HOLLAND RACIST TOWARDS POLAND

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Jul 5, 11, 21:39 #31

Amathyst:

Time to remove that right then.

Not really, the only way the world can progress is to open all its borders.

Amathyst:

So they can claim it all back then via benefits?

Do they? EVERY Romanian sets out to use the system. By the system, whose fecking system is it? The one we voted for?

Amathyst:

UK claim tax credits (subsidised wages through taxes - same as a gaining more benefits, but still they work, but hardly contibute anything because they pay hardly any tax and get paid money from other tax payers!)

And so they effin should! You think its right that jobs out there are paying absolutely nothing? Or that being on the benefit system is a much greater stress free life than actually working hard?
My carers earn £5.93 an hour. barely making £200 a week. In the local area (which people pay the highest council tax in the country) if the want to rent a 1 bedroomed flat in ****** street it will still cost them upto 3/4 of their working wage, add onto that the fact that gas, leckie and other bills are sky high at the moment, then I think they fully deserve a top up in their wages. Especially so as its the middle and higher classes that have bumped up the prices.

Amathyst:

Not exactly, its been changed, there are speaking and written tests now.

And still **** easy to pass.

Amathyst:

But we're going off topic here and you are evidently not ofay with new immigration langauge standards.

I ******* am, as im the one who hires quite a few.

Wroclaw BoyThreads: 57 Posts: 5,478 Joined: Jul 3, 09 MEMBER ♂	Edited by: Moderator Jul 5, 11, 21:53 #32
Amathyst: Ironside: What? Do you mean gypsies? No, I said Romanians, they are a nation that happen to part of the EU, the fact they are "branded" gypos is another matter. LOL, they dont even look similar. Just to ram it down your throat a little bit more.

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Edited by: Moderator Jul 5, 11, 22:09 #33

dtaylor5632:

Not really, the only way the world can progress is to open all its borders.

All?

dtaylor5632:

Do they? EVERY Romanian sets out to use the system. By the system, whose fecking system is it? The one we voted for?

I was talking in general, not about Romanians.

dtaylor5632:

And so they effin should! You think its right that jobs out there are paying absolutely nothing? Or that being on the benefit system is a much greater stress free life than actually working hard?
My carers earn £5.93 an hour. barely making £200 a week. In the local area (which people pay the highest council tax in the country) if the want to rent a 1 bedroomed flat in ****** street it will still cost them upto 3/4 of their working wage, add onto that the fact that gas, leckie and other bills are sky high at the moment, then I think they fully deserve a top up in their wages. Especially so as its the middle and higher classes that have bumped up the prices.

Wages have been driven down in the last 5 or 6 years because of cheap labour. Middle class are struggling too, people are losing their jobs and their homes, those that educated themselves in order to forge out a better life..

dtaylor5632:

I ******* am, as im the one who hires quite a few.

So tell me without looking at the net when did the new lrequirements come into practice??

Wroclaw Boy:

LOL, they dont even look similar. Just to ram it down your throat a little bit more.

Really? Can you tell the difference between them then... Oh......of course you can because your WB a bit like Batman but without the cape and underpans over your trousers!

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Jul 5, 11, 22:10 #34

Here is the thing... The far-right party aka "Party for Freedom" in Holland is led by an nationalistic man named Geert Wilders, his only aim is to make Holland clean from foreigners. It's not about "Poles", its about his view how Holland should look like. His party is the third largest party in the country and their ideology is:

National liberalism
Cultural conservatism
Euroscepticism
Anti-Islamism

Their party programme is:

Ethnic registration
Introduction of a Direct Democracy
Active repatriation of criminals of foreign citizenship and Dutch nationals originating from the Netherlands Antilles
Deportation of criminals with non-Dutch backgrounds, after a prison sentence.
Restrictions on immigrant labour from new EU member states and Islamic countries
Removal of resources from anti-climate change programmes, development aid and immigration services
Abolition of the Senate
Governmental communication to be exclusively in Dutch or Frisian
Dutch language proficiency and a 10-year Dutch residency and work experience requirement for welfare assistance
Constitutional protection of the dominance of the Judeo-Christian and humanistic culture of the Netherlands
Repeal of anti-smoking legislation in bars
Investment in more nuclear power plants and clean coal plants to reduce dependency on imported oil and because coal is cheaper

They are crazy and they are not alone with those kinda policies. Everywhere in Europe we see far right parties like this growing, even in Poland.

