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 Jul 5, 11, 04:53    #1
Look what I found:

Plans by the Netherlands to deport jobless Poles and other Eastern Europeans are dangerous and worrying, Poland’s economic affairs minister Waldemar Pawlak is quoted as saying in Monday’s Trouw.

The paper says Pawlak made the comments during a meeting in Warsaw on Saturday. ‘We are concerned about the Dutch plans,’ Pawlak said. ‘This development is dangerous and could lead to the collapse of the European system of freedom of movement.’

Earlier this year, social affairs minister Henk Kamp presented proposals to expel Polish and other eastern European nationals who are without work and have little prospect of finding any. He also plans to withhold welfare benefits (bijstand) from people who do not speak Dutch.

Robust talks

Poland’s European affairs minister Mikolaj Dowgielewicz is quoted as saying there have been ‘robust talks’ with the Netherlands on the plan. He is quoted as saying that he is surprised a maximum of 200 people could lead to such heated political debate.

Such problems could be better solved at a European level, through community-wide agreements on social security and working conditions, he said.

Poland took over the presidency of the EU on Friday for the next six months.

In February, Poland’s ambassador to the Netherlands said Dutch attitudes to Poles bordered on discrimination.

http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2011/07/plan_to_deport_jobless_p oles_i.php

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 Jul 5, 11, 05:08    #2
OK makes sense they're racist against fellow Europeans what about the Asians and Africans in their country who are much more numerous??
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 Jul 5, 11, 05:37    #3
PennBoy:
OK makes sense they're racist against fellow Europeans what about the Asians and Africans in their country who are much more numerous??

It is only PC to discriminate against whites.
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Edited by: Llamatic  Jul 5, 11, 06:03    #4
Teightening border rules between EU countries is looking like a trend. Kind of related, I saw this the other day...


Danish committee approves government’s controversial border control plans

Denmark on Friday approved a decision to re-establish permanent customs checkpoints at its borders, removing the last hurdle to a plan aimed at stopping crime and illegal immigration but which has been strongly criticized in Europe as violating visa-free travel rules.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/danish-committee-approves-g overnments-controversial-border-control-plans/2011/07/01/AG5eEKtH_stor y.html
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 Jul 5, 11, 07:48    #5
You are only allowed to be in another EU-country for 3 months. After that the rules says you must register yourself. And to be able to register yourself you must have a job, studying or proof that you have enough money in your bank account to support yourself. EU-citizens does not have the right for any social welfare from another EU-country.

So I have a hard time seeing what the dutch mean by this, and what people are complaining about if the Eu-citizens (in this case poles) do not have a job. If they have been given permission to register then that's another thing.
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Edited by: MediaWatch  Jul 5, 11, 09:09    #6
The above messages are interesting.

But frankly I think Holland has the right to do whatever it wants as far as allowing or not allowing certain people into the country. Its their country.

However, hopefully they don't have a double standard. If they want to restrict the Poles in Holland, fine. But they should also restrict people coming in from everywhere else.

I would think a European country would prefer to have other Europeans come into their country then non-Europeans (especially anti-West anti-Judeao-Christian Mid East people).

But maybe people coming in from anywhere is becoming too much for Holland. As some Dutch people said, the streets are getting jammed up with too many migrants coming in.

The same is actually happening here in the US. In and near big cities, the highways are getting jammed up. In my opinion we have too many people in this country and we have a big country. I can only imagine how claustrophobic the Dutch are feeling since they have very limited territory and mobs of migrants moving in.
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 Jul 5, 11, 09:31    #7
MediaWatch:

But frankly I think Holland has the right to do whatever it wants as far as allowing or not allowing certain people into the country. Its their country.

However, hopefully they don't have a double standard. If they want to restrict the Poles in Holland, fine. But they should also restrict people coming in from everywhere else.


Agreed, but as far as I know that is exactly what Holland has done in the last few weeks. Creating new laws in order to make it harder for specially non-europeans to aquire the rights to stay and the rights to the social-benefit systems. Denmark are going down the same road.
The UK is obviously having the same thoughts, but as of now when you read some posts/threads in the forum and outside it looks like the brits don't see the big elephant in the room. Or they are simply scared shitless because the elephant is humongous and very very aggressive. Easier to just attack the mosquitos I guess. For now.

And yes, you can see this pattern going on in most countries in Europe. Basicly there are two countries and one institution which are not.
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Edited by: peterweg  Jul 5, 11, 10:16    #8
Nojas:
You are only allowed to be in another EU-country for 3 months. After that the rules says you must register yourself. And to be able to register yourself you must have a job, studying or proof that you have enough money in your bank account to support yourself. EU-citizens does not have the right for any social welfare from another EU-country.


This is correct.The UK seems to be the exception in not requiring EU citizens to register. British Citizens have to register in Poland, for instance.

Holland is only applying the same law that is present in most other EU nations.
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 Jul 5, 11, 10:18    #9
Nojas:
You are only allowed to be in another EU-country for 3 months. After that the rules says you must register yourself. And to be able to register yourself you must have a job, studying or proof that you have enough money in your bank account to support yourself. EU-citizens does not have the right for any social welfare from another EU-country.


