Komorowski won?

mafketisThreads: 17 Posts: 1,880 Joined: Mar 31, 08 ♂	Jul 4, 10, 20:08 #1
First exit polls reveal slight Komorowski lead. But, exit polls have often been unreliable in the past. Does anything think that JK still might have won?

frdThreads: 8 Posts: 1,956 Joined: Feb 3, 09 ♂	Jul 4, 10, 20:10 #2
I think it's much much too early to announce the winner... Kaczynski has won earlier in a similar situation..

ConstantineKThreads: 35 Posts: 1,949 Joined: May 10, 07 ♂	Jul 4, 10, 20:12 #3
Kaczynski, Kaczynski, Kaczynski !!!!!

mafketisThreads: 17 Posts: 1,880 Joined: Mar 31, 08 ♂	Jul 4, 10, 20:16 #4
frd: Kaczynski has won earlier in a similar situation.. I don't know .... all three major polls show Komorowski ahead with the lowest number at 51.0. But of course I don't know the margin of error........ On the other hand, would PiS survive if he won? The president can't (I think) belong to a political party and PiS doesn't have any other potential leaders as far as I can tell.

frdThreads: 8 Posts: 1,956 Joined: Feb 3, 09 ♂	Jul 4, 10, 20:18 #5
I don't like how they are all cheerful in the PO headquarters.. It's still too early, such a thin difference..

sobieskiThreads: 82 Posts: 1,143 Joined: Jun 1, 08 ♂	Jul 4, 10, 20:24 #6
I hope it is true. Poland was on the abyss of a bigoted Radio Marija sponsored era - once again. It deserves better. At the moment PIS is parading Maria Kaczynska with her children - disgusting

frdThreads: 8 Posts: 1,956 Joined: Feb 3, 09 ♂	Jul 4, 10, 20:25 #7
I don't get it, why are they so sure he has won.. ; o

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Jul 4, 10, 20:46 #8

Time to crack open the champagne! I can't contain my excitement, such a charismatic young man, that Komorowski. Never a slogan, only the truth! He'll make Poland into a superpower in the next few years. This man has to be the next Leader of the Year in any magazine. Such a visionary!

Nothing like a joke post ;) ;) ;) I couldn't care less about this mumlak, marionette. When will his puppet strings be ready? :)

PolitykaThreads: 4 Posts: 12 Joined: Jul 4, 10 ♂	Jul 4, 10, 20:51 #9
frd: I don't get it, why are they so sure he has won.. ; o Hmm he tried so hard to lose but couldn't.. A Donald Tusk cardboard cutout would have done a better job than that clown

SokratesThreads: 19 Posts: 4,464 Joined: Jan 19, 09 ♂ [Suspended]	Jul 4, 10, 20:55 #10
Seanus: Time to crack open the champagne! Not yet, last time exit polls favoured LKs opponent as well.

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Edited by: Torq Jul 4, 10, 20:56 #11

sobieski:

Poland was on the abyss of a bigoted Radio Marija sponsored era - once again.

All those who support Civic Platform, should be aware of the fact that if Bronisław
Komorowski wins the presidential election, then in two years time the next parliamentary
elections will be won by PiS easily.

Actually, people who don't want PiS to regain power, should have voted Kaczynski today.
After two years during which Civic Platform will have total political power - Prime Minister
and President, people will blame Civic Platform for everything bad in their lives. Silly as it
seems, it's going to happen - the unemployment rate will be more or less the same it is
now. The economy will not grow so much as to make life of an average Joe significantly
better. People will complain, they will look at those in power to blame and who will they
see? Tusk and Komorowski - both Civic Platform apparatchiks.
So, the final outcome of Komorowski's victory will be PiS back in power in two years time.

I voted Marek Jurek in the first round and stayed home today, as I can't possibly imagine
voting for either of the candidates.

jarnowaThreads: 5 Posts: 801 Joined: Nov 21, 09 ♂	Jul 4, 10, 21:10 #12
I'm not sure if Komorowski is a good choice. Liberals around Europe are responsible for the plague of non-European immigrants. It would be very bad for the future of Poland if he has the same views about immigration. Does anyone know if Komorowski is also liberal about 3rd world immigration?

jonniThreads: 26 Posts: 4,181 Joined: Nov 27, 07 ♂	Jul 4, 10, 21:12 #13
But good news nevertheless - at least Poland will have a president who doesn't use his presidential veto against the elected ruling party.

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Edited by: frd Jul 4, 10, 21:12 #14

Sokrates:

Not yet, last time exit polls favoured LKs opponent as well.

exactly, why the hell are everyone so sure it's over.. they haven't even released the first vote counting numbers

Torq:

Actually, people who don't want PiS to regain power, should have voted Kaczynski today.
After two years during which Civic Platform will have total political power - Prime Minister
and President, people will blame Civic Platform for everything bad in their lives. Silly as it

That is how politics works, of course this only applies to people easily influenced by populistic slogans and those who do not understand how economy works and so on..

Torq:

I voted Marek Jurek in the first round and stayed home today, as I can't possibly imagine
voting for either of the candidates.

I'm baffled, I was pretty sure all Marek Jurek voters will surely vote for Kaczyński..

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Jul 4, 10, 21:16 #15

jonni:

But good news nevertheless - at least Poland will have a president who doesn't use his presidential veto against the elected ruling party.

Thats not good news in any country, having people in power who can't be hindered by anyone or anything is bad even if they're reasonable and solid, PO is neither.

jarnowa:

I'm not sure if Komorowski is a good choice.