The reason why they propose the deportation of unemployed Poles is simply just one step to a clean Holland for them.

So no the Dutchies ain't racist, they just got a crazy party that makes them look like fools in the international stage.

LlamaticThreads: 4 Posts: 605 Joined: May 26, 11 ♂ [Suspended]	Jul 5, 11, 22:15 #35
David_18: The far-right party aka "Party for Freedom" David_18: Their party programme is: They sound cool as hell! :D David_18: Everywhere in Europe we see far right parties like this growing, even in Poland. You do realize that this means you are the one out of step...

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Jul 5, 11, 22:15 #36

Amathyst:

Wages have been driven down in the last 5 or 6 years because of cheap labour. Middle class are struggling too, people are losing their jobs and their homes, those that educated themselves in order to forge out a better life..

Min wage has gone up. Not nearly enough.

Amathyst:

So tell me without looking at the net when did the new lrequirements come into practice??

How the hell would I know? whatever HR requires. But a few poles who have work with me have left the building due to not being able to put a sentence together.

Amathyst:

I'll give you a head start, because Im well versed with UK immigration laws...You on the other hand are an obnoxious bore with the intelect and personality of a camel.

Stop judging.

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Edited by: Amathyst Jul 5, 11, 22:19 #37

dtaylor5632:

Min wage has gone up. Not nearly enough.

Why should they bother when there is an abundance of cheap labour?

dtaylor5632:

How the hell would I know? whatever HR requires. But a few poles who have work with me have left the building due to not being able to put a sentence together.

Then why say what you did, I said about langauge requirements for non EU / non visa spouses where English not the home lang.

dtaylor5632:

Stop judging.

? I thought it was a good portrait, but we're all entitled to our view :D And let's face it what he knows about UK (up to date) immigration law he could write on a postage stamp!

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Jul 5, 11, 22:31 #38

Amathyst:

Why should they bother when there is an abundance of cheap labour?

Because those who actually do the job and work hard shouldnt be punished for doing so.

Amathyst:

Then why say what you did, I said about langauge requirements for non EU / non visa spouses where English not the home lang.

Cos I was basing it on the staff we have. Oh before u get in there, without them nobody else would take the work.

Amathyst:

? I thought it was a good portrait, but we're all entitled to our view :D And let's face it what he knows about UK (up to date) immigration law he could write on a postage stamp!

To be honest, we both could.

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Jul 6, 11, 00:43 #39

dtaylor5632:

Oh before u get in there, without them nobody else would take the work.

Pay a decent living wage, drop the 12 hour shifts and get enough staff on to actually give care then..............despite all that,plenty of local born people would take the job if in so many cases there wasnt a Polish/Filipino whatever monopoly on the positions!

Amathyst:

Really? Can you tell the difference between them then

not exactly a hard task considering Roma are a different race to other romanians....about as different as Poles and ,well,Indians ironically enough

Ironside:

However right of individual countries to conduct their own immigration policy should be reviewed as their policy of letting in people from outside the UE is putting a considerable burden on other member states.

exactly! Tell me how an Afgan "refugee" who arrives in Europe via Greece can then travel all the way across europe ,passing through Germany and France can then have the "right" to claim asylumn in Britain and eventually end up with an EU passport? Refugees are suposed to remain in the first "safe" country they arrive in,they pass through turkey and on into Europe................

