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Edited by: joepilsudski  Oct 12, 09, 22:07    #121
cheehaw:
[i]try these 3 links at youtube

Plenty of hard evidence and TONS of circumstantial evidence...The whole thing was staged like a big budget Hollywood movie, but probably cost quite a bit less what a big movie costs...We were all fooled by the 'shock and awe' of the spectacle, and the great 'production values'...Could have been nano-thermite, could have been 4th generation 'clean' mini nukes or 'frogs'...

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Edited by: Seanus  Oct 12, 09, 22:25    #122
Harry, did you even read:

1) The list of demolition experts I gave you (NOT just one)?

2) The Richard Gage statement where he talks of remote control operation which negates the need for all the fuddly cabling inside? It's on page 3 of this thread. Elevator maintenance occurred in Mar 2001 and it was locked down with manned guards. That's a bit OTT, wouldn't you say?

I'll resend these things if you wish.

Well Joe, how about listing those Zionists with their express deeds on that day?
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Edited by: joepilsudski  Oct 12, 09, 23:07    #123
Seanus:
2) The Richard Gage statement where he talks of remote control operation which negates the need for all the fuddly cabling inside? It's on page 3 of this thread. Elevator maintenance occurred in Mar 2001 and it was locked down with manned guards. That's a bit OTT, wouldn't you say?

I'll resend these things if you wish.

Well Joe, how about listing those Zionists with their express deeds on that day ?

They were all in Israel, enjoying a nice glass a wine, and eating braised lamb, with tomato & olive salad...Barak also enjoyed a session with a lovely Ukrainian female escort...Peres watched a local Isaeli theatre troupe do a performance of 'Fiddler on the Roof'...Netanyahu was speaking at a university...They all watched the tragic events on CNN, and wept over America's misfortune...Any more questions?
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Edited by: Seanus  Oct 12, 09, 23:09    #124
OK, how did they change the world on 9/11?
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 Oct 13, 09, 00:12    #125
how did they change the world.. they made us start taking a look at how gullible we peasants are? They opened a can of worms in public?

TONS of evidence, tens of thousands of videos at youtube and around elsewhere in private pockets.. tens of thousands..

so I won't bother posting anymore of those because they are literally endless.

but here is

Pilots For 911 Truth to reiterate Architects and engineers for 911 truth.

http://pilotsfor911truth.org

everybody got questions pa.

taki dobsha.
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Edited by: sjam  Oct 13, 09, 10:01    #126
z_darius:
Prove it was technically impossible.

And this is your proof that it was technically possible... nothing about proof just a belief! Ha!

z_darius:
I think it would have been possible to prep the building for controlled demolition without anybody undesirable noticing that something out of the ordinary is being done. I believe I explained why I believe it.

z_darius:
It;s called a cell phone.

So now you are trying to suggest hundreds of explosives were detonated by cell phones?

My hypothesis that the explosives were designed-into the WTC structures from day one by the architects involved with building the WTC complex is actually more feasible that anything you have come up with to date.

z_darius:
Typical jwish response - ridicule without addressing the actual arguments.

So now I am Jewish... how Polish of you :-)))

cheehaw:
the questions are not going to disappear,

Not as long as there is money to be made out of it by selling 9/11 books, speaking tours, films documentaries and merchandising :-))

cheehaw:
they made us start taking a look at how gullible we peasants are?

Doesn't take much. Nothing new look back in US history:

On Sunday, October 30, 1938, millions of American radio listeners were shocked when radio news alerts announced the arrival of Martians. They panicked when they learned of the Martians' ferocious and seemingly unstoppable attack on Earth. Many ran out of their homes screaming while others packed up their cars and fled.

Today seemingly millions of gullible Americans believe their own government deliberately killied thousands of their own people in WTC.

Today 75% of British muslims believe the Lodon tube and bus bombings was not the work of Muslims at all but UK's MI6 or other government agencies.

But not all of us are gullible as you guys!
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 Oct 13, 09, 11:13    #127
cheehaw:
True, I know essentially nothing except what others tell me. Would thermite need those precautions?

