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 Jun 24, 11, 17:15    #91
Torq:
I am probably the most pro-German Polish poster


Crow:
no, i am.


Since when you are Polish, Crow? ;)

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Edited by: Antek_Stalich  Jun 24, 11, 17:25    #92
Daisy:
I was pointing out your mistake in using a statement like the Scots being of Irish decent as an analogy to point out Silesians aren't German.

Because the Silesian are as much German as Polish or Czech... Will you get it into your brain finally?
Daisy:
No I didn't, unlike you, I wouldn't try to comment on something I know little about.

Unluckily, you comment on something you do not know anything about.
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Edited by: Seanus  Jun 24, 11, 17:26    #93
Poles are Serbs ;) ;)

Any numbers to back that up, AS?
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 Jun 24, 11, 17:28    #94
Torq:
Since when you are Polish, Crow? ;)

Serbians are Polish elite since the middle age. Before that, Poles were Serbian elite
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Edited by: Antek_Stalich  Jun 24, 11, 17:30    #95
Seanus:
Any numbers to back that up, AS?

What numbers? Numbers "prove" that Polish Silesians are Poles and the Czech Silesian are Czech. Of course, German Oberschlesier are all German. What makes me rather surprised Seanus is you were at a Silesian wedding (hopefully it was in some s±siedztwo = neighbourhood), you eat Silesian meal every day and you still cannot see the reality.

Just cross the Brynica river, say something in Silesian aloud and you'll have your numbers printed on your face ;-)
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 Jun 24, 11, 17:37    #96
Crow:
Serbians are Polish elite since the middle age. Before that, Poles were Serbian elite


Of course. Silly me.
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 Jun 24, 11, 17:38    #97
AS, your English suggested that Silesia is 1/3, 1/3, 1/3 in terms of numbers between German, Polish and Czech. You are painting it far too black+white, AS. They are often hybrids like my parents in law. They are mixed. Both of their mothers were pure German. However, they spoke Polish to them. My mother in law speaks more Silesian than my father in law but they both see themselves as Silesian.
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 Jun 24, 11, 17:38    #98
Torq:
Of course. Silly me.

I am surprised, Torq, that you didn't figure it out earlier ;)
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Edited by: Crow  Jun 24, 11, 17:43    #99
Nathan:
I am surprised, Torq, that you didn't figure it out earlier ;)

you know Nathane, in one moment of history, Ukrainians were Serbian elite, too
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 Jun 24, 11, 17:47    #100
Crow, are you aware of any forceful demands from the German side as it is a mute point here? The various separatist movement marches here don't garner too much support. Much ado about nothing!
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 Jun 24, 11, 17:51    #101
Crow:
you know Nathane, in one moment of history, Ukrainians were Serbian elite, too

I know, Crow. But why only a moment? :)
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 Jun 24, 11, 17:57    #102
Tusk has neatly sidestepped the issue as it is a future hot potato. The Kashub should know a thing or two about not being really Polish :)
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Edited by: Antek_Stalich  Jun 24, 11, 18:46    #103
Seanus:
AS, your English suggested that Silesia is 1/3, 1/3, 1/3 in terms of numbers between German, Polish and Czech. You are painting it far too black+white, AS. They are often hybrids like my parents in law. They are mixed. Both of their mothers were pure German. However, they spoke Polish to them. My mother in law speaks more Silesian than my father in law but they both see themselves as Silesian.