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Amathyst:

(subsidised wages through taxes - same as a gaining more benefits, but still they work, but hardly contibute anything because they pay hardly any tax and get paid money from other tax payers!)

Tosh, low earners are often smokers, a smoker pays in TAX the same as the income of 17 grand a year.....everyone pays taxes through the nose in this country,its about time we had our own little tea party (not the loony political whack jobs in the states...type of tea party though).

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Jul 6, 11, 18:32 #40

HOLLAND RACIST TOWARDS POLAND

When did Poles become a race?

In any case, the Dutch leadership seems to be quite confused, which is whats happens when the leftist elements rule the roost: a form of insanity and sometimes suicidal action sets in...

I can recall listening to Radio Netherlands over the past few years when the talking heads actually became frustrated with the politically correct crap they were told to spew, and they they actually poked as much fun as they could without losing their jobs...Of course, the problem there is more serious than what spews from the mouth of radio commentators...

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Jul 6, 11, 18:48 #41

Amathyst:

Not for Holland its not.

Look.... it makes sense, if a "seasonal" worker goes to a country to pick fruit and veg, then why should they be allowed to stay and claim benefits for months on end when their job is done? These people earn low wages so hardly contribute to the tax coffers anyway. Sorry to sound so harsh but that's the reality of it and Id be saying the same if they were Brits.

I'm gonna have to disagree here. These central-eastern Europeans are doing this hard back breaking work in summer heat for chump change. The locals even if offered a few euros more wouldn't want to do it no way no how (picking vegetables) They're being exploited!!! so why shouldn't they be allowed to stay and have some benefits for their hard work? there are immigrants with permanent residency or locals who don't do anything just leech from off benefits. If stores were forced to import their products from some far away land people would be complaining about the prices.

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Jul 6, 11, 20:43 #42

rychlik:

The paper says Pawlak made the comments during a meeting in Warsaw on Saturday. ‘We are concerned about the Dutch plans,’ Pawlak said. ‘This development is dangerous and could lead to the collapse of the European system of freedom of movement.’

The Danish have reintroduced some border controls and the Dutch have reserved the right to do the same. The problem is not the Danish or the Dutch, its the sub existence dwellers that don't want to play by the rules.

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Jul 6, 11, 22:47 #43

isthatu2:

Pay a decent living wage, drop the 12 hour shifts and get enough staff on to actually give care then.

Wages are decent enough, 12hr shift keep the continuity of care to a high standard and we have enough staff as we have an excellent support team! SO BLEH!!!!!! :D

isthatu2:

plenty of local born people would take the job if in so many cases there wasnt a Polish/Filipino whatever monopoly on the positions!

You know how many locals have the relevant experience to fill the positions? Most locals in this area would steal you wallet for their drug cash than take up a position caring for others.

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Edited by: isthatu2 Jul 6, 11, 22:56 #44

dtaylor5632:

You know how many locals have the relevant experience to fill the positions? Most locals in this area would steal you wallet for their drug cash than take up a position caring for others.

I dont know exactly where you are but............again,its the 12 hour shifts. Who can do those? Certainly not responsible people used to caring for others,working mums etc. So you are left with a pool of local people who "care" is not second nature to them.
Have you given any of the locals the chance to have relevant experience? If not,how do you expect them to gain it? Or, is there the usual case of a nod from one family member will get the job for some filipino straight off the plane from Manila? I can guarentee if you saw where half these carers come from they would make wherever you are look like Midsummer without the murders :) Its "funny" how people are perfectly willing to take a chance on poor people from some SE Asian slum shanty town or some unknown sh!thole east of the Oder but they blanket all the people in their own area as worthless scum simply for being poor................
dont get me wrong,as you may have guessed Im not talking out my ear about this topic, I know first hand that plenty of the locals in these places are a complete nightmare but again,pay peanuts get either local monkeys or exploited foriegners...........

