Kaczyński wants a people-friendly Poland

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May 8, 11, 16:59 #1

Following a several-day meeting of intellectuals and politicians in Warsaw, PiS leader Jarosław Kaczyński told reproters: “We have succeeded in formulating a kind of diagnosis of what is happening in Poland and outline the way to change things. We do not wish to divide Poles – as some contend – but to unite Poles round a great task. This is a project about changing Poland to make it more friendly to ordinary Poles in every area, because we discussed transport, our cities, energy, foreign policy, education, culture and everything the authorities deal with… The Grand Project was meeting of intellectuals of different views, not all were conservatives.
Any comments?

http://fakty.interia.pl/polska/news/kaczynski-diagnoza-nowej-sytuacji- polski,1635096,3

PennBoyThreads: 157 Posts: 3,443 Joined: Dec 7, 08 ♂	May 8, 11, 17:03 #2
Polonius3: Kaczyński wants a people-friendly Poland Pay people more, make their lives easier and they'll be friendlier.

MagdalenaThreads: 5 Posts: 1,389 Joined: Aug 15, 07 ♀	May 8, 11, 17:04 #3
Has he been stealing ideas from Palikot? ;-)

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	May 8, 11, 17:16 #4
Everything starts with the desire/will of the people, Pol3. The thing is, too many would rather moan about it rather than do sth to change it. It's deeply ingrained in their mindset to do so so I suggest that JK drops his slogans and let people craft things as they will.

KoalaThreads: 1 Posts: 433 Joined: May 4, 11 ♂	May 8, 11, 17:30 #5
Kaczyński wants a people-friendly Poland It's nice to want things.

Zman	May 8, 11, 17:34 #6
When was JK friendly to anyone himself? He only knows how to destroy things and nothing about how to build.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	May 8, 11, 17:36 #7
He was friendly to the Russians after Smoleńsk until his true colours shone through ;)

gumishuThreads: 17 Posts: 3,943 Joined: Apr 6, 09 ♂	Edited by: gumishu May 8, 11, 17:42 #8
Seanus: He was friendly to the Russians after Smoleńsk until his true colours shone through ;) I don't call telling people how fine they are when they lie to us friendliness - if someone kicks you in the ankle praising them makes as much sense as hating them

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	May 8, 11, 17:49 #9
Further proof that JK is a desperate opportunist. What right does a group of so-called intellectuals have to decide if people smile or frown? Government is here to govern, not to set the mood of the people in that way.

WroclawThreads: 77 Posts: 7,404 Joined: Apr 1, 06 ♂ [Moderator]	May 8, 11, 17:57 #10
Seanus: Government is here to govern, not to set the mood of the people in that way. if the government feels the need to lift our spirits is it not acknowlegement that they are part responsible for lowering them. Seanus: What right does a group of so-called intellectuals have to decide if people smile or frown? aren't we doing something similar in another thread.

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May 8, 11, 18:05 #11

Feelgood factors come through making sensible decisions that are in the interests of the majority. Friendliness is sth that people create more amongst themselves, perhaps aided by government in some way but by no means largely.

Not necessarily, Wrocław. Several factors could have caused a low in the population, e.g Smoleńsk. PiS have just picked up on it but I can't see how they will change things.

What other thread, the uptight one?

SokratesThreads: 19 Posts: 4,464 Joined: Jan 19, 09 ♂ [Suspended]	May 8, 11, 18:16 #12
Wroclaw: if the government feels the need to lift our spirits is it not acknowlegement that they are part responsible for lowering them. Thats not your goverment so what is it to you?

WroclawThreads: 77 Posts: 7,404 Joined: Apr 1, 06 ♂ [Moderator]	May 8, 11, 18:20 #13
Sokrates: Thats not your goverment so what is it to you? Actually, it is. as was every other one i have voted for since the mid 90's.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	May 8, 11, 18:23 #14
They haven't been in government since at least Oct 2007, Sok. Where is the sense in conducting projects when your people cannot carry them out? JK acts like he is in charge and he isn't.

gumishuThreads: 17 Posts: 3,943 Joined: Apr 6, 09 ♂	May 8, 11, 18:27 #15
Seanus: Further proof that JK is a desperate opportunist. What right does a group of so-called intellectuals have to decide if people smile or frown? JK may be a desperate opportunist - but where did you get this other sentence from?

