Matki Bożej : 911: How Polish-Lithuanian Jews Changed the World

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Oct 2, 09, 08:02 #1

Ehud Barak: Architect of 911

Shimon 'Israel buy up Hungary, Poland & Manhattan' Peres, Netanyahu, Ehud Barak
'Three Stooges'?...No, 'Stooges-R-US'

Eight years after 9-11, the American people and the U.S. government are still woefully misinformed about what actually happened on September 11, 2001. The media version of events, accepted by most Americans, is based on a completely false understanding of the terror atrocity that changed America – and the world. This is, however, no accident. This is how Israeli false-flag terrorism is designed to work.

The terror attacks of 9-11 were planned and carried out by Zionist extremists with the intention that the blame would be assigned to Islamic terrorists based in Afghanistan. Israeli military leaders and the Zionist-controlled media were well prepared to interpret the attacks so that public opinion would blame Muslims and Arabs for the atrocity. Changing public opinion is the primary mission of the architects of false-flag terrorism.

http://www.nolajbs.net/forum/index.php?topic=14794
http://www.bollyn.com/index.php#article_11426

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Oct 2, 09, 13:34 #2

I don't think Ehud Barak was the architect of 9/11, Joe. However, the dancing Israelis were suspicious to say the least. Also, nobody has been able to successfully answer the quote from an Israeli tv show, broadcast in Nov 2001. "We were there to document the event". That's pretty unambiguous. I have hundreds of reasons not to believe the official version but I don't really see it as the work of the Jews.

The order to stand down at the relevant airports was given by men with supreme power (cabal) that we don't know about. Yes, the security firm was an Israeli one but I don't think they acted of their own accord.

There is no doubt that PNAC members were in the know, as was Rockefeller as he told Russo all about it. However, how many of them are Jewish neocons, Joe? Paul Wolfowitz for sure but who else? Zakheim? Zelikow? Zelikow was involved with the Omission Report but Zakheim knew more. I don't think Israelis like Sharon, Peres and Netanyahu were really in on it. Maybe it was leaked to them but they weren't the orchestrators/architects.

szkotja2007Threads: 38 Posts: 2,543 Joined: Dec 29, 06 ♂	Oct 2, 09, 13:43 #3
Seanus: the dancing Israelis were suspicious to say the least. Very odd ! Coincidence ?

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Oct 2, 09, 14:11 #4

I remember reading that, brethren. I still think it was an after reaction rather than sth thought out in advance. However, if you subscribe to the view that Atta and the others were CIA agents, and there is MUCH to support that claim, then it didn't matter if leakages got out. All the American government had to do was deny knowledge of the exact day and pitch in a few wobblers to knock people off line, e.g war games. There was a PDF and numerous other reports as to the imminent nature of an attack but no day was specified. I'm really surprised that no security was put in place, though.

I can safely tell Joe that there were numerous parties and the Zionists were by no means acting alone. People of many nationalities had a hand in it.

vetalaThreads: - Posts: 512 Joined: Jul 10, 09 ♀	Oct 2, 09, 20:39 #5
szkotja2007: Seanus: the dancing Israelis were suspicious to say the least.Very odd ! Oh, come on people. 5 dumb tourists were cheering at something which they considered a good show. It's a normal idiot behaviour.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Oct 2, 09, 21:03 #6
Dumb tourists? Vetala, many Israelis were questioned in and around 9/11 and they were all freed. There is a video of a woman viewing suspicious activity from men near a van. She felt them to be members of Mossad.

jonniThreads: 26 Posts: 4,189 Joined: Nov 27, 07 ♂	Oct 2, 09, 22:05 #7
joepilsudski: The terror attacks of 9-11 were planned and carried out by Zionist extremists How can so much nonsense issue forth from the keyboard of one man? What next? Maybe Barack Obama's from the planet Jupiter?

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Oct 2, 09, 22:10 #8
Well, we haven't seen his birth certificate so maybe it's a well-kept secret that he orbits Galileo and loves Jupiter ;) Joe, I think you'll find that more Italians were involved than Zionists. Gelli, for example.

jonniThreads: 26 Posts: 4,189 Joined: Nov 27, 07 ♂	Oct 2, 09, 22:17 #9
Seanus: Gelli, for example. Nonagenarians can do so much these days. Ninety is the new eighty.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Oct 2, 09, 22:24 #10
Um, quite ;) ;) Many of the culprits are in the CFR and Trilateral Commission. Kristal was involved, I'm pretty sure.

jonniThreads: 26 Posts: 4,189 Joined: Nov 27, 07 ♂	Edited by: jonni Oct 2, 09, 22:39 #11
It was actually a conspiracy between the KGB, the Triads, Lech Wałęsa, the Bilderberg Group, the Freemasons, the publishers of 'The Da Vinci Code' and Jack the Ripper. And joepilsudski is a shape-shifting alien.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Oct 2, 09, 22:43 #12
Hehehe, I don't believe that the Russians were in on it but some do. Name me one Polish-Lithuanian Jew who undoubtedly had a hand in 9/11, Joe. I've researched 9/11 more than most people and I'd be hard pushed to come up with a name.

