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jonniThreads: 26
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Joined: Nov 27, 07 ♂ 		 Jan 20, 10, 09:36    #1
This can only be good news:

Poland is expected to increase its total wind power capacity 26-fold by 2020, according to the European Wind Energy Association’s (EWEA) latest figures.This jump will catapult Poland into the category of the foremost wind energy producers in the EU by 2020, after Germany, Spain, the UK, France and Italy.

Although Poland’s current total installed capacity of 472 MW is significantly smaller than many other European countries, Poland is already leading the EU’s newer member states in the production of wind power electricity.

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1jolaThreads: 33
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Joined: Sep 23, 08 ♂ 		 Jan 20, 10, 12:16    #2
We want a nuclear reactor built to at least the high standard of our roads. We like thrills, not faggy wind power and rainbow energy. Give us radiation, like after Chernobyl. Oh, wait, that's coming too.
wildroverThreads: 180
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Joined: Jun 7, 07 ♂ 		 Jan 20, 10, 13:36    #3
1jola:
We want a nuclear reactor built to at least the high standard of our roads.

Poland built a nuclear reactor....but major demos , and the Cherbobyl accident caused a rethink.....its currently deserted in a half built state....
jonniThreads: 26
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Joined: Nov 27, 07 ♂ 		 Jan 20, 10, 13:40    #4
Watch this space. I don't want to repeat gossip, but apparently there are some interesting ideas being tossed around by the governent.

More wind/geothermal power would be good though.
bravoThreads: 4
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Joined: Dec 9, 09 ♂ 		 Jan 20, 10, 13:45    #5
Bad time to be talking about the environment. The environmentalists got busted crying wolf.
szkotja2007Threads: 38
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Joined: Dec 29, 06 ♂ 		 Jan 20, 10, 13:55    #6
jonni:
This can only be good news:

Its a bit lacking in ambition - By 2020, Poland is expected to have a total installed capacity of up to 12,500 MW,

In ten years Poland hopes to get up to 12,500 M(Million)Watts.
Today Scotland produces 1.5 G(BILLION)W of wind power.

Germany produces 25 GW of wind power.

I am not a big fan of wind power onshore, it completely spoils the countryside and is hazardous to wildlife. Not to mention the powerlines needed to transport the electric generated. Much better to have tidal power where possible.
jonniThreads: 26
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Joined: Nov 27, 07 ♂ 		 Jan 20, 10, 14:00    #7
szkotja2007:
tidal power where possible.

Poland has much less of a chance of tidal power than the UK, also the UK's geography is better suited to wind power.
SeanBMThreads: 41
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Joined: Mar 10, 08 ♂ 		Edited by: SeanBM  Jan 20, 10, 14:01    #8
jonni:
Poland is expected to increase its total wind power capacity 26-fold by 2020,

Is this not so Poland won't be so dependant on Russia's supply?

Or is it because so many people now do not have electricity because it has been cut off?

They are meant to build a nuclear power plant in Lithuania, good luck with that, it'll happen but I won't be around to see it and it'll be a disaster.
They have already closed the current one in Lithuania in preparation.
jonniThreads: 26
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Joined: Nov 27, 07 ♂ 		 Jan 20, 10, 14:03    #9
SeanBM:
because it has been cut off?

By whom?

I think the various issues about fossil fuels have a lot to do with it.
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Joined: Mar 10, 08 ♂ 		Edited by: SeanBM  Jan 20, 10, 14:06    #10
jonni:
By whom?

Natural disaster.
Over 27,500 people in the southern regions of Silesia, Malapolska and Lubelszczyzna are deprived of electricity as a result of extreme winter conditions.

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People going without electricity, it has been going on for a while.
They sent in the army but snow and rain, freezing etc... there is not much they can do.

And remember electricity means heating, so people have been in, what is it now? minus 11 with out central heating for about a week!!!
jonniThreads: 26
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Joined: Nov 27, 07 ♂ 		Edited by: jonni  Jan 20, 10, 14:10    #11
I don't think the source of power could stop that (unless people had turbines on their land, which only hillfarmers can do on any scale).

It's more to do with reducing dependence on fossil fuels. This explains both the initiative (Poland has signed up to international targets) and the sluggishness so far (the importance of the coal industry).
SeanBMThreads: 41
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Joined: Mar 10, 08 ♂ 		 Jan 20, 10, 14:13    #12
jonni:
I don't think the source of power could stop that

I thought it might have highlighted the issue.

Like Russia's power supply, these threats put it in the public's eye.
jonniThreads: 26
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Joined: Nov 27, 07 ♂ 		 Jan 20, 10, 14:21    #13
People are certainly worried when they hear about large-scale white-outs in the future.
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Joined: Mar 10, 08 ♂ 		 Jan 20, 10, 14:23    #14
jonni:
People are certainly worried when they hear about large-scale white-outs in the future.

Or the Russian's pushing up prices or circumventing Poland with its pipeline, showing the lack of solidarity in the E.U.
jonniThreads: 26
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Joined: Nov 27, 07 ♂ 		 Jan 20, 10, 14:24    #15
The pipeline is a side issue, even though it creates paranoia. A lot of this is to do with the coal industry.
Peter Weg  Jan 28, 10, 22:39    #16
szkotja2007
szkotja2007:
Its a bit lacking in ambition - By 2020, Poland is expected to have a total installed capacity of up to 12,500 MW,

In ten years Poland hopes to get up to 12,500 M(Million)Watts.
Today Scotland produces 1.5 G(BILLION)W of wind power.

Germany produces 25 GW of wind power.

12,500MWatts= 12.5GWatts.

So it is a pretty ambitious target.

Having a target and achieving it is something else, UK is failing to hit its targets due to complaints which stop the planning process. Its also requires a massive financial investment which can be difficult to obtain.
In the oil spike the price of steel was an issue ans still and production capacity for wind turbines is inadequate.

Poland has big potential for geothermal power, there are several site in operation and I'm considering it myself.

Peter Weg
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Joined: Nov 25, 08 ♂ [Suspended] 		 Jan 29, 10, 00:37    #17
SeanBM:
Or the Russian's pushing up prices or circumventing Poland with its pipeline, showing the lack of solidarity in the E.U.

Or simply, they don't trust the Polish. I wouldn't put it past the Polish to start acting like the Ukranians - would anyone really trust an important pipeline in the hands of PiS for instance?

jonni:
A lot of this is to do with the coal industry.

Don't get me started on the mining industry in Poland.
wildroverThreads: 180
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Joined: Jun 7, 07 ♂ 		 Jan 29, 10, 00:41    #18
jonni:
Green electricity in Poland

So..what colour was it before....?
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Joined: Nov 25, 09  Pictures: 2 ♂ 		 Jan 29, 10, 00:43    #19
wildrover:
So..what colour was it before....?

looking outside, it's kind of a brownish gray.
wildroverThreads: 180
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Joined: Jun 7, 07 ♂ 		 Jan 29, 10, 01:17    #20
Well , i definatly think green will be an improvement then.....


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