Majority of Poland's kids physically unfit, claims PPA.

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Jun 11, 10, 23:29 #1

"Over 90% of Polish children suffer from various developmental defects and ailments, almost one-in-four (have) chronic diseases and a majority of kids are physically unfit, according to the Polish Paediatric Association (PPA)."

http://www.thenews.pl/national/artykul133407_majority-of-polands-kids- physically-unfit--claim-doctors.html

I know there are some teachers on this forum. Can you confirm this? Any own thoughts about the causes? It sounds pretty alarming. Or is it just a kind of a "Daily Mail"-story ... lots of shouting but nothing behind it?

wildroverThreads: 180 Posts: 8,188 Joined: Jun 7, 07 ♂	Jun 11, 10, 23:32 #2
Its probably true....now that Macdonalds and computer games have reached Poland , they will get the same problems we have in the UK...It does not suprise me....

StuThreads: 27 Posts: 1,109 Joined: Mar 31, 10 ♂	Jun 11, 10, 23:37 #3
I've heard that the current generation in the US is the first generation that will live shorter than the generation before ... I do hope Poland won't follow that example. But if it is true what the Polish Paediatric Association says, then it doesn't look well.

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Edited by: Amathyst Jun 11, 10, 23:41 #4

Stu:

"Over 90% of Polish children

Thats a high figure..which I would find hard to believe.

Stu:

various developmental defects and ailments

What are these?

wildrover:

Its probably true....now that Macdonalds and computer games have reached Poland , they will get the same problems we have in the UK...It does not suprise me....

Admittedly its been 4 years since I was in Poland, but I didnt see gross amounts of chubby little feckers waddling about like I do in the UK.

Stu:

lots of shouting but nothing behind it?

I think Polish parents suffer from hypochondria by proxi behaviour and take their kids to the ER/doctors more than they need to.

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Edited by: SzwedwPolsce Jun 11, 10, 23:42 #5

Stu:

I've heard that the current generation in the US is the first generation that will live shorter than the generation before

It's true.

In many parts of the world people starve to death. In other parts of the world people are literary eating themselves to death.

Stu:

Over 90% of Polish children suffer from various developmental defects and ailments

Not true. I just had a med school rotation in the pediatric hospital.

StuThreads: 27 Posts: 1,109 Joined: Mar 31, 10 ♂	Edited by: Stu Jun 11, 10, 23:49 #6
Amathyst: What are these? I dunno ... I just copied it from the article Amathyst: hypochondria by proxi Would that account for the huge number of ads on Polish tele for medicins? There is always some guy with a headache, or some woman with bowel problems ... :-S

TrevekThreads: 33 Posts: 2,155 Joined: May 21, 08 ♂	Jun 11, 10, 23:52 #7
I see a back specialist. She recently told me that she went to a gymnasium school and only around 20% of kids had good posture.

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Edited by: Amathyst Jun 11, 10, 23:53 #8

Stu:

Would that account for the huge number of ads on Polish tele for medicins?

God knows, but my mates wife takes their kid to the ER if he has a sniffle/temp..when calpul would do the trick..Its always a really big drama!

Stu:

I dunno ... I just copied it from the article

Then the article isn't giving the full facts and kids suffer from all sorts when growing up..and defect could mean they need to wear glasses or they have fallen arches..both of which can be corrected before they reach adulthood and neither are life threatening...Why are we so bothered in the UK about Polish kids in Poland? What makes it so news worthy?

StuThreads: 27 Posts: 1,109 Joined: Mar 31, 10 ♂	Edited by: Stu Jun 11, 10, 23:58 #9
Amathyst: Why are we so bothered in the UK about Polish kids in Poland? Well ... I am not in the UK, I am sorry. Maybe cause it's a forum about "POLAND AND POLISH NEWS LIVE" (see the white letters in the red bar at the top of the homepage)? Just an idea ... .

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Edited by: Moderator Jun 12, 10, 00:01 #10

Stu:

Well ... I am not in the UK, I am sorry. Maybe cause it's a forum about "POLAND AND POLISH NEWS LIVE" (see the white letters in the red bar at the top of the page)? Just an idea ...

