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After a year of tough negotiations, Germany has agreed to pay pensions to about 16,000 additional Holocaust victims worldwide — mostly survivors who were once starving children in Nazi ghettos, or were forced to live in hiding for fear of death.
Under the new rules, which go into effect Jan. 1, any Jew who spent at least 12 months in a ghetto, in hiding or living under a false identity, is eligible for a monthly pension of 300 euros (about $375) a month. For countries in the former Soviet bloc, that amount is 260 euros.
The Germans established more than 1,000 ghettos for Jews while the Nazi leadership in Berlin deliberated the "Final Solution" -- a plan to murder all European Jews. Some ghettos existed for only a few days, others for months or years, before residents were either shot in mass graves or deported to death camps.

More than 400,000 lived in Poland's Warsaw ghetto, and hundreds of thousands of others were squeezed into similar enclaves in Eastern European cities like Vilnius, Lodz, Minsk and Odessa -- starved and often battling deadly illnesses while forced to work.

Germany also has agreed to offer pensions to those who are 75 or older and spent three months in ghettos like the one operated in Budapest, Hungary, from November 1944 to January 1945. That provision is expected to affect about 4,500 survivors next year and 3,500 more once they turn 75.

For Budapest ghetto survivors, the payments will amount to 240 euros (about $275) and 200 euros for those in Eastern Europe -- to compensate for experiences that included sights like looted corpses of Jews strewn in an area that contained nearly 70,000 men, women and children.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/12/05/germany-agrees-to-pay-pensions -to-16000-holocaust-victims/
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PennBoy:
Germany has agreed to pay pensions to about 16,000 additional Holocaust victims worldwide


i can't tell people how to spend their money, but i think it's about time germany stopped making up for things long in the past.
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Joined: Dec 7, 08  Pictures: 2 ♂ 		 Dec 6, 11, 19:12    #3
What I don't like is what's up with the ethnic Poles slave laborers of the Reich? The Soviets and Germany cheated them out of their compensations during communist times. 2.8 million Polish forced laborers.
A prominent example of a group which received almost no compensation for their time as forced labourer in Nazi Germany are the Polish forced labourers. According to the Potsdam Agreements of 1945, the Poles were to receive reparations not from Germany itself, but from the Soviet Union share of those repatriations; due to the Soviet pressure on the Polish communist government, the Poles agreed to a system of repayment that de facto meant that few Polish victims received any sort of adequate compensation (comparable to the victims in Western Europe or Soviet Union itself). Most of the Polish share of repatriations was "given" to Poland by Soviet Union under the Comecon framework, which was not only highly inefficient, but benefited Soviet Union much more than Poland. Under further Soviet pressure (related to the London Agreement on German External Debts), in 1953 the People's Republic of Poland renounced its right to further claims of reparations from the successor states of the Third Reich. Only after the fall of communism in Poland in 1989/1990 did the Polish government try to renegotiate the issue of repatriations, but found little support in this from the German side and none from the Soviet (later, Russian) side.
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Joined: Jan 4, 11 ♂ 		 Dec 6, 11, 19:37    #4
I wouldn't be surprised if 50 years from now the children of these jewish holocaust survivors will want to continue receiving this money.
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PennBoy:
What I don't like is what's up with the ethnic Poles slave laborers of the Reich?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundation_%22Remembrance,_Responsibility _and_Future%22
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BBman:
I wouldn't be surprised if 50 years from now the children of these jewish holocaust survivors will want to continue receiving this money.


It wouldn't surprise me, Poles are well known for extracting every last single cent in money from governments - what would make these guys any different?
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Wroc³aw said it the best! Screw the reparations! This is a can of worms that didn't need to be opened.
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Germany has been paying 'holocaust pensions' for many years, and I in fact have notarized Federal Republic of Germany documents for individual Jews living in the US getting this money.

But there can never be enough money paid to the Jews, for their suffering.