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Edited by: joepilsudski Oct 3, 09, 06:28 #13

Seanus:

Hehehe, I don't believe that the Russians were in on it but some do. Name me one Polish-Lithuanian Jew who undoubtedly had a hand in 9/11, Joe. I've researched 9/11 more than most people and I'd be hard pushed to come up with a name.

Well, Seanus, I'm encouraged so far...At least we're geting am intelligent discussion here...At least, some healthy scepticism...I feel that one must approach this whole issue with the mindset of a detective...When a detective investigates a serious crime, the main question always asked is 'who had the motive and the means?'...If you go back to the links I posted, I use the analysis of Christopher Bollyn as a basis...Now, Bollyn is merticulous in his research, in fact, IMHO, he is numero uno in putting the pieces together...Bollyn is very respected by anyone who takes a serious view of this, and his fact gathering is impeccable...And he is not the only one, but the best when putting the pieces together...As far as neo-cons in the know, there is one man right in the middle of all this: Dov Zakhein, dual Israeli-American citizen, and comptroller of the US Dept. of Defense at the time of the event...No one remembers that on September 10, 2001, DOD chief Donald Rumsfelt announced that $2.5 TRILLION was missing from the Pentagon budget from a period of approx. 1997-2001...TRILLION...And who was supposed to be keeping track of this money?...Dov Zakheim...Zakheim also was in charge of the security firm that kept watch on the WTC after the 1993 bombing, which was another questionable 'event'...His company had all the blueprints and schematics for ALL the buildings in the WTC complex for a period of ten years...And there is much more on Zakheim...In addition, one of my high school classmates, Doug Feith, another Khazar, was Bush's National Security advisor at the time...He was one among a nest that surrounded Bush...I don't think Feith had insid knowledge of the 'mechanics' of the take down, as he was too stupid...I remember him from high school history class, when he talked about dropping nuclear bombs on North Vietnam...

Yes, Americans were involved with the mechanics of the attack...The list is long, too long to list right now...IMHO, however, the Israelis were the spearhead of the attack for many reasons...Politics, but also money...Much money was made on that day by Khazars, and much more afterward, and before.

As far as 'Polish-Lithuanians', Peres, Barak & Netanyahu, who by the way is a 'hometown' (Philadelphia suburbs) boy, are all Jews from the former Polish-Lithuanian territories...All their grandparents were from Poland, Belarus, Lithuania...All their grandfathers were rabbis...

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Oct 3, 09, 07:15 #14

You people a pathetic falling for all the conspiracy trap-crap.
Actually, you know..Americans invented all the the tsunami and earthquakes and mystery viruses...we cause that too! The Earth is way toooo crowded, we need too destroy the "little people' who breath the very scarce oxygen. It should be reserved only for the people who deserve to live, who are brainwashed enough not to question anything so they can carry on the human race as a bunch of zombies. lol.

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Edited by: joepilsudski Oct 3, 09, 07:41 #15

Eurola:

You people a pathetic falling for all the conspiracy trap-crap.
Actually, you know..Americans invented all the the tsunami and earthquakes and mystery viruses...we cause that too! The Earth is way toooo crowded, we need too destroy the "little people' who breath the very scarce oxygen. It should be reserved only for the people who deserve to live, who are brainwashed enough not to question anything so they can carry on the human race as a bunch of zombies. lol.

Well, 'yehuda', even though you jest, this is actually the 'fundamentalist' Judaic religious viewpoint, from the Talmud & Kaballah, as taught by many of the elders: "Even the best among the 'goyim' must be killed'...But the majority of Jews are decent, and don't subscribe to such rubbish...In addition, the wealthy hereditary elites in Europe also lean toward this theory, since, as they haven't done an honest day's work in their lives, they are annoyed by the swarms of 'worker bees and ants' who ruin their view of the planetary landscape!!!...However, getting back on point here, the '911 event' was done for 'geo-political' and money purposes.

