Holocaust was a Jewish invention, says top Polish bishop

Remind me what the Polish reaction to 12,000 Poles being expelled from Germany on 28 October 1938. Then tell me how many citizens of western nations were not allowed to live in their own nations.

Perhaps you might like to look at the Polish numerus clausus law from 1923.

Didn't you talk about this before with another username?

The Western antisemitism continued and was pretty shocking in the weeks and months leading to WW2, the blatant refusal to admit the poor Jewish should who tried to escape Nazi Germany being just one example.

The topic is Jewish relations and my approach is that Western Europe should address their own anti-semitism before criticizing Poland where most European Jews chose to seek refuge escaping the murderous persecutions in Western Europe.

I did.
Nothing happened in 1923.

I'll ask again: how did Poland react to 12,000 Poles being expelled from Germany on 28 October 1938? How many citizens of 'western' countries were refused entry to their own country?

Because the League of Nations stopped it.

What happened in 1937?

Tell us all about the ghetto benches in Polish universities.

And I'll answer again.
This has not bearing on "what if" regarding Indians in Poland.

Rest assured that the grateful Jewish students took a handsome and bloody revenge for that. Jewish pogroms against Polish intelligentsia were a popular pastime of Jewsafter the Soviets invaded the Poland. I'd call it even-steven.

Is that what you were asking about?

Seeing as Poles wouldn't even let their own countrymen live in Poland, the chances of them welcoming foreigners is less than high.

So you did know about the restrictions place in Jews by Polish universities when you claimed "Still, Jews in the Interbellum enjoyed more rights in Poland than they did in countries such as the US where they had to wait till late 1960's to finally be allowed to study in the American academia without any restrictions. They never had that issue in Poland." Being aware of the facts and then stating the opposite: I'd call that lying.

You have actually seen events of 1938? I didn't realize you were over 72 years old.

Actually, I was not aware of the "benches", just as you were unaware of unusual rights Jews enjoyed in Poland until the country fell prey to Prussia, Austria and Russia.

I was aware that a disproportionate number of students in Poland's universities were Jews

Where is your response to that point Harry ?

*I'm cheering for Darek by the way ;-)*

*I'm cheering for Darek by the way ;-)*

Things don't exist unless I see them?

I am fully aware that Jews had better rights in Poland than elsewhere in Europe three centuries

but perhaps actions which took place within living memory are a better reflection of reality.

Disproportionate according to who?

to criticize the good bishop for exercising his, so cherished here, right to free speech.

The bishop is, of course, entitled to his opinion and to voice it - and, in the process, make himself look like a dumb klutz. That's his right. As it is ours to criticise his opinion.

I was merely surprised that you refered to events of over 70 years ago as "Seeing that..." Have you seen anything that happened 70 years ago?

215 years ago is closer to 2 centuries rather than 3.

some pogroms, like those still occurring in the United Kingdom,

As far as I can tell, Jews believe that suffering is unique to Jewish people and intolerance, aggression and evil is unique to "goyim."

Do you deny that 8,000 Polish citizens were denied entry to Poland when they were expelled from Germany on 28 October 1938? Can you name any 'western' countries which refused to allow its own citizens into their own nation in that decade?

215 years ago is closer to 2 centuries rather than 3.

We are in the twenty-first century. The eighteenth century was three centuries ago. Two centuries ago was the nineteenth century. Sorry to give you a little maths lecture.

If you read my posts then you know I took no position on this issue which is irrelevant to Pieronek's statements. I refused to comment on this twice already.

On the one hand they loved the idea of "nation within nation" but were unhappy when some tried to formalize that.

Irving, Leuchter and the rest all have the same thing in common:

Of course you refuse to comment on it. We both know that Poland refused to allow 8,000 of the Polish citizens who were expelled from Germany on 28 October 1938 to enter Poland.

Poland clearly had serious problems with anti-semitism.

It's just the wrong thread, in case you haven't noticed.

Poland did not have a problem with anti-semitism. Jews did.

Bishop Tadeusz Pieronek, one of Poland’s most prominent religious figures, is reported to have told an Italian Catholic news web site that the Holocaust was a "Jewish invention". The bishop says his remarks were “taken out of context” however.

As far as I can tell, Jews believe that suffering is unique to Jewish people and intolerance, aggression and evil is unique to "goyim."

Out of interest if 250,000 foreigners, say Indians, had been left in Poland in 1945, how do you think Poles would have reacted to that?

that is bull

that "bishop" needs to sutt the **** up and get ******* **** kicked out of him

Prominent Zionist rabbi says leaving Land of Israel not for sake of mitzvah banned, as is helping Poles – who collaborated with Nazis – make living out of death camps

Answering a reader's question on the subject in the religious "Ma'ayaney Hayeshua" journal, Aviner stated that trips to Poland were "not good" due to the halachic ban on leaving Eretz Israel, and because they "provide livelihood to murderers."

Another argument against visiting the camps, according to the rabbi, was the fact that the Polish people "collaborated with the Nazis" and were now making a living off of these visits. "I'm not busy holding a grudge against the Poles, but we shouldn't provide livelihood to people who allowed death camps to be built on their land and who are now making a profit out of it.

According to Aviner, it was not accidental that the Nazis chose to erect the extermination camps in Poland. "They knew that the people would do nothing. One person was enough to blow up the railroad tracks. Why wasn't this done? Because they all said, 'good,' smiled and waited for what needed to be done to be done by the Nazis.