No, thermite would need far more precautions because it is unstable. It also has a tendency to to ignite when preheated (something that may well happen if, say it was surrounded by burning jet fuel for a few minutes). There's also the small problem that thermite needs a primary charge and that would be certain to be set up by burning jet fuel. And even if you could work out a way to prevent the primary charge from going off, nobody has ever worked out how to cut a verticle steel beam with thermite. You can direct it with a canister but that method wouldn't work to cut a column. The canister only makes a small hole. Have a look here for such a canister cutting a steel rod http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wn-MCCZ3O1M See how large that canister is compared to that small metal rod? The canister in that video, while being enough to cut the vertical rod, will only cut a small hole into a vertical WTC column. To cut the WTC columns you'd need to wrap them in multiple canisters on three sides!


cheehaw:
also, have you any idea how massive the WTC was? One elevator alone was about 12x15 feet square and there were several of those. Might have actually been a tad bigger than that at 15x 15, I never took a measuring tape. The columns inside it were equally large.

So in other words it would have taken a lot of explosives to cut those columns. Interesting point about the elevators. What do you think happened to them and their counter weights? Do you think that it is more than slightly possible that the cables on them snapped? What kind of noise does an elevator that size (or its equally heavy counterweight) make when it hits the ground from between 50 and 100 storeys up: a small clunk or a huge bang? One other thing: if the first explosions were at ground level, why did the builing collapse in stages from the top down? If the bottom was blown out, it would go in stages from the bottom up.


z_darius:
Prove it was technically impossible.

No. You are claiming it is possible: you prove it. Go and prep two of the largest office buildings in the world for explosion (and another one half their size) without anybody noticing. Until you do that, your claim about it being possible is right up there with your claim that the Polish police are investigating me for saying that I'd like to buy your daughter a drink. By the way, I'm still waiting for them to come and arrest me, maybe you should call them again.


z_darius:
That stuff is cheap and reliable. Most adults in the US and EU walk every day with a wireless device. It;s called a cell phone. Millions of people use dozens wireless devices in their homes and offices. You gotta try them one day. They are very much affordable.

You think it is possible to set off tens of thousands of charges to a degree of accuracy measured in no more than ten microseconds? I suggest that you give up your library job and get a job at a mobile phone company: they'd love to know how to do what you can do.


z_darius:
Typical jwish response - ridicule without addressing the actual arguments.

Oh dear Derek, you've gone back to your old ways of just insulting people (not that sjam considers being called a Jew an insult, neither do I).


z_darius:
I dunno. I don't take the meds that you do, so you'll have to solve that riddle in your mind.

Yes you have gone right back to your old ways. Should I now start telling you about all the things I'll be doing this weekend Mr Z? I was planning to of to Gdansk but perhaps I'll go to Wroclaw instead. I've been reading a very good blog about it recently. Of course I do have to point out that I would never do anything in any way illegal or even unpleasant to anybody, although I suppose I could waive the unpleasant requirement as far as you are concerned.
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 Oct 13, 09, 14:38    #128
sjam:
And this is your proof that it was technically possible... nothing about proof just a belief! Ha!

So far you have shown nothing other than disbelief, which is a belief that something could not have taken place.

sjam:
So now you are trying to suggest hundreds of explosives were detonated by cell phones?

And where am I trying to suggest that?
Seeing your surprise at the term "wireless device" I merely pointed out some exapples from daily life.

Harry:
You think it is possible to set off tens of thousands of charges to a degree of accuracy measured in no more than ten microseconds?

First prove that it cannot be more than 10 microseconds.
Second, wireless devices have a response time in the order of under 1milisecond, which puts it in the area of microseconds. That response time will occur within a network of competing devices. All such network devices will send signals far more complex than a simple electrical impulse required to detonate a charge. Then that signal is interpreted by the receiving end and a response is sent to the sender. This round trip will take place in about 500 microsecond. Now take out all the networking protocol headers end eliminate the need to send a response to the sender. We're approaching 10 microseconds very fast.

Large office buildings, such as WTC, will have miles of existing wiring. You haven;t addressed that. There is the electrical system which can be used to send signals and there are miles and miles of various networking cables such as UTP or fiber, many spare. All mapped and accounted for. With those microseconds is an eternity. Computers used for parallel processing and tied to one another using network wiring require latency in the order of nanoseconds, so that would certainly meet and exceed the microsecond requirement.

Harry:
Oh dear Derek, you've gone back to your old ways of just insulting people

You started. You took a debate to some planet of yours. Shed it and then we may continue the actual topic.