I wasnt talking about you, I was talking about the article...calm down! Im sure that news papers in Spain dont print articles on Brits being binge drinkers in the UK...that was my point...
The article is from News.pl, Polish news about Poland...

polishcanuckThreads: 10 Posts: 583 Joined: Feb 11, 07 ♂	Jun 12, 10, 01:43 #11
Looks like the american lifestyle has taken over poland:)

AmathystThreads: 30 Posts: 3,968 Joined: Nov 10, 06 ♀	Jun 12, 10, 02:51 #12
polishcanuck: Looks like the american lifestyle has taken over poland:) Not even close..As I said, I was there 4 years ago and didnt see ONE fat kid..

Chicago PollockThreads: 10 Posts: 638 Joined: Apr 10, 10 ♂	Jun 12, 10, 06:36 #13
SzwedwPolsce [quote]In many parts of the world people starve to death. In other parts of the world people are literary eating themselves to death.[quote] People don't eat anymore in the States than they used to, it's just the wrong stuff. When I was a kid it was meat and potatoes, now it's pasta, pasta, pasta and High fructose corn syrup in everything. Too many sugars and carbs.

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Jun 12, 10, 09:01 #14

Chicago Pollock:

it's just the wrong stuff

I guess you are right. People mostly eat processed foods (look at the colour on the average dinner table - if people take the trouble to sit down and eat together at all - it's all light brown ... can't be right). People say it's quick, and cheaper than healthy food, but I guess it's just "penny wise, pound foolish". In the long run, you just have higher medical bills. And if we as parents give the wrong example to our children, then I think nothing will change.

You can buy 2 hamburgers at the McDonalds for 2 euros. And what can you buy in the supermarket for 2 euros? Nothing that makes us feel "satisfied", i.e. which gives us the feeling we've had enough to eat.

Don't get me wrong ... I'm not some health guru gnawing on salad leaves all day like some deranged rabbit ... there is nothing wrong with some "comfort food" once in a while.

But the scary thing is, that we are in fact killing our kids with a bad diet. Everybody is outraged when they see videos of 4 or even 2-yr olds smoking cigarettes (http://www.mediaite.com/online/disturbing-viral-video-two-year-old-sm okes-40-cigarettes-a-day/) and we question the "parenting skills" <ahum> of these parents. But if we keep feeding all this processed stuff to our kids, which in fact makes them live shorter than us, aren't we in a way just as culpable?

Just a question ... . Any thoughts ... ?

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Jun 12, 10, 11:52 #15

Over 90% in nonsense, and perhaps is motivated by the alarming reports in the news for more doctors. Read on.

Parents are doing a serious disservice to their kids by "aranging" notes from doctors that excuse kids in school from Physical Ed., and turning them into cellphone texting robots incapable of concentrating for more than ten seconds, well only enough to send, check, send ...

Three year old kids in prams is a crime also.

SzwedwPolsceThreads: 13 Posts: 1,915 Joined: Feb 21, 09 ♂	Jun 12, 10, 13:34 #16
Chicago Pollock: People don't eat anymore in the States than they used to If you count the calories, they eat more for sure. And the gain/loss balance of calories is severely disturbed. E.g. when people drive car to their friend 300 meters from their home.

southernThreads: 116 Posts: 10,955 Joined: May 17, 07 ♂	Jun 12, 10, 20:29 #17
Ridiculous claim.Poles were judged by US in the beginning of 20th century as being able for hard manual work in the coal mines opposite to the Italian immigrants.On the other hand I noticed in my first visit in Poland lots of dwarfs and people with genetic diseases of the kind that you don't meet in the West but I attributed it to the lack of prenatal control during communism.

AmathystThreads: 30 Posts: 3,968 Joined: Nov 10, 06 ♀	Jun 13, 10, 01:26 #18
Stu: And what can you buy in the supermarket for 2 euros? Nothing that makes us feel "satisfied", i.e. which gives us the feeling we've had enough to eat. Wrong, people are lazy or have too much expendable income and therein lies the problem - It's amzaing how creative you can get with some rice, potatoes or lentals..if you need to be.

Miguel ColombiaThreads: 3 Posts: 711 Joined: Apr 20, 10 ♂	Jun 13, 10, 01:49 #19
90% is a sensationalist percentage.

