Influential American journalist says "Jews back to Poland!"

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07 ♂	Jun 10, 10, 18:51 #91
Torq: ...end up in the Random Chat Thread? It's relevant and doesn't break any rules, so why? They think you were joking....I think....

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Jun 10, 10, 18:56 #92

Bratwurst Boy:

They think you were joking....I think....

Well, I wasn't. Seriously - when you think about it, everyone wins:
Poland, because it gets 6 million citizens, who are culture-wise and civilization-wise
compatible with our population, Jews - because they get a new homeland without
Arabs around, constant fear of terrorist attacks and with better climatic conditions
for farming etc. and, finally, palestinian Arabs who can have the entire "palestine"
for themselves (by the way - I'd love to see how they would fare on their own there).

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Jun 10, 10, 19:05 #93

Bratwurst Boy:

so the question can be asked, do you want it both ways? A well off, influential Diaspora and still another country of your own?

I personally would prefer more Jews here, and that's the gradual trend. Jews in the diaspora are assimilating, and those who are more Jewishly conscious are moving here. But meanwhile the existence of a supportive diaspora is an asset for us.

Bratwurst Boy:

Whereas the Palis have...what exactly?

The Palis have the support of the entire Arab nation, which has more people and way more money than the Jewish diaspora. As you put it: "If that wouldn't be so the whole ME conflict would be only one of those exotic conflicts you barely hear about in the media."

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Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Jun 10, 10, 19:07 #94

yehudi:

The Palis have the support of the entire Arab nation,

Oh please, their arab brethren give a sh*it about them, using them only for their own motives.

Depending on them they could all croak in the refugee camps (and many did).
As long as the Pali question is open they have a weapon to use...Re-settled Palis, integrated and satisfied make no good tools...

MareGaea:

If you behave, you can come next time as well.

If I leave something that is....

yehudiThreads: 1 Posts: 871 Joined: Jul 27, 08 ♂	Jun 10, 10, 19:16 #95
Whatever their motives, it's Arab support and Arab financial clout (read "oil") that keeps this issue on the front burner of the world. You asked what the palestinians have that corresponds with our diaspora. That's what they have, and it's impressive. Goodnight.

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07 ♂	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Jun 10, 10, 19:18 #96
Well, their support sucks or they would have their own country by now! 'night!

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Jun 10, 10, 22:00 #97

A reminder of the topic, 'Jews back to Poland'.

I was reading about sth which linked me back to Pol3's post regarding Kazimierz Wilki. He did indeed give Jews a good deal but times changed. Round about 1968, Poland underwent some upheaval. Student marches and alleged anti-Semitism became the norm. The basic reality is that most Poles want just Poles here which is rather ironic given how fed up they appear of one another.

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Edited by: MareGaea Jun 10, 10, 22:25 #98

Seanus:

The basic reality is that most Poles want just Poles here which is rather ironic given how fed up they appear of one another.

That friendliness towards Jews that Kazimierz showed was already declining in the 18th century with the ascending of the Saxon dynasty to the Polish throne. Partitions didn't make things any better and by the 20th century, during the 2nd republic, with the exception of Pilsudski's reign, not much was left of the heritage of Kazimierz.

>^..^<

M-G (nuff said)

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Jun 10, 10, 22:34 #99
Piłsudski would have lent his support to Żegota, that's for sure. He was a fan of what the Jews represented and had achieved. They did quite a lot to enrich Polish society. Many successful people were Jewish here and we can see that they have maintained that reality to this day.

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Jun 10, 10, 22:49 #100

Seanus:

Piłsudski would have lent his support to Żegota, that's for sure. He was a fan of what the Jews represented and had achieved. They did quite a lot to enrich Polish society. Many successful people were Jewish here and we can see that they have maintained that reality to this day.

What I find amazing is that although Jews always fought alongside of Poles previous to WW2 in the post WW1 wars (we used to call them "birth-pain" wars - birthpains of new nations) they somehow always were blamed for sth. Usually based on misconceptions. Not only by Poles, in fact less by Poles than by others, but somehow it always ended up with the killing of several thousands of Jews, while they fought in both armies. I have never understood the reasoning behind that. It's a bit the same when Poles complain that the UK didn't acknowledge the huge effort Poles made during WW2 (and I can understand that claim): Jews fighting alongside of Poles, Ukrainians, Russians, etc, and yet being blamed for defeat or any other mishap. So besides the "normal" deaths in combat, they received some extra deaths as a "reward" for their help. I think Pilsudski was about the only one regent that actually acknowledged the help the Jews had given during those wars, besides the things you mention.

