NATO prepares for Nuclear war

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Jul 21, 08, 17:56 #91

Bratwurst Boy:

He is seen as responsible for the killings of 7500 men and boys...you know that Crow!

Who sow him as responsible? No way he could let that Arab mujas mutilate and beheded local Serbs and no way that he was able to control wrath of Bosnian Serb army. You know, in that army were cousins of those Serbs killed and captured in Srebrenica.

It was primordial respond on call for help and then blind revange happened. NATO created situation for it. NATO governmants are responsible here, same as for complete chaos in former Yugoslavia. It is `dream of Slavic unity` which was hijacked.

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07 ♂	Jul 21, 08, 17:57 #92
I thought you would react that way Crow...I just knew it! Sorry sod...

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Jul 21, 08, 18:00 #93
I condemn NATO action strongly Crow but this Slavic unity is UTTER crap

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Edited by: Crow Jul 21, 08, 18:02 #94

Seanus:

Run behind ur 'brothers', eh?

English monsters hide behind other Brits. So why Serbs wouldn`t get a little help from kin nations?

Seanus:

Unless u drafted in Russia, who are not a pure Slavic nation btw, u wouldn't stand a prayer. We'd just nuke u and wave goodbye.

The SAS could probably pick off most of ur army one by one

don`t underestimate Poles. Britain and NATO controls Poland but, does not control Polish soul

Bratwurst Boy:

I thought you would react that way Crow...I just knew it!

Sorry sod...

now, cry

Seanus:

but this Slavic unity is UTTER crap

what Slavic unity?

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Jul 21, 08, 18:21 #95
I'd never underestimate a Pole but, were it not for Britain, the unemployment figure would be substantially higher here. This Slavic unity, a pipedream Russia may support u but they are afraid of the US

Wahldo	Jul 21, 08, 18:37 #96
ahh jeez, here comes Connie in the leg warmers after that one.

CrowThreads: 365 Posts: 7,189 Joined: Feb 14, 07 ♂	Jul 22, 08, 06:19 #97
Seanus: Russia may support u but they are afraid of the US quite possible and so, that leaves Serbs at the mercy of Britain and whole so called west behing her? hm, actualy you underestimate Slavdom. Serbians aren`t alone, with Russian fear from USA or not, with or without official Russia. Serbs are just first line and ALL Slavs of this world understand that

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Jul 22, 08, 08:49 #98

Crow:

Serbs are just first line

Right, beeing the spearhead of slavic tribes it was bordered by enemies for centuries. Serbs developed a mentality to either win a battle or fight till the death. Devoted fighters never run away. Though they can not compete with the modern warmachinery NATO can put on, they have a morale of a nature Britain has not seen since maybe fighting the Scots.

NATO can win in the air, but on the ground they would be very wise to have their scotish soldiers support.

Belonging to a specific race seems not to be of interest for present politicians, but interesting that nowadays "New Europe" supports the same countrys bordering Serbia, "Hitlers Europe" supported in the past, isn't it?

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Edited by: Crow Jul 22, 08, 10:04 #99

while leading NATO countries prepares for final invasion on Slavic world, Slavic resistance spread...

Protesters block Ukraine NATO exercises

22 July 2008 | 10:35 | Source: UPI

http://www.b92.net/eng/news/world-article.php?yyyy=2008&mm=07&dd=22&na v_id=52104

ODESSA -- Ukrainian protesters said Monday they blocked NATO warships from participating in a military exercise in the Black Sea.

The Bratstvo, or Brotherhood Party, issued a press release Monday saying its members had moved boats into positions blocking the exits from the port of Odessa, preventing NATO ships from participating in the Sea Breeze 2008 exercise, RIA Novosti reported.

Forces of darkness have come to consume the Garden. Arise children of Slavdom and push the back!

Dmowski:

scotish soldiers support

yes, Serbs are aware that Scots aren`t enemies and hesitate to beat Scots. Evil England knows that and regularely sending Scots in its first lines.

Same way France used/using Poles on Kosovo, knowing that Serbians won`t use lethal force against them because consider them as its own ethos.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Jul 22, 08, 14:37 #100
We certainly aren't ur enemies Crow. The Serbians are legendary fighters and us Scots respect that.