But, at least, these 'survivors' (probably aged 80+) will get a legitimate check...Money supposed to be going to survivors' routed through Jewish organizations have a way of 'getting lost in the mail'.
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Palivec:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundation_%22Remembrance,_Responsi bility _and_Future%22

So out of 2.8 million Polish forced laborers 484,000 received a grand total of 979 million Euros. WOW, What about the rest of the people? A one time payout of to up to EUR 7,670. What is that for someone who was working like a slave, almost starving and mistreated.
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Ah PFs racist hate filled troll is back from banned camp!


delphiandomine:
It wouldn't surprise me, Poles are well known for extracting every last single cent in money from governments - what would make these guys any different?


These reparations are about jews not Poles.

Btw, Britain is well known for extracting every last single cent from people/countries it has overrun throughout its history. Let's not forget about the millions of innocent people which were terrorized by the british.
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See, this is the problem of not encouraging race and ethnic mixing. We have all these tensions between Germans, Poles, Russians, Ukrainians, Jews, etc. If they all just mixed it up, there wouldn't be all this hate.
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BBman:
Ah PFs racist hate filled troll is back from banned camp!


Do put down the mirror.

BBman:
These reparations are about jews not Poles.


Let's see. Some of those victims were actually Polish citizens - do try and keep up.

BBman:
Btw, Britain is well known for extracting every last single cent from people/countries it has overrun throughout its history. Let's not forget about the millions of innocent people which were terrorized by the british.


Totally off topic, and racist too. Ah, Polonia, how we love thee.
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And what about Poles who were subjected to these camps, I have a family member born in a camp in poland? Do they get the same or is it who shouts "I was a Victim" the loudest?
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beliall:
And what about Poles who were subjected to these camps, I have a family member born in a camp in poland? Do they get the same or is it who shouts "I was a Victim" the loudest?

I had a great grandfather who was a forced laborer in Germany on the German/Belgian border, as far as I know he received nothing. Another one of my great grandfathers was in the Home Army he died in 1979, but his wife received money for her husbands fight for Poland in the early 90s.
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Joined: Jul 19, 10 ♂ 		 Dec 6, 11, 23:30    #15
i can't tell people how to spend their money, but i think it's about time germany stopped making up for things long in the past.

I'll have to disagree, it is only fair to pay such sums ( paltry in my opinion ) to people who made it alive out of the Ghettos.

Many did not.

But, at least, these 'survivors' (probably aged 80+) will get a legitimate check...Money supposed to be going to survivors' routed through Jewish organizations have a way of 'getting lost in the mail'.

You'll find scammers in every nation sir.

forced laborer

reparations

Seriously guys, if you had half the talent for haggling as us Jews do you'd have gotten something out of Germany.
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delphiandomine:
Let's see. Some of those victims were actually Polish citizens - do try and keep up.


Citizens is the keyword. Jews identify as being jewish first, then citizens of whatever country the live in. Why are only jews asking for money? The article isn't talking about Slavs, gays, mentallly/physically disabled etc... who were also persecuted by the germans asking for $.

delphiandomine:
Totally off topic, and racist too. Ah, Polonia, how we love thee.


Then i guess 99.9% of history books out there are racist. I understand it may be tough for you to accept the brutal history of your people.
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Joined: Apr 23, 11 ♂ 		Edited by: legend  Dec 7, 11, 02:27    #17
This is a joke.

Slavic people (especially Poles, Ukrainians and Russians) suffered more than Joos.
Poland could get tens of billions in reparations. But we dont shove our noses down peoples throat.
Jews are money hungry people. And they will be demanding money for Holocaust in 2112.

Either make it fair and give money to all who suffered or dont do it at all.

If I was a German I would be even more pissed at this.
Many German nationalists will tell you that Germans are not in control of Germany.

We all know that Palestinians will not get money down after Jews bomb them to hell and back.
So why should we gentiles give it to Jews.
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legend:
Many German nationalists will tell you that Germans are not in control of Germany.


