.

And finally when sunset comes, they know that their work is almost done for the day, and they watch and admire the blood red sunset reflect its rays upon their golden land and soon it will be time for evening prayers. As they make their way home, perhaps someone will strike up an old Ukrainian folk tune and be joined by others in harmony. finally just before reaching their homes, they will pass the beautifully proportioned whitewashed and prosperous looking manner house of their Polish lord, who whilst standing above the steps to the entrance will look at his workers with a degree of concern....as though they were part of his own family (and perhaps because of his earlier indiscretions some of them are) like a father figure showing concern for his children. He will see an image of figures making their way single file, some of them leading horses and doffing their caps as they walk past, and he will reflect on this image set against the setting sun as the last rays peer from underneath the golden colored hair of his workers-as gold as the Ukrainian fields. during this moment of wistful melancholy he will wonder what tomorrow will bring just like yesterday and the day before that.
NathanThreads: 33
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Joined: Feb 13, 09 ♂ 		 Jul 7, 11, 04:36    #22
Beautiful description I admit :) You might become a good Polish writer and score another "Chlopie" someday. Nowadays the only Polish "lords" are with crosses over their long ago rotten bodies and lonely wolves make love on their graves when the moon touches with its silver robe their grey and bulky spines. Hungry rats make cushy nests for their pups in the skulls of the dead and their overblown from avarous consumption of practically decomposed tissue stomachs release the pleasant smell of the glorious past of the "lords". A happy peasant takes a p*ss nearby and goes home for a filling supper. He knows that at the end of his days he will be buried at HOME close to his family and not become a place of exquisite canine orgies like disgraceful invaders.
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David_18:
How does this benefit Poland

It's a good move. Poland holds the presidency and, as such, should take the lead. Poland as a "junior" member wants needs to show her older, more-experienced member nations, that Polak potrafi(a Poles can handle it). It's good experience; good PR.
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Nathan:
Beautiful description I admit :)


Why thank you, you do make me blush. It must be those paintings i have seen.
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Germany, France and Poland form EU battlegroup

Poles my sisters and brothers, don`t do that. This would only generate more jokes on the account of Poles and Poland
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isthatu2:
what a fekkin joke...the only EU force that ever does any fighting is Britain anyway

Joke is an understatement. This concept of European BG is flawed in so many ways that in reality it’s no more than a paper army which will eventually be used as a police force within EU rather than outside as it was originally intended.

Though it looks to me like Brits and French have missed a perfect opportunity of testing this concept which btw is your own brainchild in the real theater of Libya on humanitarian grounds. After all; UK and France have joint European BG which was certified and operationally capable as of 05 I believe, so much for the Brits doing all the fighting. LOL what’s the matter? No balls between the two of you? Face it, these days the British bulldog is no more than a lapdog in US hands, been like that since the end of WWII. Though there was a brief moment of hope when it took a woman to grow some balls and take an independent action.
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isthatu2:
what a fekkin joke

That's the exact thing I though. These pro-EU and NATO newspapers are full of ****. The west will never see Poland on equal terms not militarily not economically. At best it will be somewhere where Spain is now.
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ShortHairThug:
This concept of European BG is flawed in so many ways that in reality it’s no more than a paper army which will eventually be used as a police force within EU rather than outside as it was originally intended.

Im not normally one to join the tin foil hat brigade but....................remember the Roman Empire?
legions raised from one side of Europe to surpress the tribes in another corner of Europe...
It was Hungarian cavalry in the fort down the road from me here in england so.......

ShortHairThug:
After all; UK and France have joint European BG which was certified and operationally capable as of 05 I believe, so much for the Brits doing all the fighting. LOL what’s the matter? No balls between the two of you?

Try 10 thousand combat troops in Afganistan and 80 thousand in the Invasion of iraq....from a standing army of 100 thousand and then come back and say we dont pull our weight and half the rest of Europes weight too......sorry,how many Polish combat troops,anywhere?
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isthatu2:
remember the Roman Empire?

Exactly my point.
isthatu2:
from a standing army of 100 thousand and then come back and say we dont pull our weight and half the rest of Europes weight too......sorry,how many Polish combat troops,anywhere?

You missed my point, it’s not the number of troops or even how bravely they fought. It’s whose bidding are we doing, certainly not a European one or of self-interest of ones nation and Poland is no better in this respect than Britain.
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The article, linked here, quotes an unnamed Polish source regarding Polish "to do" list in area of European defense. One issue, for example, is this:
Poland wants to use its term as president of the European Union to promote a strategic debate on how to avoid gaps in EU battlegroup rosters.

No EU countries have volunteered to be part of an EU battlegroup for one particular six-month period in 2012.

http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?i=7031116&c=EUR&s=TOP

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