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jonniThreads: 26
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 Dec 21, 09, 19:47    #1
It was in today's newspapers here in PL that the somewhat discredited IPN (Institute of National Remembrance) have been ordered by the courts to apologise to the newspaper editor and former political prisoner Adam Michnik.

They'd said that his father was guilty of crimes against Poland. He wasn't - and they've had to apologise.

These are the same clowns who published a book saying that Nobel prize winner Lech Wałęsa was a Communist spy. :-)) Also the subject of a court case.

Here's a link to an article on the Wprost website (in Polish - it hasn't reached English language media yet).

http://www.wprost.pl/ar/182247/IPN-przeprosil-Michnika/

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 Dec 21, 09, 20:04    #2
Many thanks for that article.

If it doesn't prove that the IPN are nothing but a bunch of goons hired by PiS to discredit their political enemies, then what does? The fact that the 'book' about Walesa was written by a Masters student with close links to PiS should have been enough of a dead giveaway that it was merely done by someone trying to make their career at someone else's expense.

PO's continued funding of the IPN is an utter disgrace to the country. It's a shame that Poland can't look into her past fairly and honestly, but still.
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Edited by: 1jola  Jan 6, 10, 11:37    #3
jonni:
somewhat discredited IPN

Former communists and traitors working for SB are working hard to discredit IPN.

jonni:
These are the same clowns who published a book saying that Nobel prize winner Lech Wałęsa was a Communist spy. :-)) Also the subject of a court case.

To call a government institution, which has the responsibility to study, investigate, and prosecute nazi and communist crimes against Polish nationals, "clows" speaks volumes about you. I have the book here and have read it. Have you? Which part of the book do you not agree with? Refer me to some particular document or handwritten denouncement of Walesa you think that the two PH.D historians are wrong about. Court case? That's a joke. Walese thretens court cases all the time, but he is all threats.

jonni:
Nobel prize winner Lech Wałęsa

So is Omama. For peace. So was Szymborska for literature. Have you read her poems praising Stalin?

delphiandomine:
If it doesn't prove that the IPN are nothing but a bunch of goons hired by PiS to discredit their political enemies, then what does?

You have no knowlege on the subject at all, so our coversation will be short.

delphiandomine:
The fact that the 'book' about Walesa was written by a Masters student

Wrong book. You are not even on the same page as your sidekick above. When you learn Polish, you can read this book:

http://gdansk.naszemiasto.pl/wydarzenia/865003.html

jonni:
have been ordered by the courts to apologise to the newspaper editor and former political prisoner Adam Michnik.

Are these the same cours that haven't been able to prosecute even one communist criminal? Ask yourself one question. Crimes were committed, they went unpunished. Why?
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 Jan 6, 10, 11:52    #4
1jola:
To call a government institution, which has the responsibility to study, investigate, and prosecute nazi and communist crimes against Polish nationals, "clowns" speaks volumes about you.

He's actually referring to the two authors of the book which the deputy director of the IPN, Maria Dmochowksa, said publicly the book was part of a "witch-hunt" and shouldn't be published under the institute's name. He's not calling the whole institute clowns (although there is ample evidence that there are more clowns there than just those two).

1jola:
Walese thretens court cases all the time, but he is all threats.

Really? I thought he'd won several court cases since the year 2000 about these claims. Do explain how those cases never happened.


1jola:
Former communists and traitors working for SB are working hard to discredit IPN.

Are you now or have you ever been a member of the... Oh sorry, I was getting you confused with the junior senator for Wisconsin. Easy mistake to make.
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Edited by: 1jola  Jan 6, 10, 12:56    #5
Harry:
the book was part of a "witch-hunt"

One one hand, Poland is accused of not facing its past. When we do, it's a witch hunt. The documents speak for themselves and regretably Walesa was an agent in the 70's. Personally, I, like all Poles, would like that not being so, but it is. The research done on the subject is beyond reproach. Many people sucumbed to pressure to inform, some volunteered though for priviledges, cash, etc. Walesa has become an embarassment now, and watch what will come of his "lawsuit."

