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Edited by: scrappleton  Oct 5, 09, 02:55    #31
MareGaea:
But I'm afraid that the only 2 things he will be remembered for in, say, 200 year's time is that he was the first coloured President and that he managed to indeed capture the drugbarons in South America.

M-G (it's a shame)

Why do you feel that's a "shame". It's not his job to do all these grand things. This is typical of Europeans. Often hating America in one breath and admonishing it in the other for not "doing" more. Obama's job is two fold : a.) Get the American economy rolling again. b.) Prevent another terrorist attack. That's it.. not world superman to pounce on any dastardly bastard hiding out in a jungle somewhere.. not broker talks for Israel, not provide missiles in Poland.. it's also not his job to worry about drug barons in S. America.

What's more, it wasn't Roosevelt's job to SAVE Central , Eastern Europe.. Roosevelt was a president in a N. American country. Many, and I mean many of his countrymen did not want to die for Europeans in the 1st place. He did what he could do. Putting blame on him for not doing for you what you should have been doing for your damn selves is beyond belief stupid.

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Edited by: MareGaea  Oct 5, 09, 12:16    #32
joepilsudski:
I would disagree...Joly's book had nothing of the sophisticated detail of both economic, political and propaganda mechanisms as detailed in the Protocols...Now, as to who or what wrote them: You say Ohkrana?...Well, perhaps the Ohkrana had very detailed information about what was to take place in Russia involving the Bolsheviks, and their plans for the Russian people...In this case, they did the world a service...Communism is satanic in all regards, and there can be no denial at this point in history that the revolution and subsequent enslavement of the Russian people was the work of extremist Jews...Whether 'Jews' as such actually wrote the Protocols, or whether they were the details of some meeting held by 'Jewish elders' is really irrelevant...They were a warning, or a boast.

I have some simple questions for you. Will it ever stop, this accusing the Jews of wanting to seek world domination? Will it ever be that at one point in time nobody in the entire world won't see an evil plot, schemed of course by the Jews? Haven't 2000 years of proscecuting, hunting down, killing, blackening, accusing and mistreatment been enough? Doesn't it get boring for you guys to constantly see things that are not there? In short: when will it be over? When all the Jews are dead and gone? Or will ppl like you look for other scapegoats? Can't you just simply stop with these views that are not of this age anymore? I'm asking this because every post you do, every scientific research you do, etc, all has the same outcome: the Jews are bad. Only difference is that you don't go out in the street and beat them up or worse (at least I hope you don't), but the goal is the same, only the means are different.

To address your remarks: it is widely agreed that the Protocols are a forgery, probably produced by Nilus or Golovinski and it was intended to give the rabiate anti-semitism present as ever in Russian society a semi-intellectual basis. There was no proof that Jews were evil and had evil schemes for the world, so they simply produced it themselves. It makes the most sense.

As for Jewish participation in the Communist revolution/communism in general: sure, there were Jews participating in these events, but they were certainly not the majority. The majority were Russians. So, one could say that Bolshevik rule and oppression wasn't Jewish, but Slavic and specifically Russian in its very nature. But it's easier to blame it all on the Jews, because, after all, you don't have to blame yourself if you can conveniently blame some other group. Having said this: anti-semitism is basically nothing else than blaming the other group (in this case the Jews) for your own failures and incapabilities of getting things organized. Jews in the diverse societies where they were a part of, were restricted in many ways. In fact, only a few things they were allowed to do (from a religious point of view): trading in money, valuables and educating themselves. So they did. And they were smarter than you guys on these fields of trade. So naturally they became richer and more clever. Trading with money tends to make you richer, at least if you do it well. Educating yourself all the time will make you smarter. Jews were good enough to borrow money from and it's saillant to see that whenever it was time to pay back the debts, some rumour reared its ugly head. Usually some nonsense that somebody saw Jews drink the blood of Christian babies or killing innocent Christians. These rumours of course were readily believed by the ppl in debt with the Jews as it would mean the opportunity to kill your creditors, hence not having to pay them back. And what is easier than just killing your creditors? You don't have to pay them back in that case. Oh, Jews were blamed for all kind of nonsense like the failure of crops or harvests, bad weather, crises and so on. While in fact they were just as hard-hit by these events like anybody else. Only they had the extra feature of besides being in misery because of the failure of the harvest, they also just had to wait before being blamed for this and eventually having to fear for their life.

