NATO prepares for Nuclear war

SadekThreads: 7 Posts: 231 Joined: Jan 11, 08 ♂	Edited by: Sadek Jan 24, 08, 18:51 #61
I havent said that Serbs were ok I said that we all know what serbs did ... but WWI would start without serbs ....

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Jan 24, 08, 18:53 #62

make up your mind...if you have a problem with not understanding written english,go take out your frustrations somewhere where you atleast know something on the subject,and like i say,check post 2 of the poles in ww2 before you accuse me of being anti polish again....(btw,your making yourself look abit daft,a serb plot caused ww1,fact,just because it MAY have started without it,doesnt negate the fact it did start that way.)

SadekThreads: 7 Posts: 231 Joined: Jan 11, 08 ♂	Jan 24, 08, 18:57 #63
I think you try to be expert in cases in which you don't have any knowledge.

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Edited by: isthatu Jan 24, 08, 19:03 #64

whatever sadek,its all on record nowand I stand by my statements and eagerly await any corrections that come from fact not national chauvanisim.
,lets see ....tell me,who shot Franz ferdinand?
below,a couple of links re the start of ww1

http://www.megaessays.com/essay_search/Gavrilo_Princip.html

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_did_the_Black_Hand_Gang_do

a couple of links of serb warcrimes

http://www.guardian.co.uk/yugo/0,,181286,00.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/yugo/article/0,,2053811,00.html

no doubt links can be found for croat and bosniac warcrimes,but,seeing as its a serb on here playing whiter than white.....

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Jan 24, 08, 19:06 #65

isthatu wrote:

Sadek wrote:
he is telling versions of Histroy which hurts ...

yes,the truth does hurt,
well sadek,if you like denying genocide,fine. the dead of srebrinica and sarajavo might have something to say on the subject.
Crow wrote:
Even then your media and governments needed to fabricate rapports, t

yes,we fabricated 15,000 dead boys and old men murdered by your militias didnt we. liar.If you lie about genocide you may as well have tied those little boys up and shot them yourselves,both of you,you should be ashamed.If you really believe what crow has to say sadek,your loss,you are as guilty as he is.I suggest you do a bit of research on the balkan conflict,either that or talk to my ex army mates that saw just what the serb forces did,just think nazis in russia x10,old people crucified,mothers raped infront of their children,entire croatian and bosnian villages rounded up and burnt alive in the village hall or school.....

isthatu

Those data that you operates with are data about Serbian sufferings and you here same as your media managed to portrait Serbs as aggressors. Ideology of genocide created by our foes is behind genocide on Serbs. Genocide as political tool is absolutely unknown inside of Serbian minds, society.

On the other side, some Serbs were involved in crimes but those are individual crimes and they are condemn in our society. Such a tragedies follow every war but, to underline- Serbs didn`t start the Civil War. Germany pushed us in bloody war diplomatically and Croatian ustashe and Bosnian Muslims directly on terrain, while Albanians started on Kosovo.

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Jan 24, 08, 19:15 #66

well,thats reasuring crow, as I said in above post,war crimes were commited by ALL sides,and it is good to hear those serbs who commited them are despised in serbia. You have to admit you have a tendancy to blame everyone else and try to deny any serb aggresion though dont you. Glad to see a little balance coming back here. As I said many months ago,Id love to sit and have a proper face t face chat with you in some nice Belgrade bar or cafe ,and who knows,maybe someday I wont feel Im going to be blamed for nato if I do visit serbia.

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Edited by: Crow Jan 24, 08, 20:00 #67

isthatu wrote:

well,thats reasuring crow, as I said in above post,war crimes were commited by ALL sides,and it is good to hear those serbs who commited them are despised in serbia. You have to admit you have a tendancy to blame everyone else and try to deny any serb aggresion though dont you. Glad to see a little balance coming back here.

what you talking about, man?

since i come to this forum i speaks only truth to auditorium. Nor Serbia, nor other Balkan Serbs didn`t start conflict. We were attacked- diplomatically, in propaganda and in open war, from multiple foes. On the scene was ideology of genocide on Serbs. Serbs were erased from their native ground- territory of Krajina, Dalmatia, Slavonia, Istria, from Kosovo, Metohija, from parts of Bosnia-Herzegovina.

Then, in chaos that occurred, yes, some Serbs committed some crimes. Sometimes, those who committed crimes did it as act of revenge on enemy who before that killed some family members to them. Sometimes, Serbs members of mafia and black market criminals, committed crimes (mafia from all sides in conflict was especial problem on terrain, as i said already).