Harry:
Are you now or have you ever been a member of the... Oh sorry, I was getting you confused with the junior senator for Wisconsin. Easy mistake to make.

Rarely people confuse me with a US senator, but thnks for the compliment. Yeah, Harry, I'm the McCarthy of PF.

You can take a look at Walesa's goon assault a journalist in court with total impunity. We don't need such sacred cows in this country. The police refused to react. An assault in court, no less. Scandalous. What do you make of this?




BTW, the thug is the President of "Walesa Institute." Whatever that means.
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 Jan 6, 10, 14:04    #6
1jola:
When we do, it's a witch hunt.

At least part of it is according to the IPN.


1jola:
The documents speak for themselves and regretably Walesa was an agent in the 70's.

Pity the documents can't be relied upon to speak the truth.


1jola:
What do you make of this?

It's not as bad as the drink driving case involving the son of a certain former electrician from Gdansk which was 'made to go away'.
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 Jan 6, 10, 15:50    #7
jonni:
They'd said that his father was guilty of crimes against Poland. He wasn't - and they've had to apologise.

He was!

He was guilty and sentenced for 8 years altogether with other communists.
Problem is that IPN said that he was sentenced for spying for Soviets and they had only documents that he was sentenced for membership in Anti State organization and trying to overthrow political system.

I think that IPN was right. If nowdays someone from Al-Kaida works in US or some EU country and "is only trying to change political system" he spies for Al-Kaida too.
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 Jan 14, 10, 23:13    #8
Michnik's biiological father Aron Schechter may ntohave been convicted of espionage, but he was defintiely a subversive oeprating in Stalin's Comintern-linked Polish Communist Party and susbnidiaries in Belarus and Ukraine whose goal was to undermine independent Poland. Michnik's mother was a writer of stalinsit textbooks in the posotwar period whose purpose was to brianwash and Sovietise Polish schoolchildren. And Michnik's brother is a Stalinist desk-top murderer with blood on his hands, a fugitive from justice to this day hiding out in Sweden. Michnik comes from a truly 'fajna rodzinka'!
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 Jan 15, 10, 00:35    #9
1jola:
So was Szymborska for literature. Have you read her poems praising Stalin?

No, I haven't. Yikes. Where can I read these poems (in English)?
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 Jan 15, 10, 14:15    #10
During Stalinism in Poland in 1953 she participated in the defamation of Catholic priests from Kraków who were groundlessly condemned by the ruling Communists to death.[1] Her first book was to be published in 1949, but did not pass censorship as it "did not meet socialist requirements." Like many other intellectuals in post-war Poland, however, Szymborska remained loyal to the PRL official ideology early in her career, signing political petitions and praising Stalin, Lenin and the realities of socialism. This attitude is seen in her debut collection Dlatego żyjemy ("That is what we are living for"), containing the poems Lenin and Młodzieży budującej Nową Hutę ("For the Youth that Builds Nowa Huta"), about the construction of a Stalinist industrial town near Kraków. She also became a member of the ruling Polish United Workers' Party.

Like many Polish intellectuals initially close to the official party line, Szymborska gradually grew estranged from socialist ideology and renounced her earlier political work. Although she did not officially leave the party until 1966, she began to establish contacts with dissidents. As early as 1957, she befriended Jerzy Giedroyc, the editor of the influential Paris-based emigré journal Kultura, to which she also contributed. In 1964 she subscribed Communist backed protest to The Times against independent intellectuals, demanding freedom of speech. [2]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wis%C5%82awa_Szymborska

Like Czesław Miłosz, Szymborska produced ridiculous works for the Stalinist regime that one writer termed Unreal World of Real-Socialism. This was not the highlight of their careers as writers. Miłosz explains this in The Captive Mind. I don't know of English translations of these but I'll try to find some beauties just for laughs.



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