NATO prepares for Nuclear war

freebirdThreads: 3 Posts: 638 Joined: Jun 8, 07 ♂	Apr 16, 09, 04:50 #121
Michal: No and I do not believe that Nato would do this in the first place You're damn right about that. No one is stupid enough to pull the trigger. This would be the end of days and except for the religious fanatics (location well known) no country in the entire World would ever go that far.

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Apr 16, 09, 05:02 #122

freebird:

You're damn right about that. No one is stupid enough to pull the trigger. This would be the end of days and except for the religious fanatics (location well known) no country in the entire World would ever go that far.

The sad reality is: You can never be sure. Does anyone really know? They wouldn't tell the public for fear we would go mad and riot and loot. If we all thought we would be gone tomorrow due to nuclear explosions people would go absolutely nuts overnight. They would go to the local retailers and start tearing stuff up.
With a NATO pre emptive strike, Russia would definitely strike back by hitting US cities with their nukes in return.
No one really knows how close we are to an actual nuclear war. As long as we have them, the threat is quite real.

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Apr 16, 09, 05:39 #123

I think the NATO first strike strategy is something told to citizens in NATO countries (here in the US for instance) to help allay fears due to the massive quantitative lead the Soviet Union had wrt nuclear weapons.
I don't know, but I'm quite sure the Soviet Union also had a first strike strategy.

After all, with the MAD theory, there is a first strike, with everything in the arsenal. There IS no "retaliatory" strike beyond perhaps the last desperate shot fired by a dying nation.

In those days nobody was talking about tactical nuclear weapons to kill small areas of military importance. Rather, they spoke in terms of missile salvos destroying multiple major cities at once.

China is the only country to say it was willing to lose a city were there an exchange, thankfully most nations are not so hasty in their willingness to sacrifice citizens' lives.

Iran-maybe but that would be more of an extreme religious viewpoint of one of its leaders, more than a desire (I hope) of its citizens to be involved in such an exchange.
sane nations simply aren't in a hurry to use the big one.
Even in WWII it was only used when it was apparent the alternative was millions killed in a massive ground invasion.
It should always remain a LAST resort, IMHO, not the first one.

John P.

HatefulBunch397Threads: - Posts: 1,018 Joined: Nov 5, 08 ♀	Apr 16, 09, 05:53 #124
That doesn't surprise me about the Chinese. Them willing to simply "lose a city" fits in with their human rights record.

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Apr 16, 09, 05:53 #125

The Russians had no need to use Nuclear weapons in an attack on Nato in Europe , they had more than enough conventional forces to reach the channel ports in five days , probably less... I would have been one of the muppets sat in a hole in Germany trying to stop the mass waves of Soviet armour.. Sure we had better tanks , and i believe better trained troops , but the fact is we could not have stopped them , perhaps given em a bloody nose , caused them lots of casualties ,slowed them down, but in the end we would have finished up as a messy stain with a tank track over us...Those of us who survived would then have a nuclear weapon dropped on our heads by our own side as this would be the only way we could have stopped the Russian armour... There is no way we could let them reach the channel ports when we had weapons that could stop them even if it meant nuclear war....

freebirdThreads: 3 Posts: 638 Joined: Jun 8, 07 ♂	Edited by: freebird Apr 16, 09, 05:59 #126
HatefulBunch397: With a NATO pre emptive strike, Russia would definitely strike back by hitting US cities with their nukes in return. Both countries are too smart to do it. If then Some religious fanatics like I said. I could bet my butt off that it won't be war between NATO and Russia or China etc...

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Apr 16, 09, 06:01 #127

That may be;
Were you in during the era nuclear howitzer rounds were being used? Honest John rockets? Just curious.
I know people who were trained to drop nuclear depth charges...one doesn't have time to hunt a submarine when it is being ordered to fire SLBMs within minutes.
Like throwing dynamite into a pond and picking up the stunned fish, only with submarines.

Still have a feeling that helicopter launched nuclear depth charges...or whatever they may be....would be a one-way sort of thing even though everyone trains like they will get away, just as, no doubt, the guy loading the nuclear arty rounds...was told he could leave after firing it.

John P.

