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 Jun 9, 09, 18:47    #241
Pohlatohlakas:
Gazprom's Loyalists in Berlin and Brussels

Interesting article.

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 Jun 11, 09, 00:38    #242
Even Bundeswehr demands now, that the route of the Nord Stream pipeline should be altered!

http://en.rian.ru/world/20090610/155218595.html

Polish, Lithuanian, Latvian, and Estonian authorities raise a large number of objections to the Nord Stream environmental impact assessment:

http://businessneweurope.eu/storyf1644/Obstacles_pile_up_for_Russias_N ord_Stream_gas_pipeline
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/feedarticle/8549428
http://www.baltic-course.com/eng/energy/?doc=14687
http://www.baltic-course.com/eng/energy/?doc=14643

Finland wants more information on risks of gas pipeline:

http://www.hs.fi/english/article/Finland+wants+more+information+on+ris ks+of+gas+pipeline/1135246618162
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 Jun 11, 09, 15:58    #243
A Statement of the Coalition Clean Baltic on the Nord Stream Gas Pipeline ESPOO EIA report and Proposals for requirements to mitigate environmental impact of the gas pipeline
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 Jun 20, 09, 12:42    #244
New Era For Gazprom, As Gas Giant's Fortunes Plummet

Gazprom's pipeline network, a large part of it in Russia, is also aging and in need of upgrading. As "The "Moscow Times" noted on May 27, "No other company has so many explosions on major pipelines."

Q+A-Exclusive Analysis experts on Russia's oil, mine sector

In order to finance all its new projects (LNG initiatives, development of Yamal and Eastern Siberian deposits and the Pre-Caspian, Nord and South Stream pipelines) Gazprom would have to spend $30 billion annually for the foreseeable future. Even at times of high oil prices, Gazprom's investment programme rarely exceeded $4 billion. With $60 billion debt ($10 billion due in 2009) and exports halved because of the fall in demand, it is in no position to continue expanding. More to the point, major Russian banks' credit lines with Gazprom have reached their limits. It is possible that Gazprom will postpone development of capital-intensive Yamal and Eastern Siberian deposits and will concentrate on Shtokman, Nord Stream and South Stream projects, which are also politically significant for the Kremlin.

Nord Stream, Matthias Warnig (codename "Arthur") and the Gazprom Lobby

The files list a number of targets Warnig - "Arthur" was assigned to spy upon. These ranged from a report he submitted in May, 1987 which contain documents about the energy business in West Germany, to a report dated December 8, 1987 about the policies of enterprise management in the West. He also submitted reports about biotech research in the West, computer technology and dozens of other reports mainly dealing with industrial espionage.

Warnig's career was furthered by his alleged relationship with KGB Lieutenant-Colonel Vladimir Putin in Dresden. According to German press reports, the two men were allegedly collaborating on recruiting West German citizens to work for the KGB according to Warnig's former colleagues.

Poland will take control over cleaning up Baltic Sea

A report prepared by Polish experts about ecological dangers in Baltic Sea could jeopardize a German and Russian initiative to build an underwater gas pipe called Nordstream. If this project was to be carried out it could free thousand tons of chemicals sunk there during a World War II. - We have to prepare a report that will stop Gazprom. We need to do it quickly" - said Marcin Libicki, a former European MP, who was the first one to demand independent enviormental expertise. He managed to establish a baltic coallition against Nordstream.


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Edited by: Administrator  Jun 24, 09, 20:43    #245
Top German Spy Says More Russian Snooping on Firms

nytimes.com/reuters/2009/06/21/world/international-us-germany-russia-e spionage.html?_r=1&scp=22&sq=russia&st=nyt

The director of Counter-Intelligence at the Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution, said the spying was aimed mostly at information on alternative and renewable energy and efforts to increase efficiency. European energy interests, diversification plans, and Germany's economic situation were also espionage targets.


Russian Spies and European Energy Security

The head of Germany’s counterintelligence organization, the BfV, Burkhard Even told the newspaper Die Welt am Sonntag on June 21, 2009 that the Russian Foreign Intelligence Service, the SVR, has been actively conducting espionage operations against the German energy sector. "The Russian intelligence services, keeping up with their government's changing information needs, have intensified efforts in recent years to investigate German firms illegally," Even said.
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 Jul 21, 09, 15:17    #246
Russia: a new confrontation? A report by the Defence Committee of the UK Parliament

Alan Riley - An Economic and Market Analysis of the North European Pipeline Project
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 Jul 21, 09, 17:35    #247
We should concentrate on Desertec instead of new pipelines I say!
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 Jul 21, 09, 18:41    #248
Bratwurst Boy:
We should concentrate on Desertec instead of new pipelines I say!