Harry:
Should I now start telling you about all the things I'll be doing this weekend Mr Z?

It's all up to you. After all your comings and goings are unpredictable and there is no way for me to tell what planet your next doze of ventolin will take you.
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Edited by: Seanus  Oct 13, 09, 14:41    #129
Who cut the deals? That's what I'm interested in. Porter Goss met with Mahmoud Ahmed on the day of 9/11, that's a bit fishy! He is an American, though, not a PL Jew.

Joe, you can't know the operations of the cabal. Therefore, the crime will remain a mystery.
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Edited by: sjam  Oct 13, 09, 15:31    #130
z_darius:
Computers used for parallel processing and tied to one another using network wiring require latency in the order of nanoseconds, so that would certainly meet and exceed the microsecond requirement.

Ah! So we don't have your wireless networks anymore now we have parallel processing computers using the wiring inside the WTC :-)) Parallel processing computer detonations in a parallel universe of your WTC fantasy more like.

This is a very entertaining topic!!
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 Oct 13, 09, 15:43    #131
There are many professionals who can explain the phenomenon of remote detonation. It doesn't need to be a kaffufle.
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Edited by: z_darius  Oct 13, 09, 15:44    #132
sjam:
Ah! So we don't have your wireless networks anymore now we have parallel processing computers using the wiring inside the WTC :-)) Parallel processing computer detonations in a parallel universe of your WTC fantasy more like.

I mentioned existing wired infrastructure before at least a couple of times. You did not bother to address then. In this post I merely reminded you about the fact.

I offered numbers (including wireless), and I offered examples how these numbers add up in environments far more stringent than sending a lone electrical impulse.

Since you don't appear to be a talented joker try to stay on topic and show me the existing wired infrastructure, or the use of wireless would be impossible to use for the purpose.
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Edited by: sjam  Oct 13, 09, 16:01    #133
Maybe the real reason for all this 9/11 conspiracy garbage is because that most of you in your bubble of conceit, just can't accept that 'a man in a cave co-ordinated the whole thing' and brought the most powerful nation on earth to its kness, trembling and shaking. One man and a sat-phone!

No wonder you guys need your conspiracy theory web! It is much easer to believe that this attack was the work of hundreds of government conspiritors rather than planned by this one skinny little third world guy holed up in in a third world cave armed with just a sat-phone and his intellect!

And despite all the years of looking, all the lost US lives, all that vast military expenditure by the richest and most powerful western nations this little guy is probably still sitting in his cave laughing and rightly so. You have to admire the sheer genious of the guy.

z_darius:
sending a lone electrical impulse.

Maybe you need to apply it to your own brain!
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 Oct 13, 09, 16:10    #134
sjam:
Maybe you need to apply it to your own brain!

Still no serious response.
I thought so.
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Edited by: cheehaw  Oct 13, 09, 16:13    #135
The newest research coming out say it was nano-thermite, not simply thermite. I did post a link above to a danish guy discussing his research on that. It's a good link. He does a good job of briefly explaining nano-thermite.

I doubt very much that there were explosives built into the structure from day one. People know what was in the buildings, something like that would have been discovered long ago. For instance, a friend of mine, an architect with an asbestos inspection license, would do work down there because when they originally built the towers in the 1970's asbestos as fire-proofing was still legal.. so they started using asbestos to wrap columns and pipes etc but didn't use it all the way through the construction because during that time they made it illegal as a building material. Anyway he would go in and determine where asbestos was and how to remove it, look inside walls etc. And other people for other reasons, even if it were just a plumber, they knew what in the building structurally. offices would come and go, walls get ripped out and put back together etc.

I think what is going to happen with this is.. international demand for a real investigation is going to become over-whelming at some point in the not-too-far-off future. It's easy for the american govt to ignore the requests of it's own citizens and simply shoo shoo them as conspiracy theorists, it's not that easy for them to ignore the requests of the international community.

Harry
One other thing: if the first explosions were at ground level, why did the builing collapse in stages from the top down? If the bottom was blown out, it would go in stages from the bottom up.

I really don't know Harry and I am not in a position to guess, all I can say regarding the matter is that that is what hundreds, maybe a few thousand, eyewitnesses say. And it's worth noting that people who were there and did witness certain things mysteriously died shortly afterward. By now though, too many people are asking questions. And not just here in the US.. it's taken quite a while for the initial shock to wear off.