Questions remained- Why so called west supported genocide on Serbs? Why so called west supported ethical cleansing committed on Serbs (more then 1.000.000 Serbs was removed from their homes during this Civil War)? Why NATO even taken part in all that, against Serbs? Why NATO even allayed themselves with mujaheedines against Serbs? Why is so called west against Serbs, really?

Some would say, all that because Serbs are loyal friends/brothers to Russians. But, we know, Serbs are loyal to Poles, too. So, why then?

Because of `drang nach osten`, it becoming clear. Just, who is next?- we should ask

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Edited by: Crow Jan 25, 08, 06:06 #68

i think i have a comment

It is simply very, very astonishing how the analysts of so called west consider the Russian politicians retarded. They think that Russia is a retarded country, and that G. W. Bush is an example of a brilliant mind.

Sometimes seams to me that they think that by writing crap `analyzes` in which they apparently glorify Putin's policy, and all that packed with very wrong and misleading advices, they would suborn Russia into wrong decisions.

In typical articles of this kind these `analysts write:

`Putin is a good man... `
`Putin is a righteous man....`
`Putin is a man of right decisions...`
`He will not let Russia shamed over Kosovo.... He will react...`

and then come `advices`:

`He will cut the gas to Western Europe`, or
`He will recognize breakaway provinces of Georgia and Azerbaijan` or

All these crap advices ill-wish `advices` usually come with crap statements like:

`just as in Afghanistan, in Iran too Moscow’s interests are in line those of Washington.`, or
`Russia, on the other hand, has natural conflicts built-in with Iran`, or
`The Serbs left the province and NATO moved in... To the Russians, it was the ultimate slap in the face.`, or
`US and EU sided with Muslims` etc...

After all, who gives a **** about Putin. He is just one politician but, so called west want to make Putin even more important then he is important in Russia. So called west hardly can accept that Russian society evolve.

One could at least understand (if not agree with) this simplistic approach if we were facing the world in which the so called West were going well and Russia were going down.

But in fact it is the opposite! Russia's economy is increasing by 7% annually, and at the same time Russia's monetary reserves are the third largest in the world. Russia's influence in the whole world is increasing and Russia becoming respected today in great majority of different countries with different cultures, religions.

On the other side, it is the so called West whose power is fading day by day and even the blind see this! USA have debt of 9000 billion $ and it looks like that they think the only way for them to repay this debt is to start WW3.

But the whole world see them! The whole world now well understand their actions! People are in fear and not from Russia or China, or from Muslims but from possible actions of USA, NATO, EU. Everything is possible in world of disorder, world of THEIR order

So, this `analyst` can stick his advices in his *** (some place behind).

I do believe that new Russia, directed by Pro-Slavic elite shall not betray Iran nor Muslim countries! Russia as all other Slavs, considering Slavic long and continual historical expiriance, should show respect for other civilizations, for their unique path. Also, neither should Russia betray Serbs, in time of their need! Nor Russia, nor other Slavs. That`s the Slavic way.

There is the article which is object of my comment, which after all gave some good remarks, no matter absolutely simplistic approach of author...

Russia's Nuclear Declaration: A Defense, Not An Attack

David Storobin, Esq. - 1/22/2008
http://globalpolitician.com/24045-russia

Russia will defend the territorial integrity of Serbia and the West has no reason to support the KLA.

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Jan 25, 08, 07:30 #69

Crow wrote:

Questions remained- Why so called west supported genocide on Serbs? Why so called west supported ethical cleansing committed on Serbs (more then 1.000.000 Serbs was removed from their homes during this Civil War)? Why NATO even taken part in all that, against Serbs? Why NATO even allayed themselves with mujaheedines against Serbs? Why is so called west against Serbs, really?

You know the answer.Some western powers had interest in dissolving Yugoslavia and limit Serbian control in teritorry.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Jan 25, 08, 10:54 #70
Genocide was not the way to do it tho, it should never be. Milosevic was the problem, not many Serbs

isthatuThreads: 4 Posts: 1,627 Joined: Jun 8, 07 ♂	Jan 25, 08, 14:14 #71
Crow wrote: since i come to this forum i speaks only truth to auditorium. Nor Serbia, nor other Balkan Serbs didn`t start conflict. Forget it mate,your obviously a few sarnies short of a picnic.......

southernThreads: 116 Posts: 10,895 Joined: May 17, 07 ♂	Edited by: southern Jan 25, 08, 14:19 #72
Crow points out that the war started when Croatia and Slovenia were recognized by Germany very fast and without consulting other EU members' opinion or having negotiated first with Serbs.This created split and chaos in former Yugoslavia where many nations lived in the same regions.

isthatuThreads: 4 Posts: 1,627 Joined: Jun 8, 07 ♂	Jan 25, 08, 14:37 #73
no mate,crow thinks the sun shines eternall out of serbias arse and everyone else is evil false west....its pathetic. Germany didnt morter bomb markets in Sarajevo...Germany didnt slaughter unarmed men and boys in Srebrenica,he really is pathetic. Like a nazi blaming jews for ww2,a low life loser.