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Apr 16, 09, 06:13 #128

JohnP:

would be a one-way sort of thing even though everyone trains like they will get away, just as, no doubt, the guy loading the nuclear arty rounds...was told he could leave after firing it.

Yes we all trained for the getting away situation , but we knew enough facts to realise it was a very unlikely scenario...Even those of us firing mortars were aware that after the third round the enemy would have computed your position from the angle the round came in on them , and something nasty would be on its way to you long before you got the hell out of it....

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Apr 16, 09, 06:19 #129

wildrover:

he Russians had no need to use Nuclear weapons in an attack on Nato in Europe , they had more than enough conventional forces to reach the channel ports in five days , probably less...

Soviet plans for a possible WW3 in Europe didn't seem to follow your suggestions.
In case of an attack by NATO Soviets were to nuke Poland roughly along the line of the Vistula river, annihilation about 10 million Poles and destroying a significant part of the country.

But on the bright side, the nuclear pollution of the are was designed to stop a possible advancement of NATO's conventional forces through those inhabitable territories.

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Apr 16, 09, 06:20 #130

I've heard in the past that once effectively targeted by enemy air defenses, or in a heated exchange of lead, that my expected life span in a "protracted" exchange was under 30 seconds (as a helicopter gunner).
The trick is to deny that whole "effective targeting" thing...but at any rate it doesn't pay to shoot and stick around. That millimeter wave counterbattery stuff doesn't mess around. Not sure if it was this way in your day, but often the rounds are heading toward the mortar crew before their first round has even reached the top of its trajectory. That new automated stuff is nasty.

John P.

wildroverThreads: 180 Posts: 8,143 Joined: Jun 7, 07 ♂	Apr 16, 09, 06:29 #131
z_darius: In case of an attack by NATO Soviets Ah well thats a different matter , i was refering to an attack on Nato by Russia , not the other way round....

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Feb 20, 10, 00:11 #132

Somebody assassinate NATO top brass now. They are nothing but warmongers and their deeds have put many innocent people in the line of fire. They ought to be crucified for that. Ahmedinejad himself said that there is no room for a nuclear proliferation race or at all. NATO is a laughing stock, relying on bought news stations like BBC and CNN to prop up their faultering campaign by exaggerating or just plain lying. My money is on the beardies to win.

ZIMMYThreads: 10 Posts: 2,243 Joined: Feb 21, 09 ♂	Feb 20, 10, 00:24 #133
Seanus: Ahmedinejad himself said that there is no room for a nuclear proliferation race or at all. ....and as we all know, Ahmedinejad is a man whose word can be trusted, right? Seanus: My money is on the beardies to win. That's what Darius III of Persia (Iran) said just before he fought his 3 unsuccessful battles against Alexander the Great.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Feb 20, 10, 00:28 #134
I would say so, yes. Give me reason to think otherwise. At least he doesn't wage stupid wars and he actually values human life unlike Bush and Obama. Kindly stop believing the crap you read about him, you really don't know him. And Alexander the 'Great' got caned by the Afghans, as did the Brits, Russians and NATO are getting the same now.

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Feb 20, 10, 01:08 #135

Hmmm so it looks like India is the only country which does not have the "attack first" theory.
Well, finally i have something to be proud of. We have nuclear arms and we are not a part of the NPT. Our constitution states that we cannot be aggressors, we can only attack if we are hit first. I dunno how brilliant that is cause if one thinks practically, we share quite a long border with Pakistan. wouldn't be nice to go back to a flat country.

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Feb 20, 10, 01:45 #136

Seanus:

Alexander the 'Great' got caned by the Afghans, as did the Brits, Russians and NATO are getting the same now.

"The Great" had a difficult time in Afghanistan (Bactria) but in the end he prevailed. A blizzard caught part of his army and froze to death some 2000 of his troops before "The Great" could say "charge".

You might enjoy this clip from the author of "Into the Land of Bones" (Frank Holt).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qn2ST_mMJvI

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Feb 20, 10, 02:37 #137
I'll be sure to check it out soon, ZIMMY. Thanks :)

CrowThreads: 365 Posts: 7,189 Joined: Feb 14, 07 ♂	Edited by: Crow Feb 23, 10, 19:44 #138
NATO prepares for Nuclear war NATO would fart. That would NATO do. Fart Serbs alone were enough to give lesson to the NATO. If Poles were in alliance with Serbs instead with Germans and Turks (how abominable; to put cross on myself- fast and several times), NATO could fart long time ago

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Feb 23, 10, 19:48 #139
Which countries has the superior fighting forces, Crow, Serbia or Poland? Obama got the ball rolling on the nuclear deproliferation front but Russia played a couple of tricks with Putin at the helm. It's all politics and a good laugh for these guys. NATO is not preparing for a nuclear war.

