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Edited by: Tran Anh  Jan 6, 08, 02:25    #31
joepilsudski wrote:
but, please, who will rule this 'higher universe'


The rulers of this 'universe' will be Poles themselves and the rest of the world that they consider their own. 'The elite' will be simply the ones who are personally more concerned with administrative aspects and get universally elected for their administrative talent. They get their treatment no better than the rest. And
Tran Anh wrote:
every citizen can watch, react and participate in all actions of this massive government if they so choose


Hope your noble curiosity has been satisfied.

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Edited by: lesser  Jan 6, 08, 09:01    #32
Tran Anh wrote:
The only but great disadvantage of 'Small' (i will clarify it below) countries is when someone simply decide to swallow them and quickly accomplish the deed (the scenario is very likely if "each only sticks to its own business''), thus rendering all development a waste of time.


I don't want to change boundaries of the countries. Regionalism means simply that regions of countries would have almost of competences except foreign and defense policy. So this would change nothing, defensive ability would be the same and maybe even better because simplest system would be more efficient.

Tran Anh wrote:

However if you meant that a certain country can adopt the stance and model of Switzerland to be free, prosperous and safely forget the rest of the world, then you are kinda utopian now (in a worst sense). The Swiss were only spared in the 20th century thanks to its neighbour (we know who) was clever enough to realise its utter uselessness other than being a 'temporary' docile safe for stolen money (there is no doubt that had Hitler fulfilled his goal, he would have finished off "Helvetia" as old Bonaparte so smoothly did centuries before). And in later time did it lie diffirently from its current location (say, in Balcan or Middle East), the oh-so-famous model would either not exist or be quickly consumed.


Times are changing, the Germans are not Nazis anymore and maybe except meaningless Balkans people are sick and tired of wars. This could be proper time to decentralize European countries but unfortunately Brussels bureaucrats stealing our freedoms, introducing their version of socialism went in opposite direction.

Tran Anh wrote:
-The establishment of a world government in its true sense is neccesary to cleanse that atmosphere, bringing prosperity and equality to all particating nations and accordingly to every citizen. Thanks to that, it will be the thing all governments dream to be: Sustainable.


This is pure utopia... This was proofed so many times that socialism doesn't works, bring only disaster instead planned prosperity. You need to understand that when distance between people and administration is small, then the latter is afraid. While when distance between people and administration is huge then people are doomed because the latter don't care want they want. I advice you to study some practical economics instead pushing idealistic globalist ideology.
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 Jan 7, 08, 02:36    #33
lesser wrote:
Times are changing, the Germans are not Nazis anymore and maybe except meaningless Balkans people are sick and tired of wars


lesser wrote:
This is pure utopia


Agreed with your point about the Germans, still your idea that every country (or even region), big and small, can live peacefully together without a common law and a common law enforcer is even more than pure utopia. How can you explain the ever rising expenses on weapons around the world? How come that arms industry is still among the most expanding and profitable? As at some stage of mankind development, humans grouped together to form a nation for a locally relative safety, there will be the stage when all nations will have to join up into one single body for the universal 'relative' safety (There is no perfect safety, the term 'relative' I use corresponds with the definition of 'risk' in each era, so just try to imagine the risks in the next 100 years). This is a fact bases entirely on speculative reason. Thus our (and our descendants') responsibility is to make sure when it happens, it will not be the same immaturely developed models that failed repeatedly in the past.

lesser wrote:
You need to understand that when distance between people and administration is small, then the latter is afraid. While when distance between people and administration is huge then people are doomed because the latter don't care want they want.

I dont know how many times I have stressed the importance of citizens being well-equipped with advanced technology education in the age of world government. Please try to imagine how technology will drastically reduce geographical distance in the next hundred years (the only problem would be human colonies in the universe, but I will not bring into the discussion for fear of enormously complicating it!) As I have said somewhere in this very topic:
TA wrote:
It is unnecessary to wrap up ourselves with our contemporary limited means and then fear the scenario of a rather far future.

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 Jan 7, 08, 04:45    #34
When I write "distance" I mean not geographical issue but ability of "democratic control".