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Jul 21, 08, 12:38 #74

sorry for my English but i had to post this. I know that this doesn't have much to do with NATO nuclear war but i had to say something about little poor Serbs complayning that everybody hates them... Isthatu if you are openminded and have time pls visit this link without prejudice and if you have more interest watch the rest of the parts.
w w w.youtube.com/watch?v=TVTQjlZBaM4
"skip first minute, important thing is after it"

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Jul 21, 08, 16:00 #75

Seanus:

Genocide was not the way to do it tho, it should never be. Milosevic was the problem, not many Serbs

its again and again interesting to me when people who don`t know much about issue, likes to give comment anyway. It must be very interesting when words flow just to flow

Listen. Serbs were victims of genocide, in WWII, in Civil War that happened in former Yugoslavia. Serbs didn`t commit genocide. In the same time Serbs were/are biggest victims of ethnical cleansing.

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Edited by: Seanus Jul 21, 08, 16:05 #76

Crow, I had an article published on this matter. Prominent Serbs were involved in ethnic cleansing. Sorry, but I invested a lot of money on educating myself on this issue.

Just because u r a Serb, doesn't mean u know ur history inside out and that I can't.

Ever heard of Srebrenica?

However, this shows that the international community were too disinterested when Serbs were being cleansed. Krauthammer, Charles: "When Serbs Are 'Cleansed,' Moralists Stay Silent", International Herald Tribune, 12 August 1995

I'm not anti-Serb Crow, that much should be clear 2 u. I'm an independent Scot who has no axes to grind with either side. Please save ur insults and hacks for BB who is more 'animated' than I.

CrowThreads: 365 Posts: 7,189 Joined: Feb 14, 07 ♂	Jul 21, 08, 16:45 #77
NATO prepares for Nuclear war fart nukes?

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Jul 21, 08, 16:47 #78
A war of posturing

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Edited by: Crow Jul 21, 08, 17:03 #79

Seanus:

Crow, I had an article published on this matter. Prominent Serbs were involved in ethnic cleansing. Sorry, but I invested a lot of money on educating myself on this issue.

Just because u r a Serb, doesn't mean u know ur history inside out and that I can't.

Ever heard of Srebrenica?

However, this shows that the international community were too disinterested when Serbs were being cleansed. Krauthammer, Charles: "When Serbs Are 'Cleansed,' Moralists Stay Silent", International Herald Tribune, 12 August 1995

I'm not anti-Serb Crow, that much should be clear 2 u. I'm an independent Scot who has no axes to grind with either side. Please save ur insults and hacks for BB who is more 'animated' than I.

once again. You don`t know anything on issue and no way that are able to understand. You know only that what masters of propaganda wanted that you know. Great money is invested here, that for sure

This Serb (myself) would leave you to your valuable sources.

Just remember. We (Serbs) can forgive many things to false west but that, that Serbs who were victims of genocide are now portraited as genocidal, we Serbians won`t forget. No chance. Because of such a propaganda, Britain, Germany and France are now mortal enemies to Serbs. Those countries are considered to be organizers of assault on Serbs. Those countries atacked our eternal soul which was and still is sworn only to Slavija Besmrtna. Serbs would retaliate. Mark my words. We shell see who has more impact on public in Slavic countries, Brito-German-Franch coalition and their satelites or Serbians.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Jul 21, 08, 17:08 #80
Serbia is like a fly to Britain, no offence. As a nuclear power, we'd wipe u off the face of the planet. No troops can fight against a nuclear weapon. I read many sides of one story, that's my nature and I can't have it any other way. Retaliate away, ur country will disappear if u persist with that strategy. Serbs haven't lost any wars, eh? Don't tempt fate~!!

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Edited by: Crow Jul 21, 08, 17:22 #81

Seanus:

Serbia is like a fly to Britain, no offence. As a nuclear power, we'd wipe u off the face of the planet. No troops can fight against a nuclear weapon.