CrowThreads: 365 Posts: 7,189 Joined: Feb 14, 07 ♂	Feb 23, 10, 19:54 #140
Seanus: Which countries has the superior fighting forces, Crow, Serbia or Poland? Oh, you can`t compare Poles and Serbs that way. Never analyze Poles and Serbs as opposed forces. It never happened, nor would even happen. But, i can rather imagine Poles and Serbs as defenders of united Sarmatia. When i close my eyes i see force, power behind limit, i see elite guard, i see Guardians of Sarmatia

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Feb 23, 10, 19:57 #141
If a new flare-up erupted in the Balkans, as one prof actually predicted, do you think Poland would do anything other than keep the peace, Crow? There would be a chance to step in and show their brotherhood but would they?

CrowThreads: 365 Posts: 7,189 Joined: Feb 14, 07 ♂	Feb 23, 10, 20:05 #142
Seanus: do you think Poland would do anything other than keep the peace, Crow Yes. Poles and Serbs would give eternal peace to German and Turkish soldiers on terrain. Kosovo would be fertilized with them. Oh, that would be hunt. Arab mujas would be cocked and eaten

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Feb 23, 10, 20:08 #143
Cocked? I didn't think Serbs were that way inclined ;) ;) What's the position in Bosnian villages now? Do Serbs need protection there? I was driven through via the Croatian border and there was never any danger.

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Feb 23, 10, 20:12 #144

Seanus:

Cocked? I didn't think Serbs were that way inclined ;) ;)

right. cocking isn`t necessary

Seanus:

What's the position in Bosnian villages now?

arab and Afgan mujas populated some areas. But, Serbs monitor situation. Slavija would be purified soon

Seanus:

Do Serbs need protection there?

actually, mujas need protection

Seanus:

I was driven through via the Croatian border and there was never any danger.

give yourself time

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Feb 23, 10, 20:25 #145
Are there any incursions into Serbia or do they just stay in Bosnia? How does the government in Belgrade make Serbs in Bosnia and Kosovo feel safe as they appear to do nothing? This is from the mouth of Serbs there who feel abandoned.

matteroftaste	Feb 23, 10, 20:31 #146
hairball: NATO prepares for Nuclear war what a bull. I guess you guys better talk about females or something.

CrowThreads: 365 Posts: 7,189 Joined: Feb 14, 07 ♂	Feb 23, 10, 20:54 #147
all in all, Poles and Serbs should form alliance. It sound far less abominable then Poland in NATO. Ukrainians, Czechs, Slovaks and Belorussians with us! Russians not against us! Who need more that one is crazy as rat

jonniThreads: 26 Posts: 4,189 Joined: Nov 27, 07 ♂	Feb 23, 10, 21:36 #148
Crow: It sound far less abominable then Poland in NATO. Poland is in NATO and was very keen to sign up. They'd had enough of 'alliances' with dodgy East European regimes, especially Russia.

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Edited by: Crow Feb 23, 10, 22:15 #149

jonni:

Poland is in NATO and was very keen to sign up. They'd had enough of 'alliances' with dodgy East European regimes, especially Russia.

Serbs did more for Poland then all `Gods` that this Earth sow. So, Poles knows. Yes, Poles are in NATO, they feel mighty... BUT, with Serbs on their side, Poles walked with dignity, experienced true power and glory, independence. With Serbs, Poles were proud to be Poles, cradle of one whole civilization

In a thousand years NATO/EU can`t give that to Poland what Racowie (Serbs) gave to Poles

jonniThreads: 26 Posts: 4,189 Joined: Nov 27, 07 ♂	Feb 23, 10, 22:17 #150
Crow: Serbs did more for Poland then all `Gods` that this Earth sow. Serbs have done nothing for Poland. NATO and the EU however are a different matter.

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