Neither JK nor Komorowski are a good choice.

jarnowa:

Does anyone know if Komorowski is also liberal about 3rd world immigration

No politician in Poland wants to be responsible for opening the borders, Poland is fairly insular as a country and as a society, anyone responsible for opening the floodgates would get destroyed as a politician so his personal opinion doesnt matter, he still wont do it.

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Edited by: Torq Jul 4, 10, 21:18 #16

frd:

this only applies to people easily influenced by populistic slogans and those who
do not understand how economy works

Which means 90-95% voters.

frd:

I was pretty sure all Marek Jurek voters will surely vote for Kaczyński.

Why should we? It was for a good reason that Marek Jurek left the alliance with PiS
and nothing much has changed since then. For real Catholic-conservative voters the
choice between Kaczyński and Komorowski is like choice between plague and cholera.

All my friends, who voted for Marek Jurek in the first round, stayed home today as well.

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Edited by: Nathan Jul 4, 10, 21:23 #17

Torq:

For real Catholic-conservative voters the
choice between Kaczyński and Komorowski is like choice between plague and cholera.

Thank you, Torq, it is a good lesson for me and millions of my compatriots. We always analyze what is worse and pick the other one. And that other bastard thinks that s/he, as a political person, was really that much supported. You have to show them what you think right away to keep them on leash.

jonniThreads: 26 Posts: 4,181 Joined: Nov 27, 07 ♂	Edited by: jonni Jul 4, 10, 21:40 #18
Sokrates: having people in power who can't be hindered by anyone or anything is bad Check the meaning of the English word "hindered". Also check your knowledge of the Polish legislative system. It is bicameral and has a constitution - these together provide appropriate checks. LK however used his veto to hamper (even hinder) the political programme of a democratically elected government.

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Jul 4, 10, 21:41 #19

jarnowa:

Liberals around Europe are responsible for the plague of non-European immigrants

It is great mistake to think that liberals are responsible for this incredible immigration. Well, if you want to know the answer who is responsible, than you should look in the mirror. It is you, and me too by the way, who don't have enough strength and responsibility for reproduction, are responsible. It is impossible to have good pensions when you don't have youngs to sustain them

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Jul 4, 10, 21:48 #20

Sokrates:

No politician in Poland wants to be responsible for opening the borders, Poland is fairly insular as a country and as a society, anyone responsible for opening the floodgates would get destroyed as a politician so his personal opinion doesnt matter, he still wont do it.

It's good to hear that the Polish version of liberalism isn't the same as in Western Europe. :)

Economic liberalism in combination with a conservative view on cultural things is the best i think.

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Jul 4, 10, 22:03 #21

Sokrates:

Thats not good news in any country, having people in power who can't be hindered by anyone or anything is bad even if they're reasonable and solid, PO is neither.

I'm not sure why people are saying that PO has complete power - the PSL still have a say, and they've hardly been entirely in harmony with PO lately.

PO are also highly unlikely to do anything offensive with elections due this autumn and next year.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Jul 4, 10, 22:05 #22
Is Komorowski's 'Yes Donald' stamp ready? The man is a cure for insomnia.

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Edited by: SzwedwPolsce Jul 4, 10, 22:09 #23

Kaczynski has congratulated Komorowski as the new president.

"Kochani, szanowni państwo, muszę zacząć od tego, czego wymaga dobry zwyczaj: gratuluję zwycięzcy, gratuluję Bronisławowi Komorowskiemu - powiedział Jarosław Kaczyński."

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I like PO and Tusk. They have an economically liberal view on economy, but still wants a solid welfare system.

And their views on culture and tradition are moderate and well-balanced.

enkiduThreads: 18 Posts: 983 Joined: Sep 23, 08 ♂	Jul 4, 10, 22:37 #24

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Jul 4, 10, 22:44 #25

ConstantineK:

It is great mistake to think that liberals are responsible for this incredible immigration. Well, if you want to know the answer who is responsible, than you should look in the mirror. It is you, and me too by the way, who don't have enough strength and responsibility for reproduction, are responsible. It is impossible to have good pensions when you don't have youngs to sustain them

I think it's better for elderly people to live on a low pension in a peaceful environment in which they feel at home, among people that have the same culture.

What's the advantage of getting higher pensions but at the cost of living in an area that's full of people from non-European origin?

I have no problem at all to pay more Polish tax for the elderly if that helps to keep non-Europeans outside. :)

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Jul 4, 10, 22:48 #26

Torq:

All my friends, who voted for Marek Jurek in the first round, stayed home today as well.

That makes me sick.

Your friends should not moan in the future now, should Komorowski turn out to be shite.

They have effectively put him in power..... why waste your vote ?

Wasters, the bloody lot of you.

If they voted, at least they could have said, " I did " or " I did not " influence the outcome.

delphiandomineThreads: 42 Posts: 9,954 Joined: Nov 25, 08 ♂ [Suspended]	Jul 4, 10, 22:56 #27
jarnowa: I have no problem at all to pay more Polish tax for the elderly Yes, you might have no problem. But what about those earning 1300zl gross? Do you think that they can easily stomach an extra 4-5% tax?

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Jul 4, 10, 23:11 #28
Good point, delph :) Besides, I feel many elderly here are dull and sniping. They shouldn't get any more. For those that worked hard all their lives, that's a different story.

PolskaDollThreads: 44 Posts: 4,134 Joined: Jun 15, 07 ♀	Edited by: PolskaDoll Jul 4, 10, 23:39 #29
Half an hour ago with 20% of votes counted Komorowski had 50.6% of the vote and Kaczynski 49.4%. Too close to call but I suspect Komorowski will win even by a slight margin.

ZedThreads: - Posts: 304 Joined: May 25, 10 ♂	Jul 4, 10, 23:58 #30
Let's hope BK will win. It will be much better for PL not to have a populist quarrelsome president like JK.

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