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Edited by: z_darius  Oct 27, 09, 04:06    #541
PlasticPole:
Read your sentence again and tell me I got it wrong

OK, I made a typo. You win :)

PlasticPole:
An alloy isn't steel, it's a cheap filler added to the steel.

Yes, it is. And I'd expect the role of alloy in steel is to improve its desired qualities, such as structural strength, resistance to abrasion, high temp etc.
So what's your point?

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Edited by: PlasticPole  Oct 27, 09, 05:57    #542
z_darius:
Yes, it is. And I'd expect the role of alloy in steel is to improve its desired qualities, such as structural strength, resistance to abrasion, high temp etc.
So what's your point?

You really believe it's all about quality and not about cutting expenses, don't you?




P-P (knows people can be cheap jerks)
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 Oct 27, 09, 14:14    #543
PP, I've hammered you in all possible ways. NIST's own admission of freefall was the clincher. The absolute absurdity of an exploding building based on minimal fire is startling. The shipping off of the steel is proof that there was a coverup.

Then again, you've only watched the denial documentary. Try watching ZERO or 20 hours worth of footage as I have. Then I may take you seriously. Quite frankly, it's like a professor teaching a weak school kid here.
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 Oct 27, 09, 14:22    #544
PlasticPole:
You really believe it's all about quality and not about cutting expenses, don't you?

I think you're loosing me here.
Of course it doesn't and I wrote about it before. Why have you chosen to pretend I didn't.
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Edited by: Seanus  Oct 27, 09, 14:26    #545
Because PP loves tactics and thwarting people. Her case is so flimsy so she resorts to all manner of underhand tactics.

She really hasn't got a leg to stand on and basic high school Physics are against her.
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 Oct 27, 09, 17:02    #546
Seanus:
She really hasn't got a leg to stand on and basic high school Physics are against her.

Would that be because her leg was blown off by nanothermites?
If you want to talk about basic high school physics, perhaps you can explain how it it possible to destroy the basement supports of a 100-storey building and for the entire building to not crash down into the basement? What held the towers up after the huge explosions in the basement you love to tell us about ? Super-strong people? Perhaps it was the same people who invented the nanothermites (so they're super-intelligent) and who planned the explosives all over the building without anybody noticing (making them super-stealthy too).
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Edited by: PlasticPole  Oct 27, 09, 17:33    #547
Yes, Seanus, think back to 1993 when Ramzi Yousef truckbombed the parking garage below one of the towers...why didn't it bring the tower down? It was an explosion in the basement, after all...
Btw, Seanus, I've told you and told you...shipping off the steel is not PROOF! It's just circumstantial evidence like everything else. Find the people who rigged the building to be demolished and show me some kind of contract signed between them and whomever has authority in the matter and I will be convinced...so would most people. Until then, you haven't got enough evidence. Sorry.
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 Oct 27, 09, 18:18    #548
Harry, you are thinking of nanites from Star Trek :) You keep going round in circles and are asking me already refuted questions. So, come again!?

I've told you again and again, PP, use your eyes. A building like that just doesn't explode, pure and simple. Shipping off the steel, i.e doing business, is wrong in the extreme.

PP, what was the white smoke seen coming out of the basement of the building on 9/11? It is pretty clear what it was IMHO.

Did you see any planes hit the building as a pretext for multiple detonations in 1993, PP?

You two are like Stadler and Waldorf, you are giving me a good laugh anyway :)
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 Oct 27, 09, 18:21    #549
Nanites will be your next explanation, Seanus. I am still waiting for you to, somehow, include them in your analysis. The US govt used NASA's advanced research into intermediate Nanite technology to somehow, magically, detonate the wtc on Sept 11, 2001. That will be your next claim.
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 Oct 27, 09, 18:24    #550
The theories I embrace are not so abstract. I've heard some classically implausible ones but I stick with the tenable and most likely ones.

Even on 9/11 itself, I was mystified that a building would just blow up like it did. Those outward expulsions were far too violent for them to be anything less than explosives.