In short, anti-semitism is just a way of blaming others for your own failures and incapabilities to get things organized. And since the Russians cannot organize anything decent themselves, they just blamed the Jews, who were conveniently at hand and different, for their own impotence. I'm mentioning Russians prominently because anti-semitism was born in Russia. But this description of anti-semitism goes for all countries where it ocurred.

scrappleton:
Why do you feel that's a "shame".

I don't deny that these two things are not grand or something, I just think it's a pity that the very first coloured President with all the promises this holds, cannot be able to keep his promised. Or better: is barred from keeping all his promises. And that is a shame.


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 Oct 5, 09, 15:13    #33
Chertoff is a bad egg for sure. It's really hard to prove any involvement beyond reasonable doubt, Joe, as 9/11 research is characterised by being deflected by red herrings. I think most Jewish-Israeli officials covered their tracks fairly well. As for the Mossad, well, Robert Maxwell is a prime example of what happens to those who cross them or mess them around. Those arrests and detentions by the US govt were just token gestures that sth was being done. So far Joe, I have seen you outline the vested interests of megalomaniacs with connections to Israel but I haven't seen concrete, incontrovertible evidence. Allegations can always be refuted.

I have another picture which involves Arabs as terrorists but sponsored terrorists. They knew of Atta's intentions and, despite the lies of Condo Rice, Bushie and Richard Myers, didn't need to envisage planes flying in as intel from around the world had even warned them that that was a very real possibility. It was spelled out for them. It will shock you just how much there is on this point. Go to 911truth.org and prepare to be astounded!

We see just how stupid 9/11 made people look, those that believe the official story. Steel being pulverised in seconds and dropping at free-fall speed after burning for only 1.5hrs. The Madrid fire engulfed the whole skyscraper (high-rise) for 20 hours and the steel remained intact. Does different steel have such radically different properties? If so, how can there be a standard and generally-accepted melting point? Plus, as Stephen Jones said, only a few floors were affected and the fire quickly turned to black smoke. New research has been done by Prof Niels Harrit (Danish guy) in a seminal work on thermite. Here, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDu8HFn5weE. It was 2 years in the making, that paper he wrote. It was released in Apr 2009 I think. He has done numerous interviews on this. Look also at Richard Gage, an architect for 911truth with a wealth of experience (20 years).

I'm not gonna say more as I've posted screeds upon screeds of incriminating evidence elsewhere. Indubitable evidence!
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Edited by: joepilsudski  Oct 5, 09, 16:10    #34
MareGaea:
As for Jewish participation in the Communist revolution/communism in general: sure, there were Jews participating in these events, but they were certainly not the majority. The majority were Russians. So, one could say that Bolshevik rule and oppression wasn't Jewish, but Slavic and specifically Russian in its very nature. But it's easier to blame it all on the Jews, because, after all, you don't have to blame yourself if you can conveniently blame some other group. Having said this: anti-semitism is basically nothing else than blaming the other group (in this case the Jews) for your own failures and incapabilities of getting things organized. Jews in the diverse societies where they were a part of, were restricted in many ways. In fact, only a few things they were allowed to do (from a religious point of view): trading in money, valuables and educating themselves. So they did. And they were smarter than you guys on these fields of trade. So naturally they became richer and more clever. Trading with money tends to make you richer, at least if you do it well. Educating yourself all the time will make you smarter. Jews were good enough to borrow money from and it's saillant to see that whenever it was time to pay back the debts, some rumour reared its ugly head. Usually some nonsense that somebody saw Jews drink the blood of Christian babies or killing innocent Christians

Communism = Jewish start to finish...Lenin, Trotzky, Zinovive, Kaganavich all Jewsih...90% of the leadership: Jewish...Even Stalin, half-Jewish ('Mountain Jew' from Georgia) w/Jewish wife...Felix Dzershinsky, supposedly 'Polish' head of GPU/Cheka?...Real name was Rutin...The list is endless...Even Winston Churchill (whose mother was Jewish: Jenny Jerome/Abrahmson) remarked in the 30s that Bolshevism was dominated by Jews...This comment later was pushed to the side...Financing?...Jewish: Rothschild through his US agent Yacub Schiff and Swedish Jew Moses Asch...Their money financed the 1905 attempt at revolution also...The Romanov family...Murdered by Jews, on order from Lenin...The White Sea canal slave labor project?...Directed by Boris Berman, Khazar slave master...Ukranian famine/Holodomor: Carried out by Lazar Kaganovich, Khazar...But all we hear is 'Holocaust'...Why?...Because Khazars make no money or gain no power from having there crimes exposed...Hollywood doesn't want to make Holodomor movies...They make 'The Great Escape' or 'Inglorious Basterds'...No 'Katyn Slaughterhouse'...No 'White Canal: Hell Freezes Over'...Khazars vowed revenge on Slavs from the Chmielnicki Rebellion on...Obama administration: Run by Khazars (Obama run by Rahm Emmanue)...All fact...And on and on...When will people 'stop blaming Khazars'?...When they give up ideas for domination...Simple...Why not have a host of Polish and Irish advisors aroud Obama?...Are they to stupid or uneducated?...They didn't 'apply for jobs'?...No, but their religion and world view does not encourage them to push constantly for power and money...One thing you say is correct: People follow Jews because they make money 911 is only the logical next step in this continuum....And all of this activity is properly called 'Illuminist', the philosophy of which is 'The end justifies the means, and the drive/will to power is the only law'.