I think that we need agree to disagree, because our views are radically different.
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Edited by: joepilsudski  Jan 7, 08, 11:04    #35
Tran Anh wrote:
The rulers of this 'universe' will be Poles themselves and the rest of the world that they consider their own. 'The elite' will be simply the ones who are personally more concerned with administrative aspects and get universally elected for their administrative talent. They get their treatment no better than the rest.


What you are suggesting sounds very much like the Communist Manifesto...As a Vietnamese native, who has seen his country exposed to tyranies from the Chinese, French & US, & your native communists, I would say to you: beware of such naive ideas,
because all proposed 'utopias' end up in tyranies.
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 Jan 13, 08, 13:11    #36
I have been very busy recently, so here is my rather late reply:

joepilsudski wrote:
As a Vietnamese native, who has seen his country exposed to tyranies from the Chinese, French & US, & your native communists

I must be more than a thousand year old to see the Chinese 'tyranny' in Viet Nam, at least 54 year old to witness French Indochine in its lame glory and well, you are the first ever to tell me about American tyranny! Certainly with all respectful neutrality, to the South Vietnamese, the Yankees were quite a generous ally while to the Northerners, they had been properly kicked in the butt. End of the story. About our 'native commies', the question whether they are proper tyrants or not will bring up a very big topic, thus outside the theme of this one.

joepilsudski wrote:
What you are suggesting sounds very much like the Communist Manifesto..., I would say to you: beware of such naive ideas, because all proposed 'utopias' end up in tyranies.


Thank you very much for your sagely advice, and I suppose that I would kindly reciprocate by suggesting you be less bleak. I have even bothered to write a rather long and sumptuous sermon about the inevitable triumph of universal idealism but then I decided not to post it. For I am afraid that, first I may appear insufferably smug (which is against my principles) and secondly, it may convert you, thus eliminating your principal usefulness in all forums that you participate: Your jaded ‘pragmatism’. A tolerably coherent pragmatist like you is well-recognized in 'our circle' as a good training ground for young and overly impatient idealists, tempering their zeal and sharping their ideology. We ‘experienced idealists’ are certain that ‘our cause’ will end in victory (in a very far future) so leaving a utilisable 'pragmatist' ‘intact’ is no big deal (as long as he is acceptably decent in his shiny cynicism).
Kind regards.
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Edited by: joepilsudski  Jan 15, 08, 12:51    #37
Tran Anh wrote:
A tolerably coherent pragmatist like you is well-recognized in 'our circle' as a good training ground for young and overly impatient idealists, tempering their zeal and sharping their ideology. We ‘experienced idealists’ are certain that ‘our cause’ will end in victory (in a very far future) so leaving a utilisable 'pragmatist' ‘intact’ is no big deal (as long as he is acceptably decent in his shiny cynicism).


Well, I have now been described as a racsist, a demagogue, an 'anti-semite', and now a
'tolerably-coherent pragmatist', so I guess this is what you would call 'progress' or an 'evolution'...I actually have a great love for life and my brothers & sisters, and believe in great possibilities for our future, with God's help...as an artist, I actually tend to have a rather mystical viewpoint , i.e. seeing the beauty and mystery of life...but the reality of what could be termed 'the spirit of pride which elevates itself above God' gives me pause, and viewing history also makes me cautious about 'lofty human ideals', or words.
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 Jan 15, 08, 13:13    #38
http://www.100megsfree4.com/wiawrestling/graphics/nwo.gif


NWO 4 LIFE !!
frenchman55  Apr 11, 10, 18:27    #39
your question has in part just been answered.
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 Apr 6, 11, 19:34    #40
isthatu:
hairball wrote:
Iraq is secured

funniest thing I read all night......
hairball wrote:
and Iran will be within a year.

second funniest
hairball wrote:
Afghanistan has been secured so the gas pipe line can be built.

Stop!No ,your killing me!!!

