New York Times Slandering Poland again - Says Dachau concentration camp IN Poland

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Mar 23, 11, 06:29 #1

Oh here we go again with the New York Times slandering Poland with more lies.

As if the dozens of times the New York Times has lied about Nazi German Death camps placed in Poland by the Nazi Germans as being "Polish Death camps" was not enough, this time the New York Times specifically said a Nazi German concentration camp that is on today's German soil, Dachau, was "IN Poland" and not Germany.

I guess in the twisted minds of the writers at the New York Times, all bad Nazi German things are now Polish or in Poland LOL

http://www.thenews.pl/international/artykul151637_new-york-times---dac hau-concentration-camp-in-poland.html

Fortunately, after enough pressure by Polish Americans and Poles, the New York Times fixed its "mistake".

http://www.poland.us/strona,20,7666,0.html

http://www.ejpost.co.cc/2011/03/new-york-times-%E2%80%93-dachau-concen tration-camp-%E2%80%98in-poland%E2%80%99/

As usual, only the squeaky wheel gets the grease.

TymoteuszThreads: 7 Posts: 694 Joined: Jul 25, 09 ♂	Mar 23, 11, 06:37 #2
FIRST!!111! Its really not suprising to an American to see our media incapable of reporting even the most rudimentary historical fact correctly. We haven't had any actual journalists for 30 years or better. They are just celebrity wannabees. Well, We do have actual journalists, They are banned in the UK for sure.

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Mar 23, 11, 07:02 #3

Tymoteusz:

FIRST!!111!

Its really not suprising to an American to see our media incapable of reporting even the most rudimentary historical fact correctly. We haven't had any actual journalists for 30 years or better. They are just celebrity wannabees. Well, We do have actual journalists, They are banned in the UK for sure.

You may have a point.

It could be the reason why most newspapers are losing circulation and becoming dinosaurs.

Especially here in the US.

There is definitely something wrong with these media people. :(

1jolaThreads: 33 Posts: 2,737 Joined: Sep 23, 08 ♂	Mar 23, 11, 07:13 #4
If you repeat the lie over and over people become conditioned to believe it. I think it is the threat of libel that is finally getting results with this decades long battle. Luckily, our biggest proponent of this lie has left this forum for good. Join the chief rabbi of Poland, Michael Schudrich, and sign the petition against this slanderous lie. :) http://www.thekf.org/events/news/petition/

TymoteuszThreads: 7 Posts: 694 Joined: Jul 25, 09 ♂	Mar 23, 11, 07:31 #5
MediaWatch: It could be the reason why most newspapers are losing circulation and becoming dinosaurs. I buy a paper everyday on my way to work. Only for the Sudoku puzzle though. I do the crossword too if it doesn't have too much Broadway reference. :/

OlafThreads: 8 Posts: 1,369 Joined: Oct 29, 09 ♂	Mar 23, 11, 09:24 #6
MediaWatch: Dachau, was "IN Poland" and not Germany. Problems with geography, eh? Lousy journalists.

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Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Mar 23, 11, 10:48 #7

MediaWatch:

I guess in the twisted minds of the writers at the New York Times, all bad Nazi German things are now Polish or in Poland LOL

Nah....they are just geographically challenged.
Our part of the world with it's many, often changing borders is like a jungle for someone who isn't really interested.

I'm sure that if they would really be interested in Poland, in slandering it's name, they would know much more about it, where to put what.

delphiandomineThreads: 42 Posts: 9,954 Joined: Nov 25, 08 ♂ [Suspended]	Edited by: delphiandomine Mar 23, 11, 11:04 #8
MediaWatch: Fortunately, after enough pressure by Polish Americans and Poles, the New York Times fixed its "mistake". Actually, it was by Polish Americans. It just confirms that Americans are terrible at geography, nothing else.

scottie1113Threads: 11 Posts: 873 Joined: Mar 13, 07 ♂	Mar 23, 11, 12:11 #9
delphiandomine: It just confirms that Americans are terrible at geography, nothing else. Not all of us are. I know that Dachau is in France.

BzibziohThreads: 6 Posts: 3,657 Joined: Oct 15, 08 ♀ [Suspended]	Mar 23, 11, 12:37 #10
1jola: http://www.thekf.org/events/news/petition/ Jola, is this a new petition?

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Mar 23, 11, 12:50 #11

delphiandomine:

It just confirms that Americans are terrible at geography, nothing else.

I don't think so. Of course, one thing is that they may be terrible at geography, that's for sure. But the other thing is : "look, we have to tell our readers where the concentration camp was ... and where was it? ... well, it must have been in Poland, surely ... where else could it have been?"