EurolaThreads: 6 Posts: 2,647 Joined: Dec 2, 06 ♀	Oct 3, 09, 07:49 #16
joepilsudski: , the '911 event' was done for 'geo-political' and money purposes. So...where is the money river and the political gain? None of us really feel it, not even the ones who 'invented it'. Right? Yes, I was kidding...all the stories one hears and reads..can't help it. The Internet was invented by the jews to keep us all confused and scared... yeah, that too. Is Bill Gates jewish? :)

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Oct 3, 09, 11:18 #17

The money river is in the big corporations who directly profitted, Eurola. There is some credible evidence of the Zionist hand but I wouldn't overplay it. As I've said before, fatcats and big cheeses know no national boundaries. There were so many who had a stake in the events of 9/11. Joe, feel free to ask me specific questions as I think I've covered, like Bollyn, the great majority of angles and can see a clear picture emerging. I want to keep this academic and useful.

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Oct 3, 09, 18:04 #18

Seanus:

Joe, feel free to ask me specific questions as I think I've covered, like Bollyn, the great majority of angles and can see a clear picture emerging. I want to keep this academic and useful.

OK, my friend, and we start simple, and with the money:

The WTC was initially financed, when built, by Chase Manhattan bank, and was owned by various pension funds (NY State Teacher's Pension Fund, for one), but was also subsidized by the PATH (Port Authority of NY), who were another owner...In the 90s, there was a drive to 'privatize' the WTC complex.

1) Who was one of the leaders in the effort to 'privatize', or sell the WTC?
2) What company & who in that company arranged for the new mortgage when it was 'privatized' or sold?
3) Who bought the WTC, and who collected the insurance money when it was 'hit'?

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Oct 3, 09, 21:15 #19
1) Would that be Securacom, Marvin Bush's firm? 2) As above 3) Larry Silverstein and Associates got double in return Correct me if I am wrong as I didn't Google this or consult any other source.

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Edited by: joepilsudski Oct 4, 09, 01:18 #20

Seanus:

1) Would that be Securacom, Marvin Bush's firm?

2) As above

3) Larry Silverstein and Associates got double in return

Correct me if I am wrong as I didn't Google this or consult any other source.

That's OK: Here are the answers:

1) Who was one of the leaders in the effort to 'privatize', or sell the WTC?
2) What company & who in that company arranged for the new mortgage when it was 'privatized' or sold?
3) Who bought the WTC, and who collected the insurance money when it was 'hit'?

1) Ronald Lauder, President of the WJC (World Jewish Congress), heir to the Estee Lauder fortune,and NYC tycoon.
2) Blackstone Group: International 'hedge fund' headed by Dr. Henry Kissinger with advisor Maurice "Hank' Greenberg of AIG.
3) Larry Silverstein, with part of the mortgage money coming from GMAC (General Motors Financial) now in the control of Ezra Merkin, another 'dual' citizen, also 'owner' of NYC Bank Leumi.

Lauder

Blackstone Logo

Silverstein

Merkin on right with his boys..

l 'Chaim!

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Oct 4, 09, 01:35 #21

joepilsudski:

The terror attacks of 9-11 were planned and carried out by Zionist extremists with the intention that the blame would be assigned to Islamic terrorists based in Afghanistan. Israeli military leaders and the Zionist-controlled media were well prepared to interpret the attacks so that public opinion would blame Muslims and Arabs for the atrocity. Changing public opinion is the primary mission of the architects of false-flag terrorism.

Joe, you also believe that the "Protocols of the elderly of Zion" is a true document and not a forgery by an anti-semitic Russian journalist?

Eurola:

You people a pathetic falling for all the conspiracy trap-crap.

Eurola, sweetie, Joe is just a sick piece of cr*p. A sick f*ck who can't stand that some Jews are more successful than his beloved Polish ppl. Although I don't believe that any righteous Polish person could be proud of types like him. I tried to look at it a normal way, but you see the amount of cr*p that is flowing from him and his anti-semitic friends, so it's no longer pssbl for me to tolerate scum like that.

Seanus

Sorry Seanus, I wanted to keep this academic too, but think of the starting point, the main idea behind this whole thread: the diminishing again of a group of ppl based on something that is not even true. And think of it: would a rabiate organisation like Al-Quaeda accept money from Jews? Heck no, they wouldn't. The money flow for the 911 attacks was coming from Arab funds and indirectly from the American government itself.

M-G (tsk)

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Edited by: joepilsudski Oct 4, 09, 07:11 #22

MareGaea:

Joe, you also believe that the "Protocols of the elderly of Zion" is a true document and not a forgery by an anti-semitic Russian journalist?