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	May 8, 11, 18:29 #16
What do you mean, gumishu? No intellectual will tell me to smile or frown and I think many Poles would react in exactly the same way. It's none of their business. Govern the country. Oh, I'm sorry, they are not even in power ;)

gumishuThreads: 17 Posts: 3,943 Joined: Apr 6, 09 ♂	May 8, 11, 18:35 #17
Seanus: No intellectual will tell me to smile or frown and I think many Poles would react in exactly the same way but where did you get these intelectuals wishing Poles to smile (or frown) at their behest (man those dictionaries drive me mad ;) - can you say on command instead of 'at one's behest' in English

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	May 8, 11, 18:41 #18
Look at the first post, gumi. The implication is very much there. It was a meeting, not a lecture ;) You could say 'on their command' or 'according to their wishes', yes What, Tusk doesn't want a people-friendly Poland?

SokratesThreads: 19 Posts: 4,464 Joined: Jan 19, 09 ♂ [Suspended]	May 8, 11, 18:43 #19
Wroclaw: Actually, it is. as was every other one i have voted for since the mid 90's. Nope, you're a brit or something else.

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Edited by: gumishu May 8, 11, 18:49 #20

Seanus:

What, Tusk doesn't want a people-friendly Poland?

and does he? what makes you think he does except his own words? maybe compulsory school education for six-year-olds? (of course they need to be mixed with older years to achieve better 'socialization' meaning they should grow up and take all those punches from older kids they sure deserve with gratitude and patience - children should be good Christians, no? )

WroclawThreads: 77 Posts: 7,404 Joined: Apr 1, 06 ♂ [Moderator]	May 8, 11, 18:50 #21
Sokrates: Nope, you're a brit or something else. not according to my passport.

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May 8, 11, 18:54 #22

Polonius3:

Any comments?

Yes - the people don't trust Kaczynski, it's as simple as that. He can talk all he likes - but his behaviour post-election this year has well and firmly turned people against him.

All this talk is just that - talk.

Until PiS convince the electorate that they're trustworthy (and so far, the SLD are doing a far better job of that) - they're going to remain in the political wilderness.

SokratesThreads: 19 Posts: 4,464 Joined: Jan 19, 09 ♂ [Suspended]	May 8, 11, 18:55 #23
Wroclaw: not according to my passport. Passport makes you a citizen not a Pole, for me you're foreign.

gumishuThreads: 17 Posts: 3,943 Joined: Apr 6, 09 ♂	May 8, 11, 18:57 #24
Seanus: Look at the first post, gumi. The implication is very much there. It was a meeting, not a lecture ;) by the way I looked at the first post and couldn't see what you saw

mafketisThreads: 17 Posts: 1,880 Joined: Mar 31, 08 ♂	May 8, 11, 18:58 #25
This sounds to me like same old, same old.

delphiandomineThreads: 42 Posts: 9,954 Joined: Nov 25, 08 ♂ [Suspended]	May 8, 11, 19:01 #26
mafketis: This sounds to me like same old, same old. Pretty much. Wonder how much public cash was wasted with this?

WroclawThreads: 77 Posts: 7,404 Joined: Apr 1, 06 ♂ [Moderator]	May 8, 11, 19:02 #27
Sokrates: for me you're foreign. ok, i can deal with that. can we get back to the topic now, thanks.

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May 8, 11, 19:08 #28

delphiandomine:

Pretty much.

Wonder how much public cash was wasted with this?

why do you think there was any public cash involved?

btw slightly out of topic - I'm pretty sure you all remember that people laughed when the news that Jarosław Kaczyński does not have a bank account hit the screen - apparently he did so for a quite specific reason as mentioned here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlVk_nKZUwI

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	May 8, 11, 19:12 #29
Gumi, I don't see what you mean at all. What is it that is eluding you?

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Edited by: gumishu May 8, 11, 19:20 #30

Seanus:

Gumi, I don't see what you mean at all. What is it that is eluding you?

hmm I believe you have a feeling those 'intelectuals' or intelectuals (whichever suits you) expressed some desire to able to tell people when they should be happy and when upset but I don't find anything in either the original post of the thread or in the article linked that could support such an idea (maybe it is your gut feeling but these are difficult to debate)

sorry to grumble so much - I just find too many people are biased in their judgement of Kaczyński (which is media-created to my mind mostly (completely one-sided etc etc - bordering in a knee-jerk reaction in many individuals - perhaps not so much here in the PolishForums) - oh I grumble again ;)

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