I must then say sorry for my poor English, Sean. If you read some post of mine I wrote before, you could read different ethnic groups melted into Silesians long time ago. From the moment the concept of nationalism started ruling fates of nations, Silesians were forced to assume the nationality of the State currently at the power. This does not change the fact the Silesians remain the Silesians.
Your example, Sean, is very good. One of my friends living in lower Silesia is born of both German parents, still she cannot speak German at all and she identifies herself as a Pole. I know many people in Silesia with both grandparents being German; and such people cannot speak German, yet they visit their grandparents in the Heimat ;-)

Having partly Silesian family, you should be aware who's hanys and who's gorol the best, shouldn't you?
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Edited by: Seanus  Jun 24, 11, 18:56    #104
Well, it is easier having a Silesian family in law, yes :) However, it is not full-on by any extent. As I said before, it is stronger the closer to Katowice you go. I couldn't understand some things those 'Chorzowians' said ;) However, my wife also didn't understand the word 'dołza' when I wrote it to her the other day and she is much more Silesian than I will ever be, more by default than by language.

Your English is far from poor. Like native speakers, myself very much included, it can be loose but that's no shame.

They melted together to try and form one fabric, yes. I know a guy from Cieszyn and he acknowledges the Czech movements from there and around Silesia.
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 Jun 24, 11, 19:06    #105
The problem the Silesians are facing, Sean, is they don't know which way to go themselves. You mentioned Marek Szołtysek once. The guy is respected as a Silesian Moses ;-) yet he believes the Silesian is a dialect, and this is not a popular view in Ruda ¦l±ska, for instance. Based on my understanding of the Silesian mentality, they will just let the things happen.
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 Jun 24, 11, 19:10    #106
Which way to go? You mean to separate or not? There is a certain laissez-faire mentality here, you are right. My answer has already been stated above in that they will only start speaking out if their identity is threatened. Again, just a standard human response. I often maintain also that such movements come from bored minds. I mean, what is stopping people from being Silesian here in Silesia? It can freely embrace its diversity.
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 Jun 24, 11, 19:13    #107
Seanus:
My answer has already been stated above in that they will only start speaking out if their identity is threatened. Again, just a standard human response. I often maintain also that such movements come from bored minds. I mean, what is stopping people from being Silesian here in Silesia? It can freely embrace its diversity

Amen.
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 Jun 24, 11, 19:22    #108
Crow, ever been to Silesia? You can learn much from people here and also highlanders :) Just to get you back on topic, you understand? ;)
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Edited by: Crow  Jun 24, 11, 19:26    #109
Seanus:
Crow, ever been to Silesia?

only when i traveled to Kwidzyn because of business :)
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Edited by: Crow  Jun 25, 11, 13:30    #110
people

people, did you notice how is Germany opened for talks about eventual new split of Poland`s territories? Did you notice that attitude? Such an attitude of German state is clear, more and more open.

but, with whom Germany wants to talk? Well, who offers more

i am more and more sure that only closer Polish-Serbian ties guaranties future of both- Poles and Serbs.
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 Jun 25, 11, 13:34    #111
Crow:
people, did you notice how is Germany opened for talks about eventual new split of Poland`s territories? Did you notice that attitude? Such an attitude of German state is clear, more and more open.


Torq:
Not only chums but also allies - and there's no amount of Crow's sh*t stirring able to change that :-)


now back to your donkey, crow
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 Jun 25, 11, 13:41    #112
FlaglessPole:
now back to your donkey, crow

i go, i go
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 Jun 25, 11, 13:50    #113
Crow, I'm still waiting for proof of that provocation ;) ;)
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Edited by: Crow  Jul 29, 11, 19:40    #114
Poland and Serbia are in deep sh** again. We are on the way to the new wave of `drang nach osten`

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 Aug 6, 11, 05:16    #115
The Krauts are sinister. We can never trust them.
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 Aug 6, 11, 13:15    #116
I know/read Lech Kacyznski was born in Warsaw. But, his root is Silesian?
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 Aug 6, 11, 19:21    #117
I don't think anything will change in the near future. Silesians can practise their various traditions and there is no need to make any changes.
Pole  Aug 6, 11, 19:57    #118
shut up!
shut up, Crow with such zoological points of view about all-Slavic fraternity!! Poles, Silasians that prefer to be Silesians then Silesian-Poles and Serbs all are Slavic brothers. And Russians too!


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