Ha blast from the past do you still stand by those words, three years on?
Evelyn I Edited by: Moderator  Apr 6, 11, 21:53    #41
Wroclaw Boy:
It reminds of smoking. All smokers deep down know they are the biggest mugs, slowly and systematically destroying their lungs and gradually reducing there health one cigarette at a time. Even the threat of horrific slow deaths such as lung cancer do not deter them. Whats even worse you pay for those privileges. Smokers kid them selves (especially casual smokers) that they enjoy smoking or get some kind of benefit from inhaling cancer triggering tars into their lungs. The truth is smokers are nothing more than drug addicts, the drug known as nicotine. Once free from smoking its hard to believe you ever fell for that trap in first place.


who the hell do you think you are smokers are not drug addicts what about people who sit drinking every night and going out on weekends getting pissed thats ok is it??? i am a smoker and i am no mug. i hate it when people go on about having to put up with cigarette smoke in public places non smokers complained that much the law was changed in the uk that smoking was not allowed in public places u got us moved outside now shut up and go maon about something else.

Personal insult removed
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 Apr 6, 11, 22:20    #42
Tran Anh:
Tran Anh is my name and I am from Viet Nam.

Good one jonni :D
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 Apr 7, 11, 02:02    #43
Ironside:
Good one jonni :D

Not guilty - I was in a pub in Norwich all evening.
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 Apr 7, 11, 02:30    #44
Seanus:
Poland's place in the New World Order is just like that of many other countries, subservient and redundant unless they can prove their worth in some way. Both Russia and America have shown their preferences for hegemony

I'm afraid Poland and it's politicians do not have the discipline needed to prevail in this world of sharks. Bunch of minnows they are.
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 Apr 7, 11, 09:12    #45
Evelyn I:
who the hell do you think you are smokers are not drug addicts

why do smokers smoke then? why do smokers generally smoke more the longer the habit lasts?

Evelyn I:
what about people who sit drinking every night and going out on weekends getting pissed thats ok is it???

Drinking at least provides an effect on the consumer, you know the tipsy feeling which can be pleasant, besides drinking is a good social pass time. But having said that if somebody drinks every night and gets hammered on weekends thats the road to alcoholism which is not a good thing at all. What pleasures are to be gained form smoking?

If youre not a mug answer this question: Would you like your children to smoke?

There are no advantages to smoking and you pay for it, hence smoking is a mugs game but unfortunately highly addictive.
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Edited by: newage  Jan 22, 12, 10:15    #46
Poland is the Nation chosen by God and to rule the world, the prophecy of the second coming of Christ is about to fulfill in Poland, when Jesus will be born in Poland and when he will rejuvenate and possess powers becoming supreme nobody will be able to hurt him, because he will be as walking God on earth.
More on website: www milosierdzie-boze com
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Edited by: teflcat  Jan 22, 12, 10:33    #47
newage:
Poland is the Nation chosen by God and to rule the world, the prophecy of the second coming of Christ is about to fulfill in Poland, when Jesus will be born in Poland and when he will rejuvenate and possess powers becoming supreme nobody will be able to hurt him, because he will be as walking God on earth.
More on website: www milosierdzie-boze com

I have received commands to buy a map of the World titled "I Am America" to teach people of how the earth will look like after the purification, the Day of Judgment from all dirt, mull and vermin. A few channels had an Ancient Prophecies program from which I bought the world's map "I Am America." From the website.
Hmm.
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 Jan 22, 12, 11:55    #48
newage:
Poland is the Nation chosen by God and to rule the world, the prophecy of the second coming of Christ is about to fulfill in Poland, when Jesus will be born in Poland and when he will rejuvenate and possess powers becoming supreme nobody will be able to hurt him, because he will be as walking God on earth.
More on website: www milosierdzie-boze com

Wow, Sister Faustyna and the Three Rays of Light. Had to turn up here sooner or later!
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 Jan 24, 12, 17:25    #49
newage:
More on website: www milosierdzie-boze com

newage:
Poland is the Nation chosen by God and to rule the world, the prophecy of the second coming of Christ is about to fulfill in Poland, when Jesus will be born in Poland

Not funny - kmiocie!
JonnyM:
Wow, Sister Faustyna and the Three Rays of Light. Had to turn up here sooner or later!

Not at all! The site is mockery of the actual website.
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 Jan 24, 12, 18:59    #50
Ironside:
Not at all! The site is mockery of the actual website.

The real Sister Faustyna cult (cult in the Catholic sense of the word) is 100% respectable. This guy is just a loony tunes. Did you see the bit where he claims to have grown 8 inches taller and shows before and after photos?


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