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Edited by: zetigrek Jun 13, 10, 08:52 #20

Stu:

I know there are some teachers on this forum. Can you confirm this? Any own thoughts about the causes? It sounds pretty alarming. Or is it just a kind of a "Daily Mail"-story ... lots of shouting but nothing behind it?

Im not teacher but its nothing new. I have backbone scoliosis like 90% of Poles (but what I heard skoliosis despite of popular myth, in fakt isnt connected with lack of sport activity).

Mind that physically unfit doesnt mean fat. I'm not fit and I'm on the verge of underweight according to my BMI.

And this isnt a new phenomenom. These statistic can apply to my generation either.

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Jun 13, 10, 09:17 #21

southern:

Ridiculous claim.Poles were judged by US in the beginning of 20th century as being able for hard manual work in the coal mines opposite to the Italian immigrants.

What??? And what they have said about Serbs?

Btw Southern no woman in Poland would be intrested with such a psycho like you. You dont have girlfriend thats why you are constatntly sitting here and writing those chauvinistic, sexistic nonsense all the time, disrespecting polish women... and somethimes polish nation.

southern:

On the other hand I noticed in my first visit in Poland lots of dwarfs and people with genetic diseases of the kind that you don't meet in the West but I attributed it to the lack of prenatal control during communism.

Excuse me? What?? You never been in Poland southern... I've already known that.

StuThreads: 27 Posts: 1,109 Joined: Mar 31, 10 ♂	Edited by: Stu Jun 13, 10, 09:21 #22
Zetigrek, I am very sorry to hear that and I do hope you don't have too many problems with your back. No, you are right. Scoliosis has nothing to do with lack of PE, but has most likely to do with genetic factors. Maybe your assertion explains the high percentage ... it does make very good sense.

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Edited by: zetigrek Jun 13, 10, 09:44 #23

Stu:

Zetigrek, I am very sorry to hear that and I do hope you don't have too many problems with your back. No, you are right.

Thank you for your concern. I'm ok dont feel any sides effect of it. Maybe its because it not severe scoliosis :)

Stu:

Maybe your assertion explains the high percentage ... it does make very good sense.

Well I think those statistic are true. I have problems jogging for 5 minutes... and its nothing unusual in my generation. Also the things about not attending on PE lessons are true. Its a major problem.

southernThreads: 116 Posts: 10,955 Joined: May 17, 07 ♂	Jun 13, 10, 14:09 #24
zetigrek: Btw Southern no woman in Poland would be intrested with such a psycho like you It is the opposite.Polish women are more psycho than me.

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Jun 13, 10, 14:53 #25

SzwedwPolsce:

And the gain/loss balance of calories is severely disturbed. E.g. when people drive car to their friend 300 meters from their home.

don't be ridiculous.
For such a long distance they first stop at a gas station to make sure they have enough in the tank to make it back home. And that will make it more than 300 meters. If they stop by MacDonalds that adds to the distance And when they pump gas it's exercise. After all they have to push a button, and sometimes even lift a lever.

time meansThreads: 9 Posts: 2,306 Joined: Apr 21, 08 ♂	Jun 13, 10, 14:57 #26
southern: I noticed in my first visit in Poland lots of dwarfs zetigrek: Excuse me? What?? You never been in Poland southern... Of course he has shorty.

southernThreads: 116 Posts: 10,955 Joined: May 17, 07 ♂	Jun 13, 10, 15:10 #27
I saw that in 2002.Now you don't see neglected diseases often.

MagdalenaThreads: 5 Posts: 1,389 Joined: Aug 15, 07 ♀	Jun 13, 10, 15:23 #28
southern: I saw that in 2002.Now you don't see neglected diseases often. Yeah. They successfully killed off all the dwarves and genetic freaks in the last 8 years. :->

southernThreads: 116 Posts: 10,955 Joined: May 17, 07 ♂	Jun 13, 10, 15:30 #29
I really don't know what happened.But I always liked the strange things you can see in Poland.For me Balkans is rockabilly Poland is psychedelic.

zetigrekThreads: 59 Posts: 2,709 Joined: May 20, 10 ♂	Edited by: zetigrek Jun 13, 10, 15:36 #30
southern: to the lack of prenatal control during communism Maybe Charnobyl??? LOL first visit in Poland lots of dwarfs Maybe there was a world dwarf convention taking place in Poland... and they forgot to invite you? ;P

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