[no need at all to check the place on the map or in wikipedia when one believes that his process of deduction is correct]

{look, my dear Watson: if Auschwitz is in Poland, then Dachau should be in Poland, too; where else a concentration camps can be found, if all of them were in Poland - it's deduction, my friend!}

Lyzko

Mar 23, 11, 12:57 #12

Not surprised. Gaffs and geo. blunders are so commonplace here in States, when someone DOESN'T make 'em, we all start to wonder "What's this person doing here? On their own merits, no less?? They're too good!!"-:))

I once read in a college class report about well-known Irish heroes, like Major Tim O' Shenko.... LOL
(Still haven't stopped guffawing over that!! Imagine how the Russians must feel, a mere "major" at that. Guess the old man must have been demoted by the Allies after the War - Civil War, right? Just jokin'!)

The list is actually rather long. Google you folks out there under NON-CAMPUS MENTUS
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BzibziohThreads: 6 Posts: 3,657 Joined: Oct 15, 08 ♀ [Suspended]	Mar 23, 11, 13:09 #13
Lyzko: blunders are so commonplace here in States, If a mistake happens ones or twice: no sweat, but if the same thing is repeated over and over again - well, makes you wonder ... and then makes you think it's done on purpose.

Lyzko	Mar 23, 11, 13:12 #14
There's clearly some sort of agenda with all these mega booboos! Only wish I knew what it is-:)

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Mar 23, 11, 13:14 #15

Bzibzioh:

If a mistake happens ones or twice: no sweat, but if the same thing is repeated over and over again - well, makes you wonder ... and then makes you think it's done on purpose.

I'd suggest that you should blame your education system.

For what it's worth, this latest "mistake" looks to be just an idiotic assumption that all the camps were in Poland.

Still, nice to know that Polish Americans have lots of time for whining about this sort of thing, but no time to actually come to Poland to improve things for us here.

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Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Mar 23, 11, 13:25 #16

delphiandomine:

Still, nice to know that Polish Americans have lots of time for whining about this sort of thing, but no time to actually come to Poland to improve things for us here.

Well....that was uncalled for!
It was incorrect and needed to be cleared up...it had to be PolAms since this factual wrong statement didn't rose a brow with non PolAms, wonder why!

I wonder if you would also laugh about RusAms or JewAms putting wrong things right because they just know better?

What's your beef?

Come to think of....where are the GerAms in such matters...I never hear them complain....

isthatu2Threads: 13 Posts: 5,225 Joined: Apr 3, 08 ♂	Mar 23, 11, 14:59 #17
scottie1113: Not all of us are. I know that Dachau is in France. lols...

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Mar 23, 11, 15:03 #18

Bratwurst Boy:

Well....that was uncalled for!

Well ... it was called for by Harry. Harry doesn't come here any more [which we all regret], so someone will have to take his place ...

Anyway, I'd like to thank you as German for your clear stance that it should be cleared up for it was incorrect instead of playing the thing down as trivial and unimportant. Some other people just are unanble to put themselves under the skin of others. If the American and European press repeteadly says: "the Polish concentration camp in Auschwitz", then it is natural then one day they will say "the Dachau concentration camp in Poland", and the obvious result of it is people announcing hapilly and merilly: "it just confirms that Americans are terrible at geography, nothing else".

JonnyMThreads: 16 Posts: 4,487 Joined: Mar 9, 11 ♂	Mar 23, 11, 15:05 #19
A non-story. Someone there made a very minor mistake about geography and corrected it. Big deal.

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Edited by: Ziemowit Mar 23, 11, 15:44 #20

JonnyM:

A non-story. Someone there made a very minor mistake about geography and corrected it. Big deal.

In a way, you are right, but only in a way. The story has reminded me of another one in which a foreigner to Britain addresses his letter: Glasgow, England. For an Englishman it would be a minor one [if not a very minor - as you were so kind to say] geographical mistake, but for most of the Scots in Glasgow and elsewhere in Scotland ...? I understand that neither you nor Delphiandomine as British do quite catch the Dachau mistake, maybe you will be able to catch the sense of the Glasgow mistake.

Marynka11Threads: 8 Posts: 1,447 Joined: Nov 3, 10 ♀	Mar 23, 11, 15:48 #21
Most American students take one semester of geography or none at all. I think some of them would have epiphany if you told them that the earth is round.

Lyzko

Mar 23, 11, 18:59 #22

Sadly though, misinformation about matters geographical cuts both ways. Europeans too reveal numerous holes in their knowledge. Prince Charles once decried the anti-aesthetic of modern architecture in his beloved native London by comparing to "some monstrosity one might imagine arising from the mountains of Texas..", or some such tripe-:) I've also met many Germans abroad who still believe wholeheartedly that New York's Harlem is just the same today as during the 70's when the film "Fort Apache - The South Bronx" was filmed there LOL

Des EssientesThreads: 11 Posts: 2,318 Joined: Feb 6, 10 ♂ [Suspended]	Mar 23, 11, 19:10 #23
Lyzko: Sadly though, misinformation about matters geographical cuts both ways. Yeah but the Europeans can be forgiven for not knowing geography regarding America's "flyover states" they are so boring and culturally insignificant. (Prince Charles' aesthetics are idiotic nonetheless.)