Really don't know...There is never any balanced discussion on the issue...We'll probably never know...It seems like a document influenced by FreeMasonry to me...Are you suggesting that Sergei Nilus wrote it?...The principles in there are basically of a devilish nature, and it seems as if they are in effect, in any case...Back on point, here I'm talking about Israelis whose arrogance is beyond the 'Pale'...Their power in the US should be clear to anyone who lives here...If they were Polish, I would be pointing out Polish gangster activity...But I am no expert on the matter, just a student, or a low level deyective...Please go to Christopher Bollyn's website, which I posted, then tell me what you think...By the way, Bollyn lived in Israel for about a year, so he has some knowledge of their attitudes and thinking...But when people shine the light on Jewish criminal activity, the same whine always goes out...Facts are facts, as they say, but many people are not interested in facts...OK, a man in a cave in Afghanistan co-ordinated the whole thing.

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Oct 4, 09, 11:09 #23

Thanks for the corrections, Joe. I focussed on the security aspect by mistake which was by Kroll and not Securacom anyway.

M-G, his beloved Polish people?? He has said that they were Polish-Lithuanian Jews. To me, I'd read that as the nationality being more important and not the ethnic denomination.

Another thing, M-G, dirty money knows no boundaries. Those hijackers were CIA agents, allegedly funded by Mahmoud Ahmed through a $100,000 wiretransfer. Tell me, why wasn't this man detained in Washington DC when meeting with Porter Goss on 9/11? Randy Glass, is a sting operation, had even got the scoop that the Pakistani ISI were planning on funding this operation and bringing the towers down. MANY knew about 9/11 before it happened. I just don't buy the red herrings that the American intel agencies were throwing out. Pakistan somehow became an ally, that doesn't make sense either. The Carlyle Group couldn't blame the Saudis either. It is quite probable that the Mossad had a bigger role in order to wake America up.

You see their vested interests, M-G. They are all about business and are unscrupulous, sth Hitler saw all too well. Yes, Hitler was demonic but so is Israel for what they are doing in Palestine.

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Edited by: MareGaea Oct 4, 09, 13:02 #24

joepilsudski

Joe, there have been several investigations into the Protocols, some say Nilus wrote it, some (the first to be a German Historian in 1944) say it was Golovinski. But fact is that it's the world's most famous case of plagiarism; it conveniently confirms ALL the prejudices in existence about Jews and some parts of it can be directly traced back to Joly's "Dialogue in Hell". I think most Historians and experts agree on the fact that it is a forgery, meant only to stir up anti-semitic feelings in Russia. I just don't believe in pin-pointing just one mere group of "businessmen" with a certain ethnic background. It just reeks a bit like something else than a neutral investigation of the events that happened. If this conspiracy-theory is true, it's a nasty case and I think the ethnic background of the perpetrators shouldn't matter. It doesn't make things more nasty or less nasty when one knows that it were Jewish businessmen or Italian businessmen or Polish businessmen. That's why I jumped out of my tree.
For some info on the Protocols, see:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protocols_of_the_Elders_of_Zion

Seanus

Ok, granted. I can't say too much of the mechanisms and processes that are taking place in the background as I haven't looked into it too deeply. Should do that any day now. But I do know that there are some very dirty games being played in the background of which we never will now. The matter calls for a thourough investigation and I am sure there will be many nasty corpses coming out of closets everywhere in the world. I don't think there will ever be such an investigation during our lifetime, because should the conspiracy-theory be true I am afraid it would come to mass lynchings of responsible ppl, be they Jews, Italians, Polish or whatever. What else can you expect when a ppl find out that a small elite has decided to sacrifice 3000 ppl in order to keep a nation on its toes? To me they are criminals and should be punished, should the theory be true.

And, pls don't assume that I condone or support what Israël is doing to the Palestinians. I am against all forms of oppression, no matter what country or what ppl. I am mordicus against this and certainly don't accept what is happening to the Palestinians. Just want to make that clear.

M-G (today is the delayed shopping day - I hope)

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Oct 4, 09, 13:11 #25
You are right to say that an investigation isn't forthcoming any time soon. It's interesting that you mention Italians. Quite a few Italian-Americans are in groups such as the Carlyle Group and the Rome Club etc etc. They are ruthless sods! The shadow government will never allow Obama to get near them. Should he try, he'll quickly face assassination attempts and he knows it.

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Edited by: MareGaea Oct 4, 09, 13:23 #26

Seanus

I mentioned them because they are a huge ethnic group within the American society. Irish are also a huge ethnic group and you know how it goes: the bigger the group, the bigger the chance is that there are individuals among them that are rotten to the core. I agree with the statement about Obama. He was hailed in as the bringer of change, the liberator of oppressed classes in the US, only to find that the lobbys against him are too big and too powerful. So his hands are pretty much tied. One good thing about him though is that he, as far as I know, doesn't go with their flow like many other Presidents have done before him. Personally I think it's ridiculous that those powerhouses against him are witholding him from giving the American ppl an elementary right as fair Health Insurance. But I'm afraid that the only 2 things he will be remembered for in, say, 200 year's time is that he was the first coloured President and that he managed to indeed capture the drugbarons in South America.