You're damn right about that. That's because their women prefer West Asian men.
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Kommen sie jetzt...: Jews run Germany, UK, France...What the Jew says, goes...See what would happen if Polish government decided to shut down Auschwitz as a sign of 'looking toward a bright future, instead of living in the past'.
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joepilsudski:
Jews run Germany, UK, France.

Nonsense.
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JonnyM:
Nonsense.


But if they did I imagine the rest of Europe would want Jews running their countries.
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EM_Wave:
You're damn right about that. That's because their women prefer West Asian men.

My Polish friends who lived in Germany tell me German women are known for being good in bed.
joepilsudski:
Kommen sie jetzt...: Jews run Germany, UK, France.

And who runs Poland? who are these people..http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Cabinet_of_Donald_Tusk
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JonnyM:
Nonsense.


Well, Frau Merkel supposed to be 'goyim', yet she has joint cabinet meetings in JERUSALEM...Germany still dominated by Jewish operated banks, Jews have veto over free speech via 'holocaust/hate' laws, plus Deutschland supply Israel with nuclear capable subs which can hit Europe, Russia or even US.

UK, Cameron, and who's the Labor guy?...Both Jewish...Country run by the Rothschilds...Sure, you got Barclay brothers, other goy (House of Windsor), but does the dog wag it's tail, or tail wag the dog?

France run by Sarkozy, Donmeh Jew, and who's the woman who run in last election against him?...Royal?...Jewish husband...French Rothschilds, led by David de Rene Rothschild, have a bit of influence, no?

This would be enough to take to grand jury and get a 'true bill'.

I rest my case.
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joepilsudski:
Well, Frau Merkel supposed to be 'goyim', yet she has joint cabinet meetings in JERUSALEM...Germany still dominated by Jewish operated banks, Jews have veto over free speech via 'holocaust/hate' laws, plus Deutschland supply Israel with nuclear capable subs.

So?
joepilsudski:
UK, Cameron, and who's the Labor guy?...Both Jewish.

Cameron? No. And 'the Labour guy' doesn't run the UK.
joepilsudski:
.Country run by the Rothschilds.

No.
joepilsudski:
Sure, you got Barclay brothers, other goy (House of Windsor

The Barcley Brothers own one newspaper with a moderate circulation, and the Royal Family run nothing.
joepilsudski:
France run by Sarkozy, Donmeh Jew,

Run by the parliament.
joepilsudski:
and who's the woman who run in last election against him?...Royal?...Jewish husband

The one who lost? Your point is?
joepilsudski:
French Rothschilds, led by David de Rene Rothschild, have a bit of influence, no?

No, no undue influence.
joepilsudski:
This would be enough to take to grand jury and get a 'true bill'.

I rest my case.

Except you don't have any case. 'The Jews' do not run Europe. No conspiracies at all.
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JonnyM:
Except you don't have any case. 'The Jews' do not run Europe. No conspiracies at all.


You right about one thing, Jonny: No conspiracies at all; it's now out in the open...Same in USA...'Pax Judaica' except no real peace can come from the Jews, as their god is not the 'Prince of Peace'.
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'Pax Judaica' except no real peace can come from the Jews, as their god is not the 'Prince of Peace'.

Duly noted.

I mean, come to think of it, Einstein was Jewish... and he invented the atomic bomb... omg... YOU ARE RIGHT!!!!!
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Midas:
I mean, come to think of it, Einstein was Jewish... and he invented the atomic bomb... omg... YOU ARE RIGHT!!!!!


]--)

Einstein didn't invent bomb, but there were many Jews involved with the Manhattan Project, including Robert Oppenheimer, who along with his friends the Rosenbergs try to give bomb secrets to their compatriots in Soviet Union, hoping info would go from there to Israel....Some of it did.

Rosenbergs get electric chair, Oppenheimer get a pass.


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