Grateful ally of Poland…

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Feb 18, 10, 15:57 #1

Grateful ally of Poland…
Only yesterday I returned from vacation (I was in Turkey) to learn that Poles should avoid visiting Belarus because Belarusian police have already arrested many decent Poles there www . rferl . org / content / EUs_Ashton_Condemns_Crackdown_On_Polish_Activists_In_Belarus/1960173 . html. ****! My younger brother lives there!!
You know, it all looks quite peculiar! Yet as far back as a week ago nothing of the king was going to happen: My native country Poland became a strong advocate of Belarus in relations with the EU after we had invited Alexander Lukashenko in the Eastern Partnership a year ago. But what do we have now? hm…
Well, well, well…I think Mr. Lukashenko (president of Belarus) has a correct nickname – the last dictator of Europe. Only a dictator could THIS WAY thank his allies, when he thought he didn’t need us any more!
So I think our government is rightly threatening to isolate Belarus so that to teach Lukashenko a lesson www . ft . com / cms / s/0/1449d860-1a55-11df-a2e3-00144feab49a . html. Or you can see any other options?

vetalaThreads: - Posts: 512 Joined: Jul 10, 09 ♀	Feb 18, 10, 17:11 #2
There are two organizations of Polish activists in Belarus. One is legal and the other is not yet it was openly working for years and was openly supported by the Polish government all this time. It's not surprising that its memebrs were arrested. The only thing that surprises me is that Belarussians let us spit in their faces for such a long time before finally reacting.

jwojcieThreads: 3 Posts: 816 Joined: Jan 3, 09 ♂	Feb 18, 10, 19:16 #3
Vetala, the problem is, that Belarus gov. didn't recognized legally elected leader of Polish organization in 2005, and after that Belarus gov. helped in dividing this organization.

jedenThreads: - Posts: 297 Joined: Nov 30, 09 ♂	Feb 18, 10, 19:42 #4
i think that EU should ban entry for Belarus political worthies. This kind of sanction doesnt`t strike on society

vetalaThreads: - Posts: 512 Joined: Jul 10, 09 ♀	Edited by: vetala Feb 18, 10, 19:46 #5
jwojcie Yes, that it certainly a problem. However, it could be resolved in a better, more diplomatic way of dealing than by openly ignoring and disobeying the authorities and getting Poland involved. The Belarussian government is simply trying to keep face, to show that they are the ones who have the last word in their own country, not Poland.

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Edited by: jwojcie Feb 18, 10, 21:34 #6

No, they not only trying to keep face. From the begining main goal of Belarusan gov. is to seize independent organization by force. Ok, let say that we don't care about values, what Poland would gain if we keep a blind eye on this and support dictatorship? Almost nothing, Belarus has no meaningful resources and is not important trade partner either. Beside we would lose face in democratic countries club. So, from pragmatic point of view Poland has two choices:
1. lose face and gain almost nothing
2. or support illegaly overthrown leadership of friendly polonia organization and safe face internally and externally

I think point 2 is obvious. Belarus is not China, there is no need to have second thoughts about what Lukaszenka can or can't. He is just to small player.

joepilsudskiThreads: 44 Posts: 2,529 Joined: Apr 27, 07 ♂	Edited by: joepilsudski Feb 19, 10, 21:26 #7
Poland should have good relations with Belarus because they are Slavic cousins. Polish activists arrested?...Maybe 'Polish agitators' or 'Polish activists paid by Khazar agitators'. No interference in internal affairs of another country. See, same problem in Ukraine, Khazar agitation, 'coloured revolutions'.

bullfrogThreads: 4 Posts: 390 Joined: Apr 23, 09 ♂	Feb 19, 10, 21:45 #8
joepilsudski: Poland should have good relations with Belarus because they are Slavic cousins. That's ridiculous. You don't have good relations with someone just because they happen to be your cousins.. As the saying goes, you chose your friends not your family..

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Feb 19, 10, 21:49 #9
Especially when you have misgivings about them and feel superior to them. Besides, Russia has robbed Belarus of much of its identity. I had a second Belarussian student recently and he confirmed what the first told me early last year. He couldn't even give me some lines from his own language as he was forced to learn Russian.

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Feb 20, 10, 00:15 #10

joepilsudski:

Polish activists arrested?...Maybe 'Polish agitators' or 'Polish activists paid by Khazar agitators'.

No, not polish agitators. Polish minority living there for hundreds of years. They had a dozen or so "Polish houses" partially financed by Poland few years ago. Nothing fancy, that much we owe them. Anyway it was seized by Belarusian authorities by seizing Polish organization first. It has nothing to do with words like imperialism, revisionism, etc. It is simple issue of minority rights which are abused by dictatorship authorities. Belarusan opposition as far as I know defends Polish minority.

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