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Edited by: Moderator Jul 6, 11, 23:11 #45

isthatu2:

,its the 12 hour shifts.

The 12hr shifts are the problem. My primary care is for the patients, breaking the shifts up was the way we used to do it back in the day. But for 1 24hr shift in a single unit you would need a care team of over 11 C/A's, 3 nurses and one charge nurse. That's 3 times more the staff than we currently work with. 3 times more the chance of someone phoning in sick, of errors being passed on from day shift to back shift and more importantly than all those other reasons, the continuity of the care suffers big time. 12 shifts means you have 2 shifts (im not including n/s in this btw) that have bigger budgets for training per person, therefore more specialized care to the individuals. There's many more reasons but I don't want to bore people here with them.

isthatu2:

Have you given any of the locals the chance to have relevant experience? If not,how do you expect them to gain it? Or, is there the usual case of a nod from one family member will get the job for some filipino straight off the plane from Manila?

Ok, our places have a staff make-up as follows. 85% are local people. 15% from land afar and I currently have no staff from manila or its country. All staff (generally from Poland) have to go through strict examination of their English language skills and all have glowing CV's.
To be honest this is the way I run our place, but if it were the case that 80% of my staff were foreign due to some crazy thing and the level of care was still very high, I'd be more than happy with that. It's not down to me to give jobs to local people, I run hospital, not a blooming job centre and my patients care comes first and that standard of care is all I give a damn about.

Oh by the way, the pay for an SVQ level 2 C/A is £8.30 an hour which is about £2 an hour more than any other local hopsital.

Please take notice that the title of this thread is,HOLLAND RACIST TOWARDS POLAND

dtaylor5632Threads: 49 Posts: 4,459 Joined: May 2, 09 ♂	Jul 7, 11, 00:11 #46
dtaylor5632: Please take notice that the title of this thread is,HOLLAND RACIST TOWARDS POLAND Yay ya ya we did, and have continued our convo in PM rather than bore you all with my rantings about private health care in the UK ;)

BBmanThreads: - Posts: 459 Joined: Jan 4, 11 ♂	Edited by: BBman Jul 7, 11, 00:39 #47
I'm not too familiar with laws regarding other nationalities in different EU countries but i'm sure that if they do deport these poles, they will be replaced with pakis/arabs.

modafinilThreads: - Posts: 831 Joined: Jun 28, 11 ♂	Jul 7, 11, 10:35 #48
BBman: I'm not too familiar with laws regarding other nationalities in different EU countries but i'm sure that if they do deport these poles, they will be replaced with pakis/arabs. Everyone dumps their trash into another country.

isthatu2Threads: 13 Posts: 5,225 Joined: Apr 3, 08 ♂	Jul 7, 11, 13:49 #49
Breaking news, Enschede football stadium collapse, unknown number of building site workers missing.........suppose thats one way to cut down on numbers.......hope no one is seriously hurt.

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Edited by: Stu Jul 9, 11, 10:36 #50

Okay ... so the PVV isn't my party, but let's have a look at the points David_18 mentions:

David_18:

Ethnic registration

Against it ... dangerous!! Although, when I had to register in Wroclaw, I had to fill in my nationality.

David_18:

Introduction of a Direct Democracy

What's wrong with that - a referendum isn't that bad. The problem we've had was that politicians didn't listen to the outcome, like it was the case with the Dutch referendum about the EU-Treaty.

David_18:

Active repatriation of criminals of foreign citizenship and Dutch nationals originating from the Netherlands Antilles

Can't see anything wrong with that, to be honest.

David_18:

Deportation of criminals with non-Dutch backgrounds, after a prison sentence.

Nothing wrong with that ... hell, they'll get free TV, sports facilities, medical facilities, education, it's not like they are in a cell 23 hours a day. And the tax payer has to foot the bill. Dutch prisons, compared to prisons in other countries, aren't really that bad. My plan would be to send them to prison in their own country and actively see to it that they are not released.