M-G (it's a shame)

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Oct 4, 09, 13:30 #27

Well, don't believe everything you read either. The American press, as Americans will tell you, broadly gets behind him. The problem with the drugbarons is infinitely more complicated than what we see. Just watch any Mike Ruppert video on Youtube, he had extensive experience of dealing with them. Or Sandro Tucci.

As for 9/11, well, too much information came out too quickly and that's ironically what exposed them. How did they know so much in the days that followed, yet were woefully inept in the preceding months? They had a lot of intel but the intel agencies are full of lone wolves who try to get the big scoop for themselves. With what they had, anyone with half a brain should've been able to highlight the need for security and to expose the plot. This failure to do this really made alarm bells sound. Their timing was well off and waaaaaaaay too many slips and inconsistencies followed.

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Oct 4, 09, 13:38 #28

Seanus

Like I said, I don't know too much about the matter, so I will refrain from making any statements before I have read up on things. This is because I normally stay away from conspiracy-theories as I think they make great subjects for great movies, but should be left at just that: entertainment. However, I do admit that I think there is something more, something dirty and something gross going on in the background.

I read an article in a British magazine last Summer when I was underway to the US, describing how the Colombian government managed with the help of Obama's administration to capture one of the greatest drugbarons of the country. Forgot the name of the guy, but the article places question marks as to why previous governments were never able to capture the guy, even though they allegedly pumped just about as much money into it.

M-G (shopping!!!)

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Oct 4, 09, 13:52 #29
Mike Ruppert tells all about money laundering accounts, highly revealing! Thankfully, there appear to be fewer hawks in Obama's team. Joe Biden is a potential danger as VP. He is a Zionist who, thankfully, doesn't have such a high support level. I don't mind the Jewish lobby groups, they chip away through democratic process.

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Oct 5, 09, 02:30 #30

Seanus:

Mike Ruppert tells all about money laundering accounts, highly revealing!

Thankfully, there appear to be fewer hawks in Obama's team. Joe Biden is a potential danger as VP. He is a Zionist who, thankfully, doesn't have such a high support level. I don't mind the Jewish lobby groups, they chip away through democratic process.

Michael Ruppert's book was groundbreaking...He got a lot of things right, and he suffered major harrasment because of his research...In any case, we now have a ton of even deeper research, and most of it points to a certain state in the Middle East as being behind it (I'm not referring to Iraq)...Let me relate something interesting I heard on the short wave last week...I sometimes listen to the big mouth Alex Jones at night, because I am not married and have nothing netter to occupy myself with...Anyway, Jones come in on a certain frequency every night, but on the weekends he takes time off, and various other programs come on...

Well, whatever program it was, they were playing a section of a talk show being broadcast out of Florida...The guest was either Michael Chertoff, or Chertoff's cousin who was editor at 'Popular Mechanic' when thet did their BS piece about 911...All I heard was 'Mr.Chertoff'...The whole program was about terrorism and 911...Anyway, i caught the last 15 minutes, when Mr. Chertoff took calls...EVERY CALLER expressed extreme scepticism about the 'official' 911 story, and each one was quite articulate, reasonable...How did Chertoff respond?...He say : '911 has been thoroughly investigated by the government, and I would equate the putting forth of any conspiracy theories with holocaust denial'....End Quote.

Protocols

MareGaea:

But fact is that it's the world's most famous case of plagiarism; it conveniently confirms ALL the prejudices in existence about Jews and some parts of it can be directly traced back to Joly's "Dialogue in Hell". I think most Historians and experts agree on the fact that it is a forgery, meant only to stir up anti-semitic feelings in Russia.

I would disagree...Joly's book had nothing of the sophisticated detail of both economic, political and propaganda mechanisms as detailed in the Protocols...Now, as to who or what wrote them: You say Ohkrana?...Well, perhaps the Ohkrana had very detailed information about what was to take place in Russia involving the Bolsheviks, and their plans for the Russian people...In this case, they did the world a service...Communism is satanic in all regards, and there can be no denial at this point in history that the revolution and subsequent enslavement of the Russian people was the work of extremist Jews...Whether 'Jews' as such actually wrote the Protocols, or whether they were the details of some meeting held by 'Jewish elders' is really irrelevant...They were a warning, or a boast.

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