>^..^<

M-G (nuff said)

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Jun 10, 10, 23:04 #101
Ah, but it works 2 ways, M-G. If the Poles did 9 good things for Jews but one bad one, the Jews would focus on the bad one. The vice-versa concept works here too.

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Edited by: MareGaea Jun 10, 10, 23:10 #102

Seanus:

Ah, but it works 2 ways, M-G. If the Poles did 9 good things for Jews but one bad one, the Jews would focus on the bad one. The vice-versa concept works here too.

I'm not denying that, Seanus, but I just wonder why that one bad thing always costs so much lives. In the vice-versa respect Poles and Jews are so much alike. More than they care to admit.

>^..^<

M-G (how the heck did I suddenly receive 300+ emails in my inbox?)

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Jun 10, 10, 23:16 #103
Yeah, both think the Scots are stingy but they are both stingier, LOL

IronsideThreads: 59 Posts: 6,786 Joined: Feb 26, 09 ♂	Edited by: Ironside Jun 10, 10, 23:54 #104
MareGaea: I'm not denying that, Seanus, but I just wonder why that one bad thing always costs so much lives. don't know what you are driving at?

MareGaeaThreads: 45 Posts: 5,527 Joined: Feb 6, 08 ♂	Jun 10, 10, 23:56 #105
Ironside: don't know what you driving at? History teaches us that bad things usually involves the death of one or more ppl, it doesn't matter whether they are Poles, Jews, or whatever. And that is a sad fact. >^..^< M-G (nuff said)

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Edited by: joepilsudski Jun 12, 10, 19:21 #106

Crow:

That way, USA/EU (so called west) achieved their primary goal. At first, they wanted to create Israeli state in order to claim territory of Near East (via meddling in Jewish-Arab situation). So, they unleashed Hitler and sacrificed significant number of European Jewish population. Now, they redirect Jews back to Poland, in order to weaken Slavic element from inside.

Its a perfid game on the long run

Of course.

Seanus:

The basic reality is that most Poles want just Poles here which is rather ironic given how fed up they appear of one another.

Yes, ironic, but don't overdramatize...This happens in every nation on earth.

There is a need for positive Slavic pride and unity, development of science and the humanities...Slavs have much to contribute to the world, but must learn to cooperate on a basis of honesty and respect...Take the long view...What is the saying?...'Think globally, act locally'.

CrowThreads: 367 Posts: 7,316 Joined: Feb 14, 07 ♂ [Suspended]	Edited by: Crow Jun 12, 10, 20:05 #107
joepilsudski: Of course. i think that above comment of mine maybe represent one of my best Net elaborations of facts, ever. Here, i simple exposing the very essence of situation and thinking of non-Slavic elite that ultimately targeting Slavic resources

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Jun 12, 10, 20:13 #108
Overdramatize, Joe? No offence but you don't live here. I agree with the rest.

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Jun 12, 10, 20:49 #109

Crow:

i think that above comment of mine maybe represent one of my best Net elaborations of facts, ever. Here, i simple exposing the very essence of situation and thinking of non-Slavic elite that ultimately targeting Slavic resources

You know the world is very 'politically correct', like 'diversity', right?

You can't say 'bad things' about this one that one...

But Slavs, hey, it OK to say what you want about Slavs!

We must try to change this.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Jun 12, 10, 20:53 #110
There are so many Jews within the ranks of Slavs. Any comments on that, Crow?

Easy_TerranThreads: 4 Posts: 473 Joined: Mar 31, 08 ♂	Jun 21, 10, 04:54 #111
joepilsudski: You can't say 'bad things' about this one that one... So very true. Spew tons of sh!t, fake one, made-up one, a complete bullsh!t one, on the Poles - you are applauded. Say ONE thing, a bad yet true thing, about the chosen f(u)(ol)ks - you're so going to jail.

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Jun 21, 10, 05:22 #112

Seanus:

There are so many Jews within the ranks of Slavs.

What do you mean? A person is either a Jew, or a Slav, or neither I suppose. Some Jewish people are known for having converted to Orthodoxy, sure, but that doesn't make them less Jewish. Also, some Slavs get converted to Judaism (although it's a lot more complicated, and not accepted by many mainstream Judaic authoirities, but that's another story). But they are still Slavic even with their d*cks circumcised ;)

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Jun 21, 10, 11:31 #113
Then you clearly didn't understand what I wanted to say. There were many Jews in amongst Slavs, mixed in. That was the point!

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