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Jul 22, 08, 16:12 #101

Seanus:

We certainly aren't ur enemies Crow. The Serbians are legendary fighters and us Scots respect that.

why then you BLA BLA about being British. Fu** off British identity. Britain betrayed alliance with Yugoslavia/Serbia in WWII (and after), Britain taken part in pushing Yugoslavs in bloody Civil War (in 1991) and in import of mujaheedines in Bosnia and Kosovo, Britain creating Greater Albania (it culminates in 1999 and in 2008).

Britain is now open enemy and Serbians would attack British interests, especialy inside of Slavic world. Serbs are skiled in creating problems to evil empires.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Jul 22, 08, 16:55 #102
I merely said what Britain would do were Serbia to be over aggressive. NEVER make the mistake of doubting the identity of a Scot. I'm not anti-Serbia, I have no reason to be. U produce some of the best warriors. U get me wrong, I don't condone what Britain did and condemn the NATO bombings. Please quote me on sth things and I'll defend them.

CrowThreads: 365 Posts: 7,189 Joined: Feb 14, 07 ♂	Edited by: Crow Jul 22, 08, 17:11 #103
Seanus: NEVER make the mistake of doubting the identity of a Scot. I'm not anti-Serbia, I have no reason to be. U produce some of the best warriors. i respect you You reffering on Scots as good warriors. They are, indeed. But, they serve to Britain, to England. Serbians chooses not to serve their oppressors, even when odds suggested otherwise. Serbs regularly killing their oppressors.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Jul 22, 08, 17:20 #104
The only point I really made against Serbia was that 2 wrongs don't make a right. However, there was genocide against ur people which I deplore. I hate the hypocrisy of Britain in allowing mujihadeens, terrorists basically, to wreak havoc and set upon innocent Serbs. Please don't assume that us Scots wanted to attack Serbs, I'd bet that an independent Scotland wouldn't have attacked u.

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Edited by: Crow Jul 22, 08, 17:28 #105

Seanus:

However, there was genocide against ur people which I deplore.

thank you

Seanus:

I hate the hypocrisy of Britain in allowing mujihadeens, terrorists basically, to wreak havoc and set upon innocent Serbs.

again, thank you

Seanus:

Please don't assume that us Scots wanted to attack Serbs, I'd bet that an independent Scotland wouldn't have attacked u.

i wish freedom and independance to Scots then.

Just, you are closer to your freedom these days. Britain/England made mistake when moved against Serbians. ;)

What would you Scots with your freedom? What if (when!) Britain collapse?

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Jul 22, 08, 17:37 #106

Scotland has many strong and stable industries. We have the technology of today and tomorrow. Our science teams were rated higher than America's, sth which I don't believe but, still, we are strong in scientific fields.

We can invent many new things and are seriously pursuing alternative energy sources. We are leaders in tidal power and there is still a lot of untapped oil near where I live.

I was back in Scotland for a bit and I see much wealth there.

With our freedom would come greater scope to innovate. Times would be hard initially as we receive a lot from England but us Scots are rugged and would dig deep to make our country strong again. We don't give up easily.

Britain's economy is already heading for recession. Scotland can fall back on a solid industrial base.

dtaylorThreads: 15 Posts: 992 Joined: Sep 15, 07 ♂	Edited by: dtaylor Jul 22, 08, 17:41 #107
Also, we own 98% of the UK's oil reserves... Scotland today is the only country(in UK) were the recession hasn't hit hard. House prices haven't been affected, business tax is being changed in such a way that Westminster can't be involed. There are a lot of plus's. And there was me thinking no Polish Kantor would take Scottish notes...hmmmm, shoe on the other foot now eh:)

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Jul 22, 08, 18:05 #108

Seanus:

Scotland

dtaylor:

Scotland

what about agriculture and food industry? Vegetables, fruit, corn...

What is Scottish GDP (national product, let`s say / year)? per capita (income / citizen in a year)? You know data?

What is status of Scottish spirituality? Prevailing religious concept? Protestants? What ordinary Scot knows about time BC on the ground of Scottland? Art?

What Scots thinks about Poles? What Scots thinks about Slavs in general?

Please, just in very very short

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Jul 22, 08, 18:15 #109

Scotland is a leading provider of beef. Many vegetables are home grown and we are not that dependent, no more so than other countries.

GDP, not sure. Please check official pages for this.

Spirituality, mainly Protestant but also Catholic. Time BC, hmm...esoteric point but we pride ourselves on our knowledge of history. Art, the same answer. More for Edinburgh snobs tho.