Very nice - environmentally friendly, effective, North Africa's additional water supply, cheap and Russian-free. What else can you ask for? Go for it, Germany - good job :)
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 Jul 21, 09, 19:24    #249
Yeah...I have huge hopes!
It will take some years but all great things started with a vision, didn't they! And now that the german gov and the big guns from the industry got behind it it MUST work!!!
YAY
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 Jul 21, 09, 20:46    #250
Good luck to the Desertec project! This is the first time when I agree with Bratwurst Boy.
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 Aug 1, 09, 00:03    #251
Please join Facebook groups opposing Nord Stream pipeline:

Stop Nordstream!
Rename Nord Stream Pipeline after Molotov-Ribbentrop
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Edited by: TheOther  Aug 1, 09, 04:32    #252
Pohlatohlakas:
Rename Nord Stream Pipeline after Molotov-Ribbentrop

2009 is not 1939, in case you haven't noticed.
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 Aug 7, 09, 18:21    #253
That facebook group is for sore losers. My posts always got deleted by the mod simply because it did not fit his/her "agenda" .. Viva freedom of speech !!!!
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Edited by: Bratwurst Boy  Aug 7, 09, 18:41    #254
I've read the facebook comments....what crap!
Nobody reading that will believe you really care for the marine life of the baltic!
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 Aug 8, 09, 02:04    #255
TheOther

The foreign policy of the Putins FSB state is still expansionist and imperialistic. 2009 is more similar to 1939 than you like to acknowledge.
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 Aug 8, 09, 02:13    #256
Pohlatohlakas:
2009 is more similar to 1939 than you like to acknowledge

To imply that a simple business deal is comparable to the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact is nonsense, IMHO. We are talking about the delivery of oil, not about a military attack on Poland.
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 Aug 8, 09, 02:17    #257
Baltic marine ecosystem is a matter of great concern, but is not the only one! Security issues are very important, too! And economical aspects should also not be disregarded(fishery, sea transport, tourism etc.).
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 Aug 8, 09, 02:23    #258
Pohlatohlakas:
Baltic marine ecosystem is a matter of great concern

All valid arguments, but they have nothing to do with the infamous Molotov-Ribbentrop pact. It's not comparable.
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 Aug 8, 09, 10:06    #259
Nathan:
Very nice - environmentally friendly, North Africa's additional water supply, and Russian-free. What else can you ask for? Go for it, Germany - good job :)

Fixed.

And, exotic life-forms be damned, imo. Would anyone here complain about the extinction of mosquitoes, Rachel Carson and PETA* excluded? Now consider that other obscure species, while far less annoying, are also quite useless in regards to the economy and the betterment of human lives.
The only marine life of the Baltic that I particularly care for, is the kind that can be fished en masse. And maybe some dolphins.
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 Aug 25, 09, 21:40    #260
Nord Stream is much more than just an environmental problem. It's a big geopolitical game with a multitude of undesirable consequences (political, economical, social, environmental etc.)
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 Jan 30, 10, 22:13    #261
Just an update, construction has started.
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 Sep 22, 10, 00:43    #262
Merged thread:
POLISH CONCERNS OVER NORD STREAM GAS PIPELINE

Something I found online:

"Poland has for several years planned a liquefied natural gas terminal in Swinoujscie, near the border with Germany in northwestern Poland, scheduled for completion in mid-2014. With an initial capacity to deliver 5 billion cubic meters of gas a year, it will be able to meet about one third of Poland’s current annual gas consumption, and will be an alternative to Russian gas supplies through existing pipelines on the ground."

Is this legal what Russia and Germany are doing? Are they conspiring to block entry into the future Swinoujscie gas terminal?
Discuss as I'd like to hear peoples opinions on this matter.

http://blogs.wsj.com/new-europe/2010/09/21/putin-confident-in-nord-str eam-despite-polish-concerns/
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 Sep 22, 10, 09:39    #263
Thanks for the link....

They showed the start of the building in the german news...it goes really quick...
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 Sep 22, 10, 17:53    #264
Nobody is answering my question. I need experts here who have an opinion.


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