Same law in almost every single EU country.

By rights, any EU citizen in Poland longer than 3 months must have a valid reason to remain - though it's not enforced, the law is still there and able to be used at any time.
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 Jul 5, 11, 11:53    #10
"HOLLAND RACIST TOWARDS POLAND"
Racist?! This is the same race as far as I know! Original inhabitants of Poland and the Netherlands are the same race. Call it a discrimination based on country of origin or citizenship, not racism.
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 Jul 5, 11, 12:21    #11
Yes, It is ironic that the Netherlands claims to be so liberal & tolerent & then sees nothing wrong with scapegoating Poles
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Funny since Poles helped the Netherlands create their first colonies in the New World.
Poles came to New Amsterdam to help them create their Colony in New York.

One of the Polesi n the New Amsterdam colony created the first College in New York which was the first Latin School in America & the 2nd college in America just a few years away from Harvard.
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 Jul 5, 11, 12:52    #12
PolskiMoc:
Funny since Poles helped the Netherlands create their first colonies in the New World.
Poles came to New Amsterdam to help them create their Colony in New York.

Yes the Dutch at the height of their power, widely considered the most economically wealthy and scientifically advanced of all European nations in the 17th and 18th century (something that has largely contributed to their current status as one of the most evolved societies in the world) they would have been totally lost without all those poles on the island of Manhattan… I mean the sheer number of tents in need of setting up…
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 Jul 5, 11, 13:14    #13
i can understand a feeling of discrimination if they're only doing it to poles and other eastern europeans but as far as i can see, there's no real evidence of that, just a lot of assuming and fingerpointing.

it's their country. their money. the taxpayers don't want to support jobless people leeching off the system......can't blame them.
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Edited by: Moderator  Jul 5, 11, 18:25    #14
MediaWatch:
hopefully they don't have a double standard. If they want to restrict the Poles in Holland, fine. But they should also restrict people coming in from everywhere else.

I would think a European country would prefer to have other Europeans come into their country then non-Europeans (especially anti-West anti-Judeao-Christian Mid East people).

But maybe people coming in from anywhere is becoming too much for Holland. As some Dutch people said, the streets are getting jammed up with too many migrants coming in.

The same is actually happening here in the US. In and near big cities, the highways are getting jammed up. In my opinion we have too many people in this country and we have a big country. I can only imagine how claustrophobic the Dutch are feeling since they have very limited territory and mobs of migrants moving in.


Great post and quite true. Why would anyone get upset about fellow Euros coming to their country when obviously the problem is the great numbers of scummy Muslims and third worlders coming to undermine their culture and society while overwhelming their social welfare system? Personally, I'd much rather see the US overrun with Poles than all the dirty, lazy criminal Mexicans coming here for the freebies we're suffering with now.

( Cue the Pole-haters and PCers calling me a 'racist'... :s )

They won't call you racist next time because your post will be edited or in the bin
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 Jul 5, 11, 18:35    #15
Llamatic:
Great post and quite true. Why would anyone get upset about fellow Euros coming to their country when obviously the problem is the great numbers of scummy Muslims and third worlders coming to undermine their culture and society while overwhelming their social welfare system? Personally, I'd much rather see the US overrun with Poles than all the dirty, lazy criminal Mexicans coming here for the freebies we're suffering with now.


If you were a somebody, I might care.
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 Jul 5, 11, 18:54    #16
FlaglessPole:
Is that your way of saying he, who doesn’t agree with me, is a Pole-hater? Man, you do like your labels, don’t you… I suppose I should congratulate you on your advancement from L to P, a big day indeed.

Dude, I'm not even Polish. But the most militant minority-apologist PCers here often also seem to be those most willing to bash and scold Poles on any racial issues. That's why I added that quip. It fit. So your little petty dig at me is a fail.
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 Jul 5, 11, 18:59    #17
Llamatic:
But the most militant minority-apologist PCers here often also seem to be those most willing to bash and scold Poles on any racial issues.

and how is this a racial issue???
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Edited by: Llamatic  Jul 5, 11, 19:02    #18
FlaglessPole:
and how is this a racial issue???

Immigration of foreigners isn't a racial issue?? This entire thread?...
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 Jul 5, 11, 19:13    #19
Llamatic:
This entire thread?...

A simple case of Holland wanting to enforce EU law which will result in a number of welfare abusers, who happen to be from Poland, being asked to go back to their own country. Again, how's that a racial issue???
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 Jul 5, 11, 19:24    #20
FlaglessPole:
Again, how's that a racial issue???

Well, someone else remarked how there may be a double standard at play between accepting Poles and accepting the other minorities I mentioned. Again, how is this not a racial issue?
Also, tell it to the PCers when they show up here...
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Edited by: FlaglessPole  Jul 5, 11, 19:53    #21
Llamatic:
Also, tell it to the PCers when they show up here...


ok, what do you want me to tell the Mac crowd?

Llamatic:
Well, someone else remarked how there may be a double standard at play between accepting Poles and accepting the other minorities I mentioned. Again, how is this not a racial issue?