David_18:

Restrictions on immigrant labour from new EU member states and Islamic countries

Why not? Unless people have a skill that is in short supply. Australia and New Zealand have similar restrictions. They even have an age limit (45 if I remember correctly). I hear no-one complaining about that?

David_18:

Removal of resources from anti-climate change programmes, development aid and immigration services

I'm against.

David_18:

Abolition of the Senate

Against.

David_18:

Governmental communication to be exclusively in Dutch or Frisian

Against.

David_18:

Dutch language proficiency and a 10-year Dutch residency and work experience requirement for welfare assistance

Language proficiency, yes. 10 years is too long. 6 months would be ok.

David_18:

Constitutional protection of the dominance of the Judeo-Christian and humanistic culture of the Netherlands

All for! It can't be that a school in The Hague decided not to put up a X-mas tree to avoid alienating the Muslim students. Or that the Dutch Sinterklaas (which is different from the American Santa Claus) can't come to the class room in primary schools anymore.

David_18:

Repeal of anti-smoking legislation in bars

For small bars without personnel, all for.

David_18:

Investment in more nuclear power plants and clean coal plants to reduce dependency on imported oil and because coal is cheaper

Not sure about this. I'd like to have a look at other sustainable energy production first. We have enough wind and water.

And yes ... I am in favour of a ban on niqab's and other face-covering "rags" (as Wilders calls them), especially when one works in a public function. People wanted to live in the Netherlands, then adapt to the culture. If I decide to live in Saudi Arabia or any other of these countries, I'll have to adapt to their culture, don't I? What's the problem?!!?

Again ... I didn't vote for them and I never will. But some of the points DO make sense.

Foreigner4Threads: 22 Posts: 1,990 Joined: Nov 18, 07 ♂	Jul 11, 11, 15:17 #51
rychlik: Plans by the Netherlands to deport jobless Poles and other Eastern Europeans are dangerous and worrying, Poland’s economic affairs minister Waldemar Pawlak is quoted as saying in Monday’s Trouw. translation: We were hoping they would deal with our problem and hope other governments don't decide to do this too.

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Jul 11, 11, 16:04 #52

According to this article Some Poles in Holland are in agreement with this decision

Adam Staniak is not someone you would expect to take a tough line on Polish migrant workers. Indeed, they are the bulk of his clients – filing into the shop that he owns in the Polish district of The Hague to stock up on swoyska sausage and Tyskie beer.

But for Mr Staniak, 32, himself an immigrant from Poland, those that have been unemployed for many months should return home.

"If you work here in the Netherlands, then there is no problem. But if you have no job, then you should go back."

IronsideThreads: 59 Posts: 6,786 Joined: Feb 26, 09 ♂	Jul 11, 11, 19:12 #53
Daisy: According to this article Some Poles in Holland are in agreement with this decision Does it surprise you ?

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Jul 11, 11, 20:38 #54

Stu:

Again ... I didn't vote for them and I never will. But some of the points DO make sense.

Yes they do.

But even if some of their points are valid they still got some stupid proposals like "Abolition of the Senate"

They live on peoples fear and it is a really bad thing for the county to be run by a party like this.

You don't want to end up like Albania right?

The Dictator of Albania was so paranoid that he built thousands of bunkers all over Albania.

DaisyThreads: 16 Posts: 2,172 Joined: Apr 28, 07 ♀	Jul 11, 11, 22:14 #55
David_18: You don't want to end up like Albania right? The Dictator of Albania was so paranoid that he built thousands of bunkers all over Albania. . He'd probably been reading some of Crow's posts on here

David_18Threads: 111 Posts: 1,212 Joined: Jan 4, 07 ♂	Jul 11, 11, 22:19 #56
Daisy: He'd probably been reading some of Crow's posts on here SLAVIC POWER WOHO!!!!!

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