And anyway, Harry, none of your explanations explain how it is that WTC 7 folded straight down into the ground when it was never struck by a plane or anything, and the fires within it that supposedly were from the crashes had been pretty much extinguished. Essentially it smells like a setup in far too many ways and needs a real investigation. I truly do not understand how anyone can can look at the situation, look at the thousands of eyewitness reports that have surfaced over the years and sit back and say everything is alright.

More than anything, I think people are real tired of the wars and the lies to perpetrate the wars. Our kids go to Iraq, Afghanistan, wherever, they come home.. people go over there, make movies etc.. you cannot deny the films.. the situation in Afghanistan especially is much worse for the civilians there than it was before we started bombing them. Women and children are being mutilated and murdered.. Our kids feel like cannon fodder and guinea pigs.. How can you say this is alright Harry? eventually all of this lands on your doorstep.

The war corporations/machinary have used this situation to reap billions of dollars in profits at the expense of the lives of american people, iraqis, afghans, even polish people. To what end?

Osama Bin Laden is most likely dead a long time ago.
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Edited by: sjam  Oct 13, 09, 16:19    #136
z_darius:
Still no serious response.

sjam:
Maybe the real reason for all this 9/11 conspiracy garbage is because that most of you in your bubble of conceit, just can't accept that 'a man in a cave co-ordinated the whole thing' and brought the most powerful nation on earth to its kness, trembling and shaking. One man and a sat-phone!

z_darius:
I thought so.

If your conspiracy theories give you comfort then take comfort in them but that skinny little third world guy is still out there plotting, and scheming against you whether you like or not he will be back :-)))
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 Oct 13, 09, 16:25    #137
The Bush family was quite friendly with the Bin Ladens. Osama Bin laden was already dying and on dialysis. He is dead. His name was used that's all. Maybe because they knew he was dying. The world has not heard from in in 5-6 years at least. Any videos coming out supposedly from bin Laden are so fake it's laughable.
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Edited by: z_darius  Oct 13, 09, 16:26    #138
sjam:
If your conspiracy theories give you comfort then take comfort in them but that skinny little third world guy is still out there plotting, and plotting whether you like or not he will be back :-)))

In fact I clearly stated I do not believe the buildings were prepped for explosion by anybody so that makes you a blatant liar. I believe though that whoever caused what happened on 9/11, it was a set of events convenient to certain powers, inside the government or very close to it.

My interest in this thread was only in regards to whether is was technically possible to prep the buildings for explosion without anybody noticing and I still believe it was possible. Other than trying to offend me and others you offered no attempt at a coherent proof, or reasoning to the contrary.
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 Oct 13, 09, 16:32    #139
WTC 7 was obviously prepped so why not the other buildings?

If they were allowed access by security that was told to let certain people in then they could do anything they wanted to in a few months time. There was work going on in the elevator shafts for several months.
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Edited by: PlasticPole  Oct 13, 09, 16:40    #140
It was not "obviously" prepped, unless you count having a building fall next to as being "obviously" prepped. It fell because gigantic buildings were falling around it. They are lucky every building within a two mile radius didn't undergo structural damage. That sort of thing happens when you have unplanned demolition of skyscrapers.
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 Oct 13, 09, 16:44    #141
WTC7 collapse does look suspicious though. I think the collapse could be used as an illustration of how perfect demolition should look. It is spectacularly coincidental that the building went straight down.
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Edited by: PlasticPole  Oct 13, 09, 16:45    #142
Oh yes its such a COINCIDENCE that it happened right after the WTC collapse. Gee, that's so WEIRD. How did THAT happen? UNEXPLAINABLE!!!

wonder why it didn't happen before the collapse?
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Edited by: sjam  Oct 13, 09, 16:49    #143
z_darius:
Other than trying to offend me

:-)

z_darius:
Typical jwish response - ridicule without addressing the actual arguments.

sjam:
So now I am Jewish... how Polish of you :-)))

:-)

z_darius:
no attempt at a coherent proof, or reasoning to the contrary.