Have you debunked Gordon Ross's presentation yet, PP?
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 Oct 27, 09, 18:27    #551
I just came back to see this thread and, maybe it's just me, but I can't see where this has anything to do with "How Polish-Lithuanian Jews Changed the World". Some of my favorite grandparents were Polish-Lithuanian Jews and I'd like to know how they changed the world.
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 Oct 27, 09, 18:29    #552
Joe explained it earlier, Yehudi. He just wanted to connect it to Poland but most of us agree that PL Jews didn't have much of a hand in it. Some Zionists likely did.
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 Oct 27, 09, 18:32    #553
Seanus:
Gordon Ross's

Isn't he that guy that used to have a talk show here? The slightly overweight dude from Australia?
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 Oct 27, 09, 20:00    #554
No, he is a thin Scotsman who did a 25-min presentation in London in 2007. He blew the official case apart. It's on Youtube should you wish to watch it. He analyses the building collapse frame-by-frame :)
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 Oct 31, 09, 20:43    #555
All this talk is a distraction: We see what the title of the thread is...The question we should be discussing is : Qui Bono from 911?...The buildings were clearly brought down by 'controlled demolition'...Anyone who has actually seen a stadium or building 'demoed' would recognize this without question...But, you understand, for some people, if it is on TV, then it must be real, and exactly what the 'talking head' tells you.
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 Oct 31, 09, 21:07    #556
There is no sense in discussing this any more, Joe. The stubborness of some people to say, ah, maybe you are right, is staggering. You'll see the same old denial and verbal diarrhoea trotted out again.

A guy I want to focus on is Hilton. That arsehole won't even risk jail time by not releasing documents which he allegedly has in his possession. So he has been gagged, so what? The point is, he can't have what he claims to have. Bush just wouldn't sign sth like that. He is giving opponents of the official theory a bad name. He had the friggin gall to brag about the $7 billion dollar lawsuit. What a prat!
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Edited by: PlasticPole  Oct 31, 09, 21:13    #557
Seanus and Joe only see what they want to see in this matter and they will not acknowledge the fact that no one has come forward to say they rigged the wtc to demolate. Bits of crucial evidence are missing yet neither of them have acknowledged it. They manipulate the facts to their conspiracy theory and ignore what they cannot explain. Sorry, guys, the facts do not support your story, so perhaps we should drop this...
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 Oct 31, 09, 21:30    #558
I will acknowledge that fact as no-one has, LOL. Bits of evidence are missing, yes. What manipulation? I've acknowledged parts of the official theory and acknowledged parts of the opponents of it.

What facts?
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Edited by: joepilsudski  Oct 31, 09, 21:36    #559
Seanus:
A guy I want to focus on is Hilton.

There are so many culprits in this, but, who is this Hilton?

PlasticPole:
Seanus and Joe only see what they want to see in this matter and they will not acknowledge the fact that no one has come forward to say they rigged the wtc to demolate. Bits of crucial evidence are missing yet neither of them have acknowledged it. They manipulate the facts to their conspiracy theory and ignore what they cannot explain. Sorry, guys, the facts do not support your story, so perhaps we should drop this...

You murder someone, get a big chunk of dough, and get away with it...Do YOU COME FORWARD?...Unless you are a Christian with a conscience, the answer is NO!...What you talk about?...This is something you learn on the playground or in grade school!...And the facts are overwhelming in this case, the only lack is a prosecution team to put everything in a package and put a bow around it...But this WILL NEVER HAPPEN...Two reasons: The culprits involved are dual Israeli-'Americans' who are in charge of all the judicial matters concerning the case in the NY district...2)...The US Government is also involved, and the Government will not prosecute itself...Why?...Because this would lead to a real revolution, just like 1776.
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 Oct 31, 09, 21:54    #560
Stanley Hilton, Joe. Never heard of him? I don't believe it. He was the guy who filed a major lawsuit to say that George W Bush actually commissioned the 9/11 attacks and that he had proof.
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 Oct 31, 09, 22:03    #561
joepilsudski:
The buildings were clearly brought down by 'controlled demolition'...Anyone who has actually seen a stadium or building 'demoed' would recognize this without question...But, you understand, for some people, if it is on TV, then it must be real, and exactly what the 'talking head' tells you.

Worth applying Occam's Razor.

Because sometimes the most obvious explanation (i.e. terrorists hujacked planes and flew them into the towers at high speed and with full fuel tabks) is the right one.

Or perhaps you think aliens did it?
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 Oct 31, 09, 22:09    #562
Jonni, please describe what you think happened in terms of structural damage from the moment of impact to the actual collapses.

You are a smart guy so please apply the laws of Physics and use time frames.

Many thanks,

Seanus
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 Nov 1, 09, 17:24    #563
Seanus:
Joe explained it earlier, Yehudi. He just wanted to connect it to Poland but most of us agree that PL Jews didn't have much of a hand in it. Some Zionists likely did.

There you go again. Instead of blaming things on "The Jews" you blame it on "The Zionists" and you think that makes you sound more politically correct. You're no better than Joke Pilsudski.
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 Nov 1, 09, 17:33    #564
If Piłsudski did indeed try to avert WWII through a preventive war that would have lasted only a year tops, then why is he a joke?