I read many sides of one story, that's my nature and I can't have it any other way.

Retaliate away, ur country will disappear if u persist with that strategy. Serbs haven't lost any wars, eh? Don't tempt fate~!!

remember this, too...

It is you who first mentioned nuclear weapon in context of our disscusion. But, it`s not accidental. You are just deluded pown. Governmants of so called west already used radioactive weapons against Serbs. Their deluded public supported it, yes.

just, don`t forget, you chosed weapon, not the Serbians. You gave absolute destruction to our children, to Slavic children. You endangered future of our children.

when you see how NATO collapse, how Slavs abandening that evil alliance, you would understand and you would know that Britain would be punished

Then, Serbs would come in your dreams without dreams

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07 ♂	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Jul 21, 08, 17:22 #82
They got Karadzic! ...says Tadic. Serbia captures fugitive Karadzic URL

CrowThreads: 365 Posts: 7,189 Joined: Feb 14, 07 ♂	Jul 21, 08, 17:28 #83
Bratwurst Boy: They got Karadzic! if this is truth, he would be killed in Hague, same as many other Serbs before him

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07 ♂	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Jul 21, 08, 17:31 #84
Crow: if this is truth, he would be killed in Hague, same as many other Serbs before him What punishment would you advise for him? You know...Srebrenica... The UN says Mr Karadzic's forces killed at least 7,500 Muslim men and boys from Srebrenica in July 1995

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Edited by: Seanus Jul 21, 08, 17:34 #85
I didn't advocate the use of nuclear weapons and I would certainly not want to see most Serbs hurt. I was just saying how Britain could make short work of Serbia Ur view of Slavs is, frankly, laughable. I'd be glad to transport u out of the Stone Ages, if only I had a transporter

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Edited by: Crow Jul 21, 08, 17:40 #86

Bratwurst Boy:

What punishment would you advise for him?
You know...Srebrenica...

i know that Arab Muslim mujas and their Bosnian camarades killed more then 3000 Serbians of Srebrenica, in zone which was under UN protection. General Mladic (and eventualy Karadzic) was respond. Mladic came on call of local Serbs who were in agony. Oh, that was ravange. You can`t imagine how many Arabic mujaheedines was killed in great hunt. They remembered wrath of Gate Keeper from White Garden of Sarmatia.

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07 ♂	Jul 21, 08, 17:43 #87
You still didn't answer the question...which penance should be meted out in your eyes for that crime?

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Edited by: Crow Jul 21, 08, 17:45 #88

Seanus:

was just saying how Britain could make short work of Serbia

wait, Britain is conglomerate of different ethoses. What would you if other Slavs form conglomerate arround Serbians, in order to offer equal respond. Man, even Slavic fart would blow you in space, not to mention Slavic di**.

Seanus:

Ur view of Slavs is, frankly, laughable. I'd be glad to transport u out of the Stone Ages, if only I had a transporter

Star Trek?

Bratwurst Boy:

You still didn't answer the question...which penance should be meted out in your eyes for that crime?

What was Karadzic`s crime?

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Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Jul 21, 08, 17:49 #89

Crow:

What was Karadzic`s crime?

He is seen as responsible for the killings of 7500 men and boys...you know that Crow!

From 1996 until 2008, he was a fugitive indicted for war crimes by the International Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia; the Interpol warrant cites assault, crimes against humanity, crimes against life and health, genocide, grave breaches of the 1949 Geneva conventions, murder, plunder, and violations of the laws or customs of war. The indictment [6] charges Karadžić on the basis of his individual criminal responsibility (Article 7(1) of the Statute) and superior criminal responsibility (Article 7(3) of the Statute) with:

* Two counts of genocide (Article 4 of the Statute - genocide, complicity in genocide);
* Five counts of crimes against humanity (Article 5 of the Statute - extermination, murder, persecutions on political, racial and religious grounds, persecutions, inhumane acts (forcible transfer);
* Three counts of violations of the laws or customs of war (Article 3 of the Statute - murder, unlawfully inflicting terror upon civilians, taking hostages);
* One count of grave breaches of the Geneva Conventions (Article 2 of the Statute - willful killing).

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Jul 21, 08, 17:49 #90
Run behind ur 'brothers', eh? Unless u drafted in Russia, who are not a pure Slavic nation btw, u wouldn't stand a prayer. We'd just nuke u and wave goodbye. The SAS could probably pick off most of ur army one by one

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