Scots get on with Poles quite well and I think that we have made much more of an effort than most English people to accommodate them. Slavs are strong so we admire that.

CrowThreads: 365 Posts: 7,189 Joined: Feb 14, 07 ♂	Jul 22, 08, 18:55 #110
Seanus: Slavs are strong so we admire that. yes, strong. still. strong but wounded thanks for info Good night Crow out

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Apr 5, 09, 23:28 #111
Wow, I was idiotic in parts of this thread. Likely in many others too :( Still, I paid my respects to Crow after this. The man has a vision, bless him for that!

HusariaThreads: - Posts: 16 Joined: Jan 25, 09 ♂	Apr 7, 09, 06:19 #112
No one gives a **** about eastern europe but it will be countries like Poland that will be the last bastion of western ideals once the islamic birth rate over runs nations like France, England and Germany...

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Apr 7, 09, 22:39 #113
True enough. Poland is doing well in resisting Islamic influences. "Brudas to brudas" is my fiancee's comment to that, LOL. It says it all really :)

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07 ♂	Apr 7, 09, 22:43 #114
Seanus: Poland is doing well in resisting Islamic influences How would you know...there never were even tested...

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Apr 7, 09, 22:48 #115
The spirit is there :) It's that kind of resistance ;)

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Apr 7, 09, 23:51 #116
That's useful to know for when I'm there :) I think it's funny that the topic of the thread is nuclear war and Obama is planning to get rid of them. That'll be the day, is he gonna make a gesture of faith?

CrowThreads: 365 Posts: 7,189 Joined: Feb 14, 07 ♂	Apr 7, 09, 23:52 #117
NATO has powerful hackers

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Apr 7, 09, 23:59 #118
I wouldn't doubt that, Crow. They are gonna have to stop crashing into each other. There has been a couple of submarine incidents involving NATO members, in OCEANS, LOL.

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Apr 16, 09, 04:41 #119

Mustn't jostle around the nuclear weapons, after all....

Back to the original topic, I'd always heard NATO had a first strike strategy, dating from the cold war.
War is war...death and destruction in many forms. I think a first strike, while distasteful, is an excellent deterrent...look how long the US and USSR/CCCP rattled our nuclear weapons at each other without actually firing one...Heaven forbid either side thought it was worth the risk to attempt it. It wouldn't surprise me if the USSR had a similar strategy.

At any rate, the first strike isn't a "new" strategy, it's been that way for decades.

As for hackers...my bet would be on the Chinese and Russians for having the best ones; not sure if it is true now, but 20 years ago, at least, it was commonly accepted in the U.S. that software and computer companies sought Russian programmers; the theory was that Russian programmers were used to getting results from less capable computers...and could work wonders with the more powerful computers (then) created in the U.S. while American programmers often were not used to having to work as hard to get a particular solution, as they were used to computers that did more of the work for them.
Not sure if it is true,
and at any rate, not sure it relates to NATO and nuclear war...

All nations and powers with nuclear weapons or under their influence...prepare for nuclear war. Just as those who do not...constantly prepare for conventional war. Unless something really bad happens, it all amounts to training, and nothing more, IMHO.
Americans and Soviets prepared daily each to incinerate the other from the map for decades...Soviet and American tank crews trained to overrun each other, and Soviet missile crews prepared to use Poland, Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia, etc...as their large scale nuclear "scorched earth" incinerating American tanks before they got to Russia.
We both had nuclear "boomer" ICBM submarines within a slingshot's distance from each others' shores, ready to render Washington D.C. Moscow, and scores of other cities into charred graveyards full of former residents reduced to nothing more than flash shadows scorched into the few ruins to remain standing.
Yet....it never happened.

The preparation for horrible things is always there...it is this knowledge, I think, that keeps nations from ACTUALLY following through with such things, so long as sane leaders remain in control.

Incidentally, Crow...here in the U.S. they recently aired a travel show advising travel to Serbia (Croatia as well). It did look like an interesting place to visit, honestly the only media your country usually gets here is still from the war a decade ago.

John P.

wildroverThreads: 180 Posts: 8,143 Joined: Jun 7, 07 ♂	Apr 16, 09, 04:47 #120
When i was a soldier it was common knowledge that NATO would be the first to use Nuclear weapons , as this is the only way we could hope to stop the mass of Russian armour heading across Germany to the channel ports....

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