So they had been accepting just about anyone so far (with mixed results in dire need of improvement) until they decided to change the approach (which is now), but damn too bad for them, they mustn’t!... The timing, ladies and gentlemen, for some individuals from Poland, who herby politely apply for a postponement, is of a certain inconvenience! We may call you racist should you choose to remain averse to our views.
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Edited by: Ironside  Jul 5, 11, 20:11    #22
rychlik:
Plans by the Netherlands to deport jobless Poles and other Eastern Europeans

are perfectly reasonable and in accord with the UE law.
However right of individual countries to conduct their own immigration policy should be reviewed as their policy of letting in people from outside the UE is putting a considerable burden on other member states.
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 Jul 5, 11, 20:38    #23
This has nothing to do with race. It has all to do with the social status, and to tell the truth, the people who have migrated to various EU countries upon Poland's accession are not necessarily the cream of the crop.
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 Jul 5, 11, 20:59    #24
rychlik:
Plans by the Netherlands to deport jobless Poles and other Eastern Europeans are dangerous and worrying,


Not for Holland its not.

Look.... it makes sense, if a "seasonal" worker goes to a country to pick fruit and veg, then why should they be allowed to stay and claim benefits for months on end when their job is done? These people earn low wages so hardly contribute to the tax coffers anyway. Sorry to sound so harsh but that's the reality of it and Id be saying the same if they were Brits.

Not for Holland.
PennBoy:
OK makes sense they're racist against fellow Europeans what about the Asians and Africans in their country who are much more numerous??


They have said they will withhold benefits from those that dont speak Dutch, they cant have one rule for one and one for another, in the UK there are lanaguage requirements for British people or those with ILR (indefinate leave to remain - which is as good as citizenship) who want to bring their spouses from a country which requires a visa, if they dont pass, they dont get their visa, there is no such requirement for those within the EU or even for a EU national who wants to bring their spouse here on a EU family permit...So tell me isnt that descrimination?

But I dont see what the fuss is about with this thread, we all know that Holland cant do a damn thing with this because of the whole free movement thing....

FlaglessPole:
A simple case of Holland wanting to enforce EU law which will result in a number of welfare abusers, who happen to be from Poland, being asked to go back to their own country. Again, how's that a racial issue???


Its not, its practical and what they should have a right to do, they did it France with the Romanians and they do it in Italy with Romanians, I wish we could do it here with Romanians, but we're not called "soft touch Britain" for nowt!

Now they've got rid of the WRS Im sure we'll have a bit of an issue in the UK.
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 Jul 5, 11, 21:05    #25
Amathyst:
the Romanians

What? Do you mean gypsies?
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Edited by: Amathyst  Jul 5, 11, 21:10    #26
Ironside:
What? Do you mean gypsies?


No, I said Romanians, they are a nation that happen to part of the EU, the fact they are "branded" gypos is another matter.

Is that all you could pick out of my post??
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Edited by: Wroclaw Boy  Jul 5, 11, 21:11    #27
Ironside:
Amathyst:
the Romanians

What? Do you mean gypsies?

neither i believe shes referring to Romani people or Roma Gypsies as they are commonly known.

Amathyst:
the fact they are "branded" gypos is another matter.

Romanians are not branded gypsies at all, they are Romanians - sweety.
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 Jul 5, 11, 21:16    #28
Amathyst:
then why should they be allowed to stay and claim benefits for months on end when their job is done?

Well for starters it is within their rights as an EU cit. Secondly they would have contributed some tax over the period, very little I know but still.
Amathyst:
These people earn low wages so hardly contribute to the tax coffers anyway.

Not quite, there is a large percentage of our country that earn min wage, the amount of tax they contribute is actually really high for the economy.
Amathyst:
in the UK there are lanaguage requirements for British people

Have you seen how difficult it is to pass that test? Anyone who can say "how do you do?" can pass it.
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Edited by: Amathyst  Jul 5, 11, 21:28    #29
dtaylor5632:
Well for starters it is within their rights as an EU cit.


Time to remove that right then.

dtaylor5632:
secondly they would have contributed some tax over the period, very little I know but still.


So they can claim it all back then via benefits?

dtaylor5632:
Not quite, there is a large percentage of our country that earn min wage, the amount of tax they contribute is actually really high for the economy.


You just contradicted yourself - but let's put it this way, extremely low earners in the UK claim tax credits (subsidised wages through taxes - same as a gaining more benefits, but still they work, but hardly contibute anything because they pay hardly any tax and get paid money from other tax payers!)

dtaylor5632:
Have you seen how difficult it is to pass that test? Anyone who can say "how do you do?" can pass it.



Not exactly, its been changed, there are speaking and written tests now...you need to get with the times hun...some illiterate pakistani village girl doesnt stand a chance where as years ago they just came over on the next boat...But we're going off topic here and you are evidently not ofay with new immigration langauge standards.
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 Jul 5, 11, 21:32    #30
Amathyst:
some illiterate pakistani village girl doesnt stand a chance where as years ago they just came over on the next boat... .... new immigration langauge standards.

Sounds like it's working just swell then!


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