But please: There are numerous threads about Communism here...The topic is Polish-Lithuanian Jews and September 11 2001.
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 Oct 5, 09, 16:30    #35
Well Joe, can you present a court-case type scenario against one individual with concrete incriminating evidence? Tenuous correlations don't cut the mustard in court. The Jews cunningly made themselves discreet and did many things behind-the-scenes. Without the requisite proof, we can't slap the guilty label on them.

So, I am ignoring all the other stuff that I've posted on other 9/11 threads and attempting to zero-in on the case against the Jews to see what merit it has. Please put forward specific information and I'll see if it squares with that I have read. I mean info of the type that implicates.
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 Oct 5, 09, 16:49    #36
joepilsudski

Joe, I could say a million things, but fact remains that it's ppl like you who "claim" to know the "truth" about Jews that indirectly cause Pogroms, Holocaust and general violence against Jews. I think you are about to disqualify yourself as a credible debate-partner.

But to respond to your post:

Lenin was not a Jew. His mother was Lutheranian and his father a Russian aristocrat; this disqualifies him as being a Jew. Zinovive (I take it you mean Zinovi Pechkoff) was Jewish, but was considered a traitor because he fought in the White Army during the Russian Civil War and besides, he was French anyway. Kaganavich (I take it you mean Pinchas Kahanowitsch) was a Jew and a writer, he had nothing to do as such with the Bolshevik revolution. He died in a gulag, for your information. Trotzki was indeed a Jew. But he got killed by Stalin in 1940 as enemy. Leaves only Stalin, whos only connection to the Jewish was David Papismedow, a Jewish client of his mother who gave Stalin as a child the means to study. So, a few of the names you mention were not part of the leading Soviets and of the leading Soviets only Trotzki was Jew. The part of Felix Dzershinsky (correct name: Felix Edmundowitsch Dserschinski) is completely made up as he was the son of a teacher, Edmund Dzierzyński who in turn descended from Polish nobility. So where you got that name "Rutin" from is a complete mystery to me. Guess it's part of the usual anti-semitic strategies, when they have no "proof", they simply make it up. As for Churchill's mother, it is more likely that she descended from American natives than from Jews. I could go on, but I am sure I can rebuke all your allegations about Jews, but I just don't feel like it anymore, because, like I said in my previous post, everything you write and "research" will have the same outcome. And that is pretty tiresome.

And Obama will want to have the best advisors around him and if they happen to be Jews, then so be it. Polish are not as superb as you may think they are, so maybe there aren't any decent Polish or Irish advisors around at this point in time. Nothing to do with religion, Joe. And the POOR Romanov family...Poor for exploiting the Russian ppl for decades and even centuries...

And why do Jews make money? Because they were never allowed by the "good ppl" (who were too stupid to do so themselves) to do anything else. The only thing they were allowed to do as everything else was taken from them by the "good ppl" now is and always has been yet another reason to proscecute them over and over again. And it's guys like you, Joe that are indirectly responsible for that. Maybe bold to say so, but it's true.

The "good ppl" who are so honest and truthful, borrowed money from the Jews and when it was payback time, they killed the Jews, so they didn't have to pay back. That is what the "good ppl" did and now they are doing the same, only they don't kill them this time, because it wouldn't look so good. Instead they try other ways of bringing the Jews down over and over again. Nothing has changed, ppl are still retarded and still try to blame the Jews for their own incompetencies.

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 Oct 5, 09, 17:19    #37
This has very little to do with 9/11. I don't see Polish-Lithuanian names either but only Russian and French ones.

So, where's the proof?
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 Oct 5, 09, 17:23    #38
Are you referring to my post or to Joe's post, Seanus?