Lyzko

Mar 23, 11, 20:00 #24

Des Essientes,

sorry to knock your theory into a cocked hat, but for years La belle France was for me a "flyover country" on my way to Le Pay des Allemandes....., yet never would I claim to have imagined rain forests running on either side of the Tour Eiffel-:))!!! I don't buy your idea for a bloody minute (..though presumably, you're only joking too, n'est pas?LOL)

Furthermore, America's (and hence some of the Western World's) greatest authors, Twain, Faulkner, Eudora Welty, Thomas Wolfe, Dreiser, Hemingway etc... ALL came from some of the littlest backwaters of America.

Des EssientesThreads: 11 Posts: 2,318 Joined: Feb 6, 10 ♂ [Suspended]	Mar 23, 11, 20:49 #25
Lyzko, I'm not a Frenchman my name is that of a famous literary character in the novel I happened to be reading when I discovered this forum, and yes I was joking a bit, but as a Californian I must admit I do really find the rest of the USA to be sorely lacking in many respects, and not just the flyover states either, the East Coast gives me the creeps too.

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Edited by: delphiandomine Mar 24, 11, 00:03 #26

Ziemowit:

I understand that neither you nor Delphiandomine as British do quite catch the Dachau mistake, maybe you will be able to catch the sense of the Glasgow mistake.

Not really - we smirk at the dumbness (it happens a lot) of Americans that make such a mistake and get on with life. None of us certainly bother to complain about it.

One big problem is that saying "The Auschwitz camp in Poland" isn't actually incorrect. The camp is located in Poland today, after all.

The Dachau mistake lately is actually one of the very few examples where they've actually got it totally wrong.

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Edited by: BBman Mar 24, 11, 00:43 #27

Bratwurst Boy:

What's your beef?

He doesn't like the Polonia and looks down on Poles. He's a grumpy and unhappy english grammar instructor living in Poland, he has to take out his bitterness on someone/something.

delphiandomine:

One big problem is that saying "The Auschwitz camp in Poland" isn't actually incorrect. The camp is located in Poland today, after all.

It is located in today's Poland, but the official name of the camp is the Former Nazi German Concentration Camp Auschwitz-Birkenau. In order not to cause any confusion, it can be said that it is located in Poland (today) but it has to be called by it's official name to let idiotic readers know that it was run by the nazis.

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Edited by: grubas Mar 24, 11, 00:48 #28

delphiandomine:

One big problem is that saying "The Auschwitz camp in Poland" isn't actually incorrect. The camp is located in Poland today, after all.

In Poland there is "obóz koncentracyjny OŚWIĘCIM".The Auschwitz camp was in German occupied Poland.Plain and simple.You know very well that someone completly ignorant hearing "the Auschwitz camp in Poland" will assume that the camp was organized and run by Poles so don't play stupid.

BBman:

that it was run by the nazis.

No not nazis it was run by GERMANS.Lets stick to the facts.

CrowThreads: 367 Posts: 7,316 Joined: Feb 14, 07 ♂ [Suspended]	Edited by: Crow Mar 24, 11, 01:14 #29
New York Times Slandering Poland again - Says Dachau concentration camp IN Poland expect more slandering in time in front of us. Any time Poles tries to think of their national interests they would be slandered. That`s how things functioning.

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Edited by: Ziemowit Mar 24, 11, 10:35 #30

I think you are right, Crow. The Dachau mistake is not in fact about knowing geography or about some stupid Americans who live in Texas and don't want to believe that the planet Earth is round. It is about associations which try to make people believe that concentration camps where Jews were murdered systematically and on an industrial scale are somehow connected to Poland and Polish people. The affair started with using the expression "the Polish concentration camp in Auschwitz" rather than "the Auschwitz concentration camp in Poland" which - as Delphiandomine says - is right, but nevertheless associates the camp with Poland. People in the press do not even bother to say something about the "nazi" in this context, neither do they bother to mention 'German' at all. No Germans, no Nazis in the affair, only 'Poland' or 'Polish'. And people who work for the New York Times and may believe that Earth is round or Poland is in Africa (who cares?) do not even question themselves where Dachau is. The obvious assumption is that Dachau is in Poland. And that is what the problem is about; it is not about the lack of geographical knowledge or the reluctance to check something on the internet. Who cares to check when everything is obvious and clear?

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