You only offered you belief which is not coherent proof or reasoning to the contrary it is only you belief. Simply that. And I don't believe you.

z_darius:
My interest in this thread was only in regards to whether is was technically possible to prep the buildings for explosion without anybody noticing and I still believe it was possible.

z_darius:
I believe though that whoever caused what happened on 9/11, it was a set of events convenient to certain powers, inside the government or very close to it.

You can stick with your beliefs of 'a set of events convenient to certain powers, inside the government' until one day this skinny little third world guys sitting in his third world cave makes another call on his sat-phone....

:-))
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 Oct 13, 09, 16:50    #144
That does not make sense Plastic Pole. The buildings were not constructed with playdough.

there is information here about work being done at WTC prior to 911 and other links there to the views of engineers etc.

http://www.911blogger.com/node/19889

Then go here and take a look at the ground layout

http://drjudywood.com/articles/dirt/WTC7.html

WTC 7 was not adjacent to WTC 1 and 2, the immediate adjacent buildings did not fail.
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 Oct 13, 09, 16:50    #145
PlasticPole:
Oh yes its such a COINCIDENCE that it happened right after the WTC collapse. Gee, that's so WEIRD. How did THAT happen? UNEXPLAINABLE!!!

The collapse itself is not unexplainable. The perfectly vertical one may be explainable but it does look spectacularly coincidental. Especially that other buildings, closer to the main towers, suffered so much less damage.
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Edited by: PlasticPole  Oct 13, 09, 16:52    #146
And those two planes meant nothing...they didn't even exist! The government released taped recordings of fake planes flying into buildings so they could covertly rig the buildings and have them fall down. Those planes were never there.

All those buildings suffered damage. It would be impossible to be that close to towers 1 and 2 without suffering considerable damage. I don't have statistics, but my guess is that most of the surrounding buildings were unsound, uninhabitable, and had to come down. Didn't you see the documentary about the WTC Marriot?
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 Oct 13, 09, 16:52    #147
cheehaw:
WTC 7 was obviously prepped so why not the other buildings?

If they were allowed access by security that was told to let certain people in then they could do anything they wanted to in a few months time. There was work going on in the elevator shafts for several months.

There were 47 core columns, each a box section. Two sides would need to be cut and shaped charges be put on the other two side. Each column would need two sets of cuts and charges per floor, i.e. 186 cuts and 186 charges per floor. At least 20 floors would have needed to be preped (9 were for the 29 storey Hudson building): 3,720 cuts and 3,720 charges per building, 7,440 cuts in total and 7,440 charges. Plus WTC 7.

Your point about the shafts is a red herring unless those shafts offered access to all four sides of the columns, which they did not. And even if they did, it is more than a touch unlikely that 7,440 cuts were made in huge steel beams without anybody smelling anything.


cheehaw:
I really don't know Harry and I am not in a position to guess, all I can say regarding the matter is that that is what hundreds, maybe a few thousand, eyewitnesses say.

There’s the point: you are guessing. You are claiming that explosions at the ground floor level caused the building to collapse from the top levels downwards. Your comments show that you know virtually nothing about explosive demolition. I suggest you go and watch a few: note how the buildings go from the bottom floor first, not the top!


Anyway, I'm off down a rabbit hole to see Alice.
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 Oct 13, 09, 16:56    #148
Harry:
There were 47 core columns, each a box section.

Each encased in concrete I believe?

Harry:
7,440 cuts were made in huge steel beams without anybody smelling anything.

Pre-perforated at design-in stage! They were counting on future insurance monies!
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 Oct 13, 09, 16:59    #149
I used to like to ride my bike to the WTC. It was a nice ride down Broadway in the evening. I liked to lay on a bench in that big square area in the middle after mostly everyone was gone and watch the lights go out, floor by floor by floor at dusk.

I know this layout firsthand, WTC was a good few city blocks from WTC 1 and 2 in walking distance. It was far enough away that I barely noticed it.

The marriot hotel was much much closer. that didn't fail either.

this is probably a pointless discussion by now.
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 Oct 13, 09, 17:08    #150
I know it looks strange, but why would that one building fall and nothing else besides the two towers? There has to be a logical explanation. Something about it's location and maybe there were defects of some kind. It's like an earthquake. Does every building fall during an earthquake? Nope. You see some collapsing, while others are still standing. Most are probably unsafe but people assume they are alright because they didn't fall. They are in danger of falling at any moment until they are demolished.


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