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Edited by: Torq  Jun 6, 10, 10:00    #1
Los Angeles Times:

Long before James Frey ticked off Oprah, Jerzy Kosinski excited controversy with “The Painted Bird,” a novel that Kosinski slyly promoted as an autobiographical account of his own childhood in Nazi Poland.


http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/culturemonster/2010/06/theater-review- more-lies-about-jerzy-at-the-hayworth-theatre.html

The appalling lack of education of some, so-called, "journalists", never ceases to amaze me...

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 Jun 6, 10, 10:02    #2
I don´t really expect Americans to know much about Europe...
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 Jun 6, 10, 10:13    #3
Torq:
Nazi Poland

yes they probably should have said "occupied PL" but if you notice, the play is about a guy who lied in his "biography".. so one has to wonder if that Jerzy guy actually used that language.. and technically, it was nazi poland from 1939 to 1945..
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Edited by: SeanBM  Jun 6, 10, 10:22    #4
plk123:
and technically, it was nazi poland from 1939 to 1945..

You wouldn't say that in Polish though, it'd be "okupowana Polska" "occupied Poland".
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 Jun 6, 10, 10:34    #5
plk123:
it was nazi poland from 1939 to 1945


You surely meant - Nazi occupied Poland, no?
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Edited by: vetala  Jun 6, 10, 11:12    #6
People use this expression all the time. It's important to point it out to them but it's a waste of time and space to report every single such instance here.
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 Jun 6, 10, 11:23    #7
Miguel Colombia:
I don´t really expect Americans to know much about Europe...


I do. I live in Poland, and I've read the book.
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 Jun 6, 10, 12:01    #8
I have never heard anyone in Europe say nazi-Poland.

Poland was occupied by nazis, but the republic (with exil government) had nothing to do with nazism.
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 Jun 6, 10, 12:08    #9
Nazism, LOL. There is a small subculture here but to tar the nation with that brush is pure fallacy!
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 Jun 7, 10, 07:04    #10
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did neither of you read the rest of my post? lol

SzwedwPolsce:

Poland was occupied by nazis, but the republic (with exil government) had nothing to do with nazism.

yeah but one could possibly argue that Pilsudski had somewhat of that tendency too..
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 Jun 7, 10, 10:08    #11
plk123:
yeah but one could possibly argue that Pilsudski had somewhat of that tendency too..

With Nazism? How?
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 Jun 7, 10, 10:09    #12
he was into exclusion of others and pushed for polonization of areas, etc.
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 Jun 7, 10, 10:16    #13
You and ConstantineK should get together and rewrite history your goofy way.

How embarassing for you, friend.
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 Jun 7, 10, 10:17    #14
plk123:
yeah but one could possibly argue that Pilsudski had somewhat of that tendency too..

No plk, Piłsudski was at best authoritarian, thats oceans away from Nazism or even Fascism.
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 Jun 7, 10, 10:21    #15
1jola:
You and ConstantineK should get together and rewrite history your goofy way.

yeah, because that doesn't fit into your complete hatred of upo which you say had no reason for it's existence but was a result of some of the polish politics of that period.

Sokrates:
at best authoritarian,

at best? some of his policies and grand ideas at least border on fascism or nazisim.. not that he wasn't great for poland but let's not be blind.
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 Jun 7, 10, 10:23    #16
plk123:
did neither of you read the rest of my post?

I can't read.

plk123:
yeah but one could possibly argue that Pilsudski had somewhat of that tendency too..

Are you saying that everyone with questionable leadership like Julius Caesar, Alexander the great, Napoleon, Genghis Khan are all Nazis?

At some point the word 'Nazi' will lose it's meaning altogether, luckily I can't read.
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 Jun 7, 10, 10:37    #17
plk123:
at best? some of his policies and grand ideas at least border on fascism or nazisim.. not that he wasn't great for poland but let's not be blind.

Do you even know what the f*ck Nazism and Fascism is? Czytaj książki panie kolego to nie boli.

