"NaziSexyMouse" poster causes outrage in Poland

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Edited by: David_18 Jul 12, 10, 18:36 #1

A local city councilor has pursued legal action, saying the artifact violated a law banning the display of Nazi symbols. Vandals have also ripped a gaping hole in the two-story high poster, forcing the gallery to put up a new one. "For Poles, the swastika symbolizes the suffering and death of more than six million Poles. Exhibiting this symbol in the city center is a particularly disgraceful and disgusting act," said Councilor Norbert Napieraj.

http://www.worldjewishcongress.org/en/main/showNews/id/9458

http://www.baltimorenews.net/story/657754

Viva la ART!!!!

Why does people have to cry about everything?

I seriously like the poster, kinda makes me smile when i see it ( im not a nazi ).

Is it right or wrong to have a sucha poster in the middle of the city?

MagdalenaThreads: 5 Posts: 1,389 Joined: Aug 15, 07 ♀	Jul 12, 10, 18:45 #2
Personally, I don't find this poster very "artistic", and I would be happy for it to be removed from public space as to me it would be an eyesore (the whole swastika issue aside).

Miguel ColombiaThreads: 3 Posts: 711 Joined: Apr 20, 10 ♂	Jul 12, 10, 18:49 #3
Lol that was funny ,I have to say. **** Mickey Mouse.

enkiduThreads: 18 Posts: 983 Joined: Sep 23, 08 ♂	Jul 12, 10, 19:01 #4
Miguel Colombia: Lol that was funny ,I have to say. **** Mickey Mouse. I completely fail to see anything remotely funny in it. I know - "the Fail is strong in this one". Probably I would burn this poster if only I have got a chance. Poland is one of the last places where a swastika would be tolerated.

WiltshireflyerThreads: 1 Posts: 13 Joined: Jul 10, 10 ♂	Edited by: Wiltshireflyer Jul 12, 10, 19:04 #5
I have visited Auscwitz and Birkenau and knowing what those people did to thousands (correction - MILLIONS) of Poles horrified me. If I personally saw ANY Nazi symbol anywhere, not just in Poland, I would rip it down !

David_18Threads: 111 Posts: 1,212 Joined: Jan 4, 07 ♂	Jul 12, 10, 19:05 #6
enkidu: Poland is one of the last places where a swastika would be tolerated. Common man it's just art...

WiltshireflyerThreads: 1 Posts: 13 Joined: Jul 10, 10 ♂	Jul 12, 10, 19:06 #7
David_18: Common man it's just art... I fail to see the "art" in this????

Miguel ColombiaThreads: 3 Posts: 711 Joined: Apr 20, 10 ♂	Jul 12, 10, 19:08 #8
enkidu: Poland is one of the last places where a swastika would be tolerated. Funny. There are not few Polish nazi skinheads out there. Wiltshireflyer: I fail to see the "art" in this???? Then again, you probably fail at life.

jonniThreads: 26 Posts: 4,181 Joined: Nov 27, 07 ♂	Jul 12, 10, 19:09 #9
Wiltshireflyer: I fail to see the "art" in this???? ' You're an art critic? Who thinks he's the arbiter of what is or is not art? So what then, is art?

WiltshireflyerThreads: 1 Posts: 13 Joined: Jul 10, 10 ♂	Jul 12, 10, 19:11 #10
jonni: You're an art critic? Who thinks he's the arbiter of what is or is not art? So what then, is art? No, im in no way an art "critic", but I fail to see what is "artistic" about the Swastika flag.

pgtxThreads: 49 Posts: 6,327 Joined: Feb 14, 09 MEMBER ♀	Jul 12, 10, 19:11 #11
shock art is created to start a discussion, to gain attention, to focus on an issue... pix

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Edited by: David_18 Jul 12, 10, 19:12 #12

Wiltshireflyer:

I fail to see the "art" in this????

Well it is a naked lady with a mickey mouse head, and the swastika is like the cherry on top. Kinda artistic if you ask me ;)

Seriously the swastika have been used for over 3000 years.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika#Slavic

The polish nobles even used it as a coat of arm.

During the Second World War families by these surnames living in the Polish-Lithuanian regions changed them in order to avoid persecution by the Soviet and/or Nazi authorities.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boreyko_Coat_of_Arms

The germans just gave the swastika a bad name...

WiltshireflyerThreads: 1 Posts: 13 Joined: Jul 10, 10 ♂	Jul 12, 10, 19:14 #13
David_18: The germans just gave the swastika a bad name... I hear what you are saying, but surely the vast majority of Poles must view this as a disgrace, bearing in mind what happened to them under this "flag/symbol". For most Poles this must remind them of suffering and murder.?

jonniThreads: 26 Posts: 4,181 Joined: Nov 27, 07 ♂	Jul 12, 10, 19:16 #14
Wiltshireflyer: I fail to see what is "artistic" about the Swastika flag. So what then is "artistic"?