Are the Jewish Rabbis the same as the Zionists? Maybe I should show you those videos of Zionists beating Rabbis again!!? Would Zionists go and meet Ahmedinejad in Tehran like prominent Rabbis did? What would Rabbis prefer, Yehudi, to be beaten by mad Zionists or accept rights and priveleges in Iran?

I said "likely did". I can't indict or blame based on some likelihoods and DON'T blame outright for what they might or might not have done.

Read back earlier in the thread, Yehudi. Please get the full picture first before getting all defensive.
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 Nov 2, 09, 12:49    #565
Seanus:
If Piłsudski did indeed try to avert WWII through a preventive war

Calm down boy.
I wasn't referring to the Polish statesman Pilsudski, who was apparently a wonderful guy. I was referring to the demented participant on this forum who calls himself joe pilsudski.

About the rabbis: There are many rabbis all over the world with lots of different idealogical approaches. They are not of one cloth. Most rabbis are zionist in that they support the whole idea of building the jewish homeland and jewish independence (which is what zionism is about). There are some who believe that we should wait for the messiah before we do that and not tamper with history. But the overwhelming majority of even those rabbis are horrified by the handful of oddballs that meet Ahmedinejad. They have no significance at all.

To say that Zionists "likely" were involved in 9 11 is no different than saying they "likely" have horns and eat christian babies. It's all bullsh*t and you know it.
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Edited by: Sokrates  Nov 2, 09, 13:59    #566
Seanus:
If Piłsudski did indeed try to avert WWII through a preventive war that would have lasted only a year tops, then why is he a joke?

According to Germans it would have lasted 2 months top, before the Poles would take over Berlin, with French participation the war was supposed to last less then two weeks.

(and that can be proven as Germans were making plans to delay the Polish offensive they fully expected to come sometime in 1933).
yehudi:
Instead of blaming things on "The Jews" you blame it on "The Zionists"

Jews=Zionists, there's no Belgian zionists, Polish zionists, there's Jewish zionists so you're indeed right Sean should use the word Jews.

yehudi:
To say that Zionists "likely" were involved in 9 11 is no different than saying they "likely" have horns and eat christian babies. It's all bullsh*t and you know it.

How does he know it? When in Poland Jews murdered Poles, when in Palestine they murder Palestinians, your people have proven there are few ethical or moral boundaries they would not cross.

In fact You are proving my point with your racist approach, you actively deny Jewish crimes on Poles and Jewish betreyal of Poland even though both are proven historically and in this very thread.
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 Nov 2, 09, 16:43    #567
yehudi:
I wasn't referring to the Polish statesman Pilsudski, who was apparently a wonderful guy. I was referring to the demented participant on this forum who calls himself joe pilsudski.


Yehudi, your name, in both the Hebrew and the Arabic is translated as 'praise to God' or 'guided by His Spirit'...I would advise reading the prophet Isaiah, where God say 'Come, let us reason together'...This thread is about reason and reasons for events...Let us not engage in gratuitous diatribes and insults.
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 Nov 2, 09, 17:00    #568
Exactly! I can safely tell Joe that there is a lot of unweaving to be done but that a case can be made against select individuals.
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Edited by: MareGaea  Nov 5, 09, 00:19    #569
There is a lot of unweaving to be done indeed. However, what I missed in this discussion is that the attacks might be a payback to America for years and years of American arrogant imperialistic behaviour in the Middle East? For years they have seen their cities bombed, their children killed and civilation wiped out by the Americans. Let's not forget that the Americans have done that for decades in that area of the world. Or doesn't that count? Aren't Arabs ppl too? Is the grief an Arab mother feels when her child gets killed by an American bomb less than an American mother who lost a son in 9/11? Did America really expect they would get away with that? Sooner or later something like 9/11 had to happen. And it's a sad fact that it did with nearly 3000 ppl killed. However, if you take the death toll in the Middle East due to American actions, I guess the number is somewhat higher. And that's without Afghanistan and Irak.
Nice discussion, Seanus, but I did miss this aspect in it. Above are just some questions that were not answered in the thread.

>^..^<

M-G (has been reading up a little on the topic)
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 Nov 5, 09, 00:30    #570
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRfhUezbKLw, the Dancing Israelis. "We were there to document the event", odd! There is a point about false gods that you will like, M-G.

There was another interview I remember watching about Israelis being happy as now Americans know what terrorism feels like. They said as much.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Of4xsYl6Urs&feature=related, what is being said here, M-G? I can't follow it at all. Is it anything to do with Zionists being involved or is it sth that the conspiracy nuts have pounced on with a vague reference to nothing?

We have to stick with the facts, not accounts. Too many people have profitted from 9/11 and that's so inhumane and wrong.


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