Nazism and Fascism are specific systems that incorporate specific social and political ideas and ways to achieve them i'm not going to go into lecture mode you've got books to teach you, Piłsudski had nothing to do with either, he was an authoritarian militaristic statesman but thats it.

According to your logic entire medieval Europe was fascist or nazi since most kings were absolute ruling iron fisted bastards, don't overuse terms out of place here.
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 Jun 7, 10, 12:15    #18
plk123:
yeah but one could possibly argue that Pilsudski had somewhat of that tendency too..

you could argue about anything. Although some would say that to argue for the sake of debate is cheap not sensible.
Proper way to argue is to pass some idea or concept or your view on a given subject.
Making statements or passing remarks just for a sake of making them is not very wise it give to individual involved air of the halfwit.
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 Jun 7, 10, 12:19    #19
Btw. Jerzy Kosiński novel isnt authbiographical:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerzy_Kosi%C5%84ski#Criticism
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 Jun 7, 10, 20:52    #20
But he tried to pass it off as one till he was exposed.

The Painted Bird, Kosiński's controversial 1965 novel, is a fictional account that depicts the personal experiences of a boy of unknown religious and ethnic background who wanders around unidentified areas of Eastern Europe during World War II and taking refuge among a series of people, many of whom are brutally cruel and abusive, either to him or to others.

Another Jew spitting on the people who saved him from death. Suicide was a correct step.

A Roman Catholic priest issued him a forged baptismal certificate. The Kosiński family survived the Holocaust thanks to local villagers, who offered assistance to Jewish Poles often at great personal risk (the penalty for assisting Jews in Nazi-occupied Poland was death). Kosiński's father received help not only from Polish town leaders and churchmen, but also from individuals such as Marianna Pasiowa, a member of the Polish underground network helping Jews to evade capture. The family lived openly in Dąbrowa Rzeczycka near Stalowa Wola, and attended church in nearby Wola Rzeczycka, obtaining support from villagers in Kępa Rzeczycka. They were sheltered temporarily by a Catholic family in Rzeczyca Okrągła. The young Jerzy even served as an altar boy in a local church.[2]


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 Jun 10, 10, 16:43    #21
And the story of retarded journalism continues - this time in The Guardian...

http://www.guardian-series.co.uk/news/efnews/8210577.CHIGWELL_LOUGHTON __Jewish_community_visit_Polish_death_camps/

...feckin pathetic.
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 Jun 10, 10, 16:52    #22
...
Chigwell & Hainault congregation member Jack Godfrey said:“Poland for me remains an enigmatic paradox between barbaric tragedy on the one hand, yet on the other we have been told of the courage and kindness of many Poles who risked their lives to save Jews.

Look Mom...no Nazis!!!

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 Jun 11, 10, 00:30    #23
Torq:

...feckin pathetic.

where? what?
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 Jun 11, 10, 00:39    #24
1jola:
Suicide was a correct step.

that was uncalled for. I hope you don't consider yourself Christian;)
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 Jun 11, 10, 01:18    #25
aphrodisiac:
that was uncalled for.

come clean Miranda is getting old!





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Edited by: Torq  Jun 11, 10, 14:42    #26
plk123:
where? what?


They corrected it to "Nazi death camps". Read the comments under the article :D
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 Jun 13, 10, 07:17    #27
It's a Jewish owned paper: What you want?
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 Jun 13, 10, 12:01    #28
Torq:
They corrected it to "Nazi death camps". Read the comments under the article :D


What comments?

'journeyed to Poland to visit its Nazi death camps'. So this is the nicer version?
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Edited by: Torq  Jun 14, 10, 12:46    #29
nott:
What comments?


They removed them all - the comments were hilarious :)

nott:
'journeyed to Poland to visit its Nazi death camps'. So this is the nicer version?


They didn't change this bit - ar*eholes!
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 Jun 14, 10, 15:38    #30
Miguel Colombia:
I don´t really expect Americans to know much about Europe...

That's right, downright comedy if it wasn't that their serious

aphrodisiac:
that was uncalled for. I hope you don't consider yourself Christian;)

Honor! A Polish patriot is ready to go to hell even so if it saves the honor of the Polish nation and their kinsmen :)


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