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 Oct 5, 09, 17:26    #39
To both but I want Joe to present the case in a legalistic way, not with soundbites and maybes. If you accuse/indict sb, you have to have done your homework. Joe needs to point to clearer evidence of involvement to stimulate this discussion.
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 Oct 5, 09, 17:32    #40
I agree to that. However, like I stated earlier, I haven't looked into the matter too deeply yet. As soon as I have done so, I will put statements concerning 9/11 here. For now I'm just reacting to the obvious teneur in his posts. And in his last one he definitively posted some inaccurate things. Just wanted to put that straight. Furthermore, I just don't like blaming one particular group in society. It's a complex web of interests, connections, etc. There are always more individuals involved. Not just individuals of one certain ethnicity.

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Edited by: joepilsudski  Oct 5, 09, 18:01    #41
Seanus:
Chertoff is a bad egg for sure. It's really hard to prove any involvement beyond reasonable doubt, Joe, as 9/11 research is characterised by being deflected by red herrings. I think most Jewish-Israeli officials covered their tracks fairly well. As for the Mossad, well, Robert Maxwell is a prime example of what happens to those who cross them or mess them around. Those arrests and detentions by the US govt were just token gestures that sth was being done. So far Joe, I have seen you outline the vested interests of megalomaniacs with connections to Israel but I haven't seen concrete, incontrovertible evidence. Allegations can always be refuted.

Seanus, all the hard evidence was destroyed, at the WTC by the demolition blast, and by the removal of the evidence under the direction of Rudi Guiliani and FEMA...However there are bits and pieces of the remaining steel, and traces of themate, as confirmed by both Bollyn and Professor Steven Jones, have been discovered...There was also the detection of low level radiation at Ground Zero, and the ensuing cancers and related diseases of the 'first responders', indicating possible nuclear or radioctive material.

In the US, a mass of 'circumstantial' evidence is enough to get a Grand Jury to hand down an indictment...You don't neccesarily need a 'smoking gun' although I am sure that if enough pressure were applied to possible suspects, one could be obtained...What 'smoking gun' would link Osama Ben Laden with the event...Absolutely none.

And yes...Accusations can be refuted...'Figures can lie, and liars figure'...But, there has never been an open investigation...Henry Kissinger was Bush's first choice to head the '911 Commission' but Kissinger was too smart to go for that....I also like the Robert Maxwell point.

MareGaea:
Lenin was not a Jew. His mother was Lutheranian and his father a Russian aristocrat; this disqualifies him as being a Jew. Zinovive (I take it you mean Zinovi Pechkoff) was Jewish, but was considered a traitor because he fought in the White Army during the Russian Civil War and besides, he was French anyway. Kaganavich (I take it you mean Pinchas Kahanowitsch) was a Jew and a writer, he had nothing to do as such with the Bolshevik revolution. He died in a gulag, for your information. Trotzki was indeed a Jew. But he got killed by Stalin in 1940 as enemy. Leaves only Stalin, whos only connection to the Jewish was David Papismedow, a Jewish client of his mother who gave Stalin as a child the means to study. So, a few of the names you mention were not part of the leading Soviets and of the leading Soviets only Trotzki was Jew. The part of Felix Dzershinsky (correct name: Felix Edmundowitsch Dserschinski) is completely made up as he was the son of a teacher, Edmund Dzierzyński who in turn descended from Polish nobility. So where you got that name "Rutin" from is a complete mystery to me. Guess it's part of the usual anti-semitic strategies, when they have no "proof", they simply make it up. As for Churchill's mother, it is more likely that she descended from American natives than from Jews. I could go on, but I am sure I can rebuke all your allegations about Jews, but I just don't feel like it anymore, because, like I said in my previous post, everything you write and "research" will have the same outcome. And that is pretty tiresome.

And Obama will want to have the best advisors around him and if they happen to be Jews, then so be it. Polish are not as superb as you may think they are, so maybe there aren't any decent Polish or Irish advisors around at this point in time. Nothing to do with religion, Joe. And the POOR Romanov family...Poor for exploiting the Russian ppl for decades and even centuries...