WiltshireflyerThreads: 1 Posts: 13 Joined: Jul 10, 10 ♂	Edited by: Wiltshireflyer Jul 12, 10, 19:18 #15
jonni: So what then is "artistic"? I am speaking from my own point of view, in that I PERSONALLY I fail to see art in the Swastika flag emblazoned over a building in Poland. Art takes many forms, agreed, but I am talking from my own standpoint. No art in this for me.

David_18Threads: 111 Posts: 1,212 Joined: Jan 4, 07 ♂	Jul 12, 10, 19:20 #16
Wiltshireflyer: For most Poles this must remind them of suffering and murder.? Yes... But this ALSO kinda reminds many poles about suffering and murder So why should this one be legal and not the swastika?

jonniThreads: 26 Posts: 4,181 Joined: Nov 27, 07 ♂	Jul 12, 10, 19:23 #17
David_18: reminds many poles about suffering and murder Sometimes that is one of the purposes of art. Some of the greatest works of art humanity has produced do exactly that.

WiltshireflyerThreads: 1 Posts: 13 Joined: Jul 10, 10 ♂	Jul 12, 10, 19:24 #18
We could be opening a large can of worms here. I agree with what you are saying, and Im sure the Hammer and Sickle also bears bad feelings when seen in Poland. What I am trying to say is no art in the Swastika when it is practically rammed down the Poles throats when draped across an entire building. Do you see my point?

kondziorThreads: 2 Posts: 441 Joined: Oct 16, 09 ♂	Jul 12, 10, 19:25 #19
It is funny and I like it. I agree with one of the baltimorenews's comments... I want Mickey in my home! Where can I buy one?

pgtxThreads: 49 Posts: 6,327 Joined: Feb 14, 09 MEMBER ♀	Jul 12, 10, 19:27 #20
art for somebody isn't art for somebody else... you like it or not... you understand it or not... you see a swastika but others may have different thoughts and feelings about that... art may be very powerful...

jonniThreads: 26 Posts: 4,181 Joined: Nov 27, 07 ♂	Jul 12, 10, 19:28 #21
Wiltshireflyer: it is practically rammed down the Poles throats when draped across an entire building. It's a billboard in a provincial city - far more people have read about it than actually seen it.

WiltshireflyerThreads: 1 Posts: 13 Joined: Jul 10, 10 ♂	Edited by: Wiltshireflyer Jul 12, 10, 19:28 #22
pgtx: art for somebody isn't art for somebody else... you like it or not... you understand it or not... you see a swastika but others may have different thoughts and feelings about that... art may be very powerful... Agreed, art takes many different forms, but whenever I see this Swastika, I immediately think "suffering and hardship". It does nothing for me.

jonniThreads: 26 Posts: 4,181 Joined: Nov 27, 07 ♂	Jul 12, 10, 19:31 #23
Wiltshireflyer: It does nothing for me. Wiltshireflyer: I immediately think "suffering and hardship". Really, you can have one or the other, not both.

pgtxThreads: 49 Posts: 6,327 Joined: Feb 14, 09 MEMBER ♀	Jul 12, 10, 19:35 #24
Wiltshireflyer: I immediately think "suffering and hardship". It does nothing for me. i think it does something for you... you got those unpleasant feelings and thoughts (hardship & suffering)... that's something... not everything always is nice and pretty :)

David_18Threads: 111 Posts: 1,212 Joined: Jan 4, 07 ♂	Jul 12, 10, 19:36 #25
Wiltshireflyer: Do you see my point? Yes. But i still believe that it's ok to play with art. I don't want to produce a work of art that the public can sit and suck aesthetically... I want to give them a blow in the small of the back, to scorch their indifference, to startle them out of their complacency. Ingmar Bergman

jonniThreads: 26 Posts: 4,181 Joined: Nov 27, 07 ♂	Jul 12, 10, 19:41 #26
Check out on google images the Polish artist Beksinski (whose work, by the way, I dislike). It is ugly, often horrific, it can repulse people; but it is art. And very popular in PL.

pgtxThreads: 49 Posts: 6,327 Joined: Feb 14, 09 MEMBER ♀	Jul 12, 10, 19:43 #27
jonni: artist Beksinski ( i like Beksinski... his works make me look more and more into it...

jonniThreads: 26 Posts: 4,181 Joined: Nov 27, 07 ♂	Edited by: jonni Jul 12, 10, 19:45 #28
pgtx: his works make me look more and more into it... They are certainly compelling - like a nightmare you just can't wake up from. As if he was foretelling his own grisly end...

David_18Threads: 111 Posts: 1,212 Joined: Jan 4, 07 ♂	Jul 12, 10, 19:54 #29
jonni: Check out on google images the Polish artist Beksinski (whose work, by the way, I dislike). Yea this beksinski seems to be a sick bastard!!! xD

SokratesThreads: 19 Posts: 4,464 Joined: Jan 19, 09 ♂ [Suspended]	Jul 12, 10, 19:58 #30
While i agree that its some form of art (tastless but hey, its art!) art thats to be received by the public has to take said public into consideration. Such art has no place in Poland, the freedom of expression of the artist has to be constrained in favour of the public, we cannot excuse any shovelfull of offensive crap as art, there's limits to everything and this time they've been crossed.

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