All the above were Jews, including Lenin (mother's name Blank/Blanc)...Possibly father's family, too...His younger sister said that he was 'proud to come from a poor Jewish family', plus he spoke Yiddish...Beyond anything else, Lenin was a psychopath...When I have time I will publish a list (I actually already did, but the list was censored by the moderators on a different thread about Communism)...You approve of the murders of the Romanovs, and the throwing of their bodies in a mine shaft?...You are getting more and more curious...As to no Irish or Poles being around, please, can we be real here?...Only Jews have the ability to run the FED, advise the president or make policy?...This is a racist assumption...
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Edited by: MareGaea  Oct 5, 09, 19:45    #42
joepilsudski:
This is a racist assumption

THAT is a really funny remark, coming from you. So if I get this right, you may accuse Jews from all things evil and once somebody suggests that there might be no others available, it's racism? Funny, very funny.

Plus, I didn't say that only Jews were capable, I just said that maybe there weren't any suitable Irish and Poles available or other Americans? Because, lets not forget what they really are, Americans.

http://news.nationaljournal.com/articles/080331nj1.htm

This is an article that deals about Obama's advisers. Sifting through this, I don't see many Jewish names appear, do you?

Just a quote about Lenin's mother, from Wikipedia:

Ulyanova was one of six children. Her father was Alexandr Blank (born Israel Blank), a well-to-do physician who was a Jewish convert to Orthodox Christianity. Her mother, Anna Ivanovna Groschopf, was the daughter of a German father, Johann Groschopf, and a Swedish mother, Anna Estedt.

So, first of all, Lenin's grandfather from his mother's side was a to Christianity converted former Jew and since the Jewish religion is decided through maternal lines, even if he would've remained with the Jewish faith, strictly speaking, she is not a Jew.

I don't approve of murder at all, so neither do I condone the murder of the Czarists family. But to say that they have been good for the country is just plain wrong. They exploited the ppl as long as they could. Just because communism seemed worse, it tends to be forgotten what b*stard the Czar de facto was.


I'm curious about that list you mention.

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 Oct 5, 09, 20:39    #43
Joe, everyone saw the potential for an open enquiry until Zelikow stepped forward. There were so many stories from the Dixie Sisters and others subjected to radiation etc etc. However, the questions were overly selective and they didn't follow through on so many things. The Mineta (Polish for cunnilingus, LOL) testimony was revealing.

However, I'm still waiting for evidence that would stand up in an impartial court of law. I'm not sure as to the admissibility of documentary evidence in the US. For example, ZERO is a well-researched documentary done by a group of Italians. It's analysis of the Pentagon situation shows unequivocally how there was a cover up. I could go on and on as to how but I won't. Let's just say impossible maneuver and impossible camera stories.

Joe, do you mean to indict Szymon Peres as he is of Polish stock? I don't see direct enough connections yet.
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Edited by: joepilsudski  Oct 5, 09, 22:30    #44
MareGaea:
Ulyanova was one of six children. Her father was Alexandr Blank (born Israel Blank), a well-to-do physician who was a Jewish convert to Orthodox Christianity. Her mother, Anna Ivanovna Groschopf, was the daughter of a German father, Johann Groschopf, and a Swedish mother, Anna Estedt.

So, first of all, Lenin's grandfather from his mother's side was a to Christianity converted former Jew and since the Jewish religion is decided through maternal lines, even if he would've remained with the Jewish faith, strictly speaking, she is not a Jew.

I don't approve of murder at all, so neither do I condone the murder of the Czarists family. But to say that they have been good for the country is just plain wrong. They exploited the ppl as long as they could. Just because communism seemed worse, it tends to be forgotten what b*stard the Czar de facto was.


I'm curious about that list you mention.

Good, you are actually researching a bit...According to Israeli law, if your mother is Jewish, you are a Jew...There are questions about 'Groschopf'...German names can be difficult to pin down, whether Ashkenazic or German.

But you need to go farther than WikiPedia, Zionist run and edited...I was informed by another poster on a US forum that all use of the word 'Jew' or 'Jewish' has been deleted from anything referencing 911...I don't know if this is true or not, but I do know that any edits critical of or stating certain 'inconvenient' facts about the Khazars will be deleted from WikiPedia within 24-48 hours...

The Czar a bastard?...Well, this is a whole 'nother topic, the Romanov family...They were of German decent originally...Anyway, an idea for you: A thread about the Romanovs, although the moderators may delete it unless some reference to Poland is in there.

The list was on another thread about Communism...I think it was 'Communism: Good or Bad for Poland' (but it may have been another...It wasn't my thread...But I will at least link you to some lists when I get a moment...Thank you for you comments.

Seanus:
However, I'm still waiting for evidence that would stand up in an impartial court of law. I'm not sure as to the admissibility of documentary evidence in the US. For example, ZERO is a well-researched documentary done by a group of Italians. It's analysis of the Pentagon situation shows unequivocally how there was a cover up. I could go on and on as to how but I won't. Let's just say impossible maneuver and impossible camera stories.

Joe, do you mean to indict Szymon Peres as he is of Polish stock? I don't see direct enough connections yet


You got to get an indictment before you go to a jury...There, IMHO, is plenty of evidence to warrant an indictment...

Peres is the 'chief elder' of the Israeli politicos/establishment...'Top Gun'...I put the 'Polish-Lithuanian' bit in the title to get a 911 thread past the moderators...But, I am sure they too are curious about this whole affair...Peres is Khazar, identifies as Khazar, not a Pole...He was just born in the 'federation'.
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 Oct 5, 09, 22:47    #45
I still see no clear evidence against Messrs Olmert, Peres, Sharon, Barak and Netanyahu, Joe. It may have suited their agenda but were they really the perpetrators?
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Edited by: MareGaea  Oct 5, 09, 22:51    #46
joepilsudski:
if your mother is Jewish, you are a Jew

I know. My mom is Jewish. And she's a good mom. She never talks about world domination. German Jewish names (ad random): Rathenau, Goldstein, Einstein, Goldstich among others. But Groschopf is not a Jewish name, I'm quite certain of that. Also, following the maternity line, her mom was Swedish and Estedt is for certain not a Jewish name. Besides being a maternal Jew (not practicing - I'm not religious), I'm also a Historian, I am familiar with doing research. Above all, I'm Dutch. Just so you know. I didn't take anybody's job, work hard, never stole a thing in my life and am not really good with money. So I'm not your typical Jew then. Must be the Dutch half of me or something :) Oh, before you ask: I descent from Sefardic Jews, so my anchestors came from Portugal and came via France to the Netherlands.

joepilsudski:
Zionist run and edited

Everybody can edit Wikipedia, and not the whole world is Zionist.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khazars

They're basically Turks that have converted to Judaism. When their empire got destroyed, they fled into Hungary and from there scattered all over Eastern Europe, where they mingled with the Jews already present. Let me ask you a question: why do you hate the Jews and the Khazars so much? What have they done to you? Just curious.

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Edited by: joepilsudski  Oct 6, 09, 00:16    #47
MareGaea:
I know. My mom is Jewish. And she's a good mom.


I'm sure she's the best...My mom is Polack, and she's a stubborn old bird, but I love her...I have had two Jewish wives...Loved them both, both special people...I am talking here about Jewish gangsters...Just like Pole gangsters, Irish gangsters, gangsters in Washington DC, London, Paris, Moscow...Big mafia family with factions...If we can talk Al Capone, why not Shimon Peres?...Anyway, Poles and Jews have a love/hate relationship...But it makes for a spirited discussion.
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 Oct 6, 09, 00:17    #48
OK, Shimon Peres. What do you have on him, Joe?
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 Oct 6, 09, 00:18    #49
Seanus:
OK, Shimon Peres. What do you have on him, Joe?


I'm leaving work, so I will answer later.
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 Oct 6, 09, 00:25    #50
OK, no problem. I'll have a look tomorrow morning, buddy :)
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 Oct 6, 09, 09:10    #51
joepilsudski

Ok, granted. I have no problem with a demasqué of Jewish gangsters as I am sure there are many. Gangsters in general always are trouble anyway. I just don't want to have it pinpointed on the fact that they are Jewish as most Jews, just like any other ppl in this world are good and decent ppl who have never done anything wrong in their lives. If you pinpoint the Jews in general, then that would mean my mom too and my mom is the most honest person in the world. She is even so honest that when she accidentally gets a little too much change in a shop and she finds out at home, she is capable of going back to that shop to return the amount she has received too much. So, and I am sure you're aware of that, not every Jew is dishonest or tries to scr*w things up. Just like not every Pole is honest and victimized nor every Irish is a drunkard and lazy, etc. You catch my drift.

Now, let's see what you have on the Zionist's conspiracy of 9/11.

And indeed, I would like to see you post some time something about non-Jewish criminals/gangsters. As there are plenty of those as well.

M-G (live and let live)
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 Oct 6, 09, 14:18    #52
Seanus:
OK, Shimon Peres. What do you have on him, Joe?

All I have is what is generally known in the West...He is the 'grey eminence' in Israeli affairs, involved in everything...Usually keeps a reasonable tongue in his head, except for his famous 'We buy up Hungary, Poland, Romania & Manhattan' speech where he bragged about Jewish financial success...Said '...we operate more like a corporation, something like Bill Gates' words to that effect...Did he personally give the orders for the attack?...I have no way of knowing unless I could question him directly, like a detective...IMHO, there was most likely a group of Israeli/Mossad/ShinBet leaders who gave the OK...This in Israel...In the US, Dov Zakheim was the 'point man'...Zakheim's parents were from the Polish-Lithuanian federation also...
Anyway, you want evidence that will stand up in cort against Peres?...Hey, I have a photograph of Barrack Obama making love with a man, and in on the table in the corner, there is a folder that says 'Daily Security Briefing: POTUS'...Should I take this picture to the FBI as a loyal American with proof that the President is a security risk?


Some Views on Peres: From 'moderate' Jewish source. Wikipedia, and from a more radical source that accuses peres on involvement in the Rabin assassination:

Often, Peres acts as the informal "spokesman" of Israel (even when he is in the opposition) since he earned high prestige and respect among the international public opinion and diplomatic circles. Peres advocates Israel's security policy (military counter terror operations and the Israeli West Bank barrier) against international criticism and de-legitimation efforts from pro-Palestinian circles.

Peres' foreign policy outlook is markedly realist. For example, to placate Turkey, a Muslim country in the region with a history of being friendly towards Israel, Peres is reported to have explicitly denied the Armenian genocide. Calling Armenian allegations of genocide "meaningless," Peres further stated, "We reject attempts to create a similarity between the Holocaust and the Armenian allegations. Nothing similar to the Holocaust occurred. It is a tragedy what the Armenians went through but not a genocide. The Israeli Foreign Ministry, in addressing the controversy these remarks had created, later suggested that Peres had been misquoted, and that he "absolutely did not say, as the Turkish news agency alleged, 'What the Armenians underwent was a tragedy, not a genocide.'

On the issue of the nuclear program of Iran and the existential threat this poses for Israel, Peres stated, "I am not in favor of a military attack on Iran, but we must quickly and decisively establish a strong, aggressive coalition of nations that will impose painful economic sanctions on Iran." He added, "Iran's efforts to achieve nuclear weapons should keep the entire world from sleeping soundly." In the same speech, Peres compared Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and his call to "wipe Israel off the map" (Ahmadinejad never said this) to the genocidal threats to European Jewry made by Adolf Hitler in the years prior to the Holocaust.[27] In an interview with Army Radio on 8 May 2006 he remarked that "the president of Iran should remember that Iran can also be wiped off the map".


Google cache:

http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:DACgdWOPKLEJ:www.geocities.com/Cap itolHill/4952/conspiracy.htm+shimon+peres+and+the+rabin+assassination& cd=5&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

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 Oct 6, 09, 17:25    #53
I'm still not convinced ;)
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Edited by: joepilsudski  Oct 6, 09, 23:50    #54
MareGaea:
And indeed, I would like to see you post some time something about non-Jewish criminals/gangsters. As there are plenty of those as well.

Listen, maybe you haven't been on PL too long...I could post tons of stuff about American crime, or other such stuff, but the way the forum is set up, everything you post must relate to Poland some how...Especially in 'Politics & History' which get the biggest response...Jews are big gangsters, pioneering in this regard, and most of the Jewish mafia come from Poland/Lithuania/Belarus/Ukraine originally...I personally feel there should be some kind of thread on here for International and American news, since the site is hosted in the US, and many Polish-Americans post here....I would post about Polish gangsters, but I can find no news about them...They probably don't make much money....And listen, I had a long thread called 'Just Ask Joe: Advice About Everything', like 'Dear Abby',which was quite popular and funny, but it was moved to 'Random Chat' where it disappears.

Seanus:
I'm still not convinced ;)

I based the thread on the Chris Bollyn article....I especially liked the picture of the '3 Israeli Hombres'...His premise is that the higher ranking members of the Israeli 'ruling elite' were quite aware of what was going on, even if they weren't 'hands on' as they say...No PM or President actually blows up a building themselves; they have people to do that for them.
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Edited by: Seanus  Oct 11, 09, 01:21    #55
I guess Ludvic Zamenhof, as a Polish-Lithuanian Jew, came back from the dead and talked to those secret societies in Esperanto so as not to arouse suspicion ;)

He hatched it all, right? :) A fitting irony that an oculist saw it all ;) ;)

Come on Joe, the evidence is flimsy so far.
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 Oct 11, 09, 03:46    #56
Seanus, was that before or after they drank the blood of a decent Christian baby?

:)))

>^..^<

M-G (feeling good, actually)
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 Oct 11, 09, 03:51    #57
yeah there is a lot of talk about complicity in USA too. Who the real culprits are as individuals I am not sure.

However, here is absolutely no way those planes would have hit the towers without NORAD standing down. And NORAD was given orders to stand down that morning by the vice prez Cheney from what I understand so far.

This is well documented by military people who worked in the whitehouse, pentagon and airforce.
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 Oct 11, 09, 11:53    #58
cheehaw:
those planes would have hit the towers without NORAD standing down.

Seems that even with NORAD those Jewish bombers would have reached and hit the towers:

Why couldn't ATC find the hijacked flights? When the hijackers turned off the planes' transponders, which broadcast identifying signals, ATC had to search 4500 identical radar blips crisscrossing some of the country's busiest air corridors. And NORAD's sophisticated radar? It ringed the continent, looking outward for threats, not inward. "It was like a doughnut," Martin says. "There was no coverage in the middle." Pre-9/11, flights originating in the States were not seen as threats and NORAD wasn't prepared to track them.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html?p age=3
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 Oct 12, 09, 05:56    #59
umm.. I don't know.. there are differing opinions on that. Some video I saw a while back claimed, and if I remember they had proof because it was on tape, that the us military had the planes on radar before they hit, including the pentagon, and still Cheney insisted NORAD stand down. If I run into that again I will post it for you.

I did ruin into these 2 short little gems at a news site earlier this evening

wntube.net/play.php?vid=5607

wntube.net/play.php?vid=4084

I will tell ya something quite honestly.. my head is spinning from all the stuff i have run into the past year, 911 is a huge can of worms for the ptb. That one event has really gotten people to start taking a good hard look at things.. because so much of it really does not make sense, it's been 8 years now, it's taken some time.. but it is happening.

I actually went over to prisonplanet dot tv a few months ago and dowloaded their entire portfolio, gave me a stunning headache for about a week. heh. Right now, I am in shock about the Jewish connections I keep running into, honestly I really had no idea this time last year.. and I keep following this stuff, checking this checking that.. and I keep ending up in that same place. I don't want to end up there, it just keeps happening no matter which direction I start from. I've been reading Russian stuff here and there of late, and I get the same opinion being proffered up from that direction. The biggest problem I've got with it is simply ethical, aside from finger pointing, be it from muslims, from serbs, from americans, from whomever.

I have to check more into the jewish perspective maybe. I am just looking at all of this, personal research, no bias. Serious, I think the usa is in a very dangerous position right now. Mostly I gues I am trying to get a grasp on where all the money went, because it is really gone. America has been robbed.

There was a lot of gold bullion under one the WTC towers, gold of foreign nations. And some of the first explosions heard and experienced on 9/11 were in the basement of the WTC, before the planes hit the building.
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 Oct 12, 09, 09:21    #60
cheehaw:
http://www.wntube.net/play.php?vid=5607

WNTube is liaised to Stormfront. Stormfront is a White Supremacist Movement. That disqualifies these videos.


cheehaw:
I actually went over to prisonplanet dot tv a few months ago and dowloaded their entire portfolio, gave me a stunning headache for about a week. heh. Right now, I am in shock about the Jewish connections I keep running into, honestly I really had no idea this time last year.. and I keep following this stuff, checking this checking that.. and I keep ending up in that same place. I don't want to end up there, it just keeps happening no matter which direction I start from. I've been reading Russian stuff here and there of late, and I get the same opinion being proffered up from that direction. The biggest problem I've got with it is simply ethical, aside from finger pointing, be it from muslims, from serbs, from americans, from whomever.

Yeah, if you keep checking extreme right-wing views, it's only natural you're gonna get the same results. I'm sure that if you would check extremish Israeli sources, you would get a ver different kind of view on things. Also, if you would check the normal news sources, you would get a different view on things. All these "sources" are like little kids who didn't get their way and I don't see any "proof" except some rumours, flimsy documents, who could have been fabricated anyway (right-wing has a rep on that part) and silly allegations that haven't been proven at all.

cheehaw:
I have to check more into the jewish perspective maybe.

Not maybe, you have to. If you want to be unbiased as you say, you are obliged to look at all sides, not just the right-wing views. At least, that's what I would do. But then again, I don't view in groups, just in individuals. It makes more sense anyway.

>^..^<

M-G (gee, how much of this so-called "proof"-nonsense